Short and sweet title says it all, and here’s why:
(This is in US dollars, adjust to your local pricing)
Premium: 5$ per month gets you
1. A retainer, which costs $1 a month
2. And extra saddle bag, which is basically a fraction of a retainers inventory without features on the go, so about 10/15 cents a month
3. Organize sadlebags and retainers, this should not cost money to do. It’s free.
4. 10 kupo nuts storage. I’m not dumb, 10 or more should have been the default and not the premium even in a world where this is a good deal. (Let’s call it free then)
5. 2x Kupo nuts. I have no calculations for these, but since mog coins do the same thing I’ll use their technical value and say it’s about 20 cents per IF YOU USE THEM EVERY DAY, which let’s assume you don’t (since if this goes through there will be months you don’t) and also put a huge DISCLAIMER on that price that the Mog Coins are discussed below. So for now, 8 x 20 cents = 1.60
Already it’s a rip off with a product worth 2.75 cents per month being sold for less than double that.
Now let’s add in why Mog coins are a joke:
So far, all we know they do is allow you to buy and sell from the market board and adjust prices They don’t let you send out retainers remotely, they don’t allow you to do anything else. Just that. Meaning, it’s not even worth the 20 cents per they are worth (coming from 1USD divided by 5 at min price) for something you can just wait to get home to do for free.
The premium service is a rip off, and is technically only worth 1.15 cents. Don’t let people fall for it.
This is not paying for servers or anything to keep the app up as far as I’m aware, and if they really wanted this money so bad to keep servers running they’d just sell me more carbuncle gear (because Yoshi P knows I’d buy it).
Yes, I know there’s already a thread on the app itself but I feel one needed to be made about the prices. Hope anybody finds this helpful.
EDIT: I get a lot of people are saying that my idea for how much the nuts are and how much retainers are. My final price was based off of a month where a person DOES NOT SPEND A NUT (the worst case scenario, if you would). However, if you take advantage of all of the features it will definitely be worth more to you. I'm mostly taking how I believe it would be seeing as I don't see people logging in daily to use features or even using them forever.
As for the saddle bag and retainer, first off my numbers were wrong and I was tired last night. it was 2 dollars for a retainer, I apologize.
However, another person below mentioned that a retainer is 6 tabs of inventory and a saddlebag is 2, therefore is about 1/3 of the price and not the about 1/4 or lower I provided. This is false. I was entirely basing the retainer vs saddlebag as a retainer being with features included (such as ventures, marketboard sales, etc) vs a carrying bag that gives you a couple more tabs of inventory. Without the features I consider a saddlebag about half as valuable, so $1 at most. And then the value of that would then be a third of what its worth, (I didn't want to take it that low on my original post above, but I'd pay personally a dollar at most if it gave me more space than a 2 tab saddlebag.)
My adjusted final price of how I feel it's worth would still be about $3.50 given prices and more loose definitions on prices of the mogcoins. I personally think that it still is not worth it especially given the state of the app currently and the overall value of the options given and how some of these features should have been included at the base free price given the fact that other apps (Warframe and WoW) allow similar features without paying.
The companion app premium and the mogcoins are bad deals
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08-20-2018, 05:11 PMLauraAdalenaThe companion app premium and the mogcoins are bad deals
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08-20-2018, 05:31 PMHakaseNyanIs a retainer really included? Also, retainers are $2 a month last I remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraAdalena
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08-20-2018, 05:36 PMDrWho2010
the ability to recruit another retainer is part of the premium plan yes. you can go over the max amount of retainers by subbing to the premium plan.
i always sub to the view of if you don't need it don't get it. I don't need this app so I'm not going to get it. simple. don't need to whine about it either. i manage just fine with my 4 extra retainers and my 2 free ones. -
08-20-2018, 05:36 PMIscah
I don't really have an opinion on the premium app being good or bad (I won't be using it myself, but good luck to those who want it), but it seems that you're deliberately driving down the estimated value of each piece because you're not happy with it.
If a retainer (5 tabs of item storage) is $1 per month, a saddlebag (2 tabs) could be considered to be worth 40c.
I expect the app is targeted at people who will use those Kupo Nuts each day (or at least frequently enough that they won't overflow the storage limit). The free version gets one nut anyway, so the maximum premium value is one per day = 20c x 30 = $6.
The 10-nut limit doesn't have a placeable value but it does mean you can use ten in one session instead of spending smaller amounts more frequently.
So by that logic, the value per month is actually $7.40 for a $5 payment, plus the other 'free' features you listed.
(Edit to add: alternately, if $2 is the correct USD rate for a retainer, that makes it worth $8.80. Alternately for $5 of value, the nuts cost less than 8c each. OR with nuts valued at 20c, you could miss 12 (at $7.40) or 18 nuts and still break even on the subscription price.)
Personally I agree that it doesn't seem worthwhile to pay for the transactions when you can do it for free at home, but for people who are willing to do that, it seem that the app subscription pays for itself. -
08-20-2018, 05:39 PMLuna-MIn premium plan, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakaseNyan
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08-20-2018, 05:42 PMLuna-MThe app, I think is targeted towards people like myself, hardcore crafters that really need a 10th retainer and saddlebag. I won't use any coins and the kupo nuts is to limited to get anything done. Even when capped at 10 it won't really cut it for me if I need to relist or price adjust 30-40 items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
We don't need to turn this into another wherever it's P2W debate (we have 100s of pages of that already, use search) and i been pretty vocal where i stand on that. -
08-20-2018, 05:54 PMIscahDon't worry, I wasn't at all intending it that way. My point was more to Laura, that for calculating the (maximum potential) value of the app, you do need to work from the maximum amount of nuts received, not just "what people may or may not really get because they'll go over the limit sometimes".Quote:
Originally Posted by Luna-M
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08-20-2018, 05:59 PMKurandoAlthough the app does need a lot of work, I'm sure players can decide themselves if the premium option is worth the cost or not. Would I get more from subbing to this than just paying for a single extra retainer? Yes I would so I honestly would consider going for this option but to each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraAdalena
The opinion on the JP side of things is that they are actually looking forward to the premium option. Fancy that eh. -
08-20-2018, 06:22 PMTheodric
The app has left a rather bad taste in my mouth and it makes me worry about the future direction of not only the game itself but Square Enix as a whole. I've been happy to throw money at this game for various cosmetic features in the past. I'm one of those guys who bought the Shiva and Odin statues not for the statues themselves but the emotes that came with them. Yet I refuse to purchase the app, even though I could easily afford to. I'll be keeping a close eye on it and similar offerings as the developers have already stated that the currencies tied to the app will be used for other things in the future. Which brings us to the classic 'slippery slope' argument.
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08-20-2018, 07:58 PMBeckett
Are you really surprised? This is the company that charges $5 for limited use furnishings and $30 for mounts.
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08-20-2018, 10:40 PMManuelBravo
Do people even realize that the app is optional content and the only reason they do extra space and extra retainer above the limit is do to soo many request being made? I mean the FREE version pretty much does the functions, people are just paying for the extra retainer, space, and limit on nuts. IF propel don;t like it just don't get it and stop ruining it for those of us that do want it -.-. When you think about it how is it really any different from any other app that charges for gems, coins, ect. IF anything SE should have released the premium option same day lol.
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08-20-2018, 10:44 PMBillyKaplanYou're already paying a hefty sub to play the game in the first place, and these are all things that people constantly ask SE for. We're constantly told "sorry, we can't do it" and excuse it with server limitations or anything, but suddenly they can do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
The inventory sorting is also a painful point. People have been begging for better inventory management options for literally years, and suddenly they can do it in the app. The problem isn't the framework, it's how it's currently implemented in the game, and they can only be bothered to do it for the app instead of the actual game. the illusion of "optional" kind of breaks when you realize it holds one of the biggest QoL requests in the history of the game.
This app is a testament to SE's priorities and how they're managed, and people have every right if not an obligation to be concerned by it. -
08-20-2018, 11:13 PMRiardon
The app is horrible. It's a cheap excuse to sell another premium plan on of the existing ones.
They could give the extra retainer on Mog Station same with saddlebag.
But they won't seem as a "free bonus gift" along with a crap made app.
So they kept those and bundled them with the app to sweeten it.
The app itself it's just lame.
The chat function is only for the app users and not a real in-game chat where you could find your online friends.
We needed an extra chat app because we don't have enough already on Android and iOS.
No ability to change characters in app and no ability to send retainers for ventures which would be the most useful thing I could do when I'm not in game.
The inventory view is just useless. Watch freely but don't touch policy.
The only 2 Kupo Nuts allowed drives me well... Nuts.
The app is also very slow.
All in all the app was excuse to sell extra premium plans at a higher price outside of the Mog Station. -
08-21-2018, 12:05 AMCrystalRainbow
I haven't even installed it for the extra teleport.
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08-21-2018, 06:37 AMLauraAdalenaYour argument would be better if Warframe, a free game, and WoW, a paid game, both didn't do the app features better and offered some of these features for free without asking for a premium or microtransactions. They are saying we can't do half of these things that are minor and don't really matter all that much but limit how friendly to the user the app is. They don't allow you to organize retainers, they don't allow you to organize your saddle bag, which means your limited to your own inventory. Which should not be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
As for the limit on nuts, it still should not be 2 for the free version even if that model was acceptable. 2 is ridiculously limited with what you can do with. Especially given you get one per day.
Also, is your enjoyment of a feature really limited to what other people are saying? "stop ruining it for those of us that do want it" does that mean we are going in and messing with your app? I don't think so, if we really bother you that much ignore us. But we have the right to say what we think and how we feel on the payments.
That being said, there are a few other things that I thought about since last night I'd like to add. Even if I personally would like the payment, the app isn't worth the money. The User Interface isn't communicated well, it's buggy with LS with commas separating into two different LS on the app, currently from what I've seen prices don't always render right for the sales of items on the MB, and on top of that the app limits you to one character meaning you can't even use it for multiple characters, so if you do sales with more than one character for any reason you have to get a completely new device and new app for that character specifically.
PS: on the subject of the 2 dollars I'm editing my post to mention that. -
02-26-2019, 06:59 PMMapleine
The app is ick, but don't try to directly compare XIV and WoW for value. WoW has had one robe model for 14 years, it has no real events, it has no real side content or even passable crafting. It has the most meager asset work I've ever seen in 20 years of the genre. You get nothing when you pay for that game outside of the core gameplay and that has been in the sewer ever since Wrath ended.
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02-26-2019, 08:26 PMAlaelI was initially hyped about the app but the reality is that its not that useful, The problem is that you cant write from the APP to in game friends that's is the biggest downfall, secondly the value proposition is out of balance the app is not worth 5€ a month, Was 2, 2.50€ a month maybe?`but 5€ nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by LauraAdalena