Eureka Pagos: Stormblood's Featured Content-- Not Fun.

• Efficient experience grind: set-up a 1 tank 1 healer 6 DPS party within 2 levels of each other and camp enemies 5+ levels higher thank you. OK

PROBLEM #1: Development team did not give us the level sync feature to create groups without hassle.

• Great, you got this amazing group that won't go AFK and actually make it to chain #30. Let us reset your chain here for NO reason at all!

PROBLEM #2: Development team chose arbitrary and unnecessary "resets". Efficient and successful chaining groups should be rewarded by being allowed to chain as high as they possibly can.

• Please go out and explore the wonderful - yet dangerous - zone of Pagos! OK

PROBLEM #3: Aetheryte teleportation crystals are around 3 levels higher than they should be to acquire them. This is not Final Fantasy XI-- I should not have to spent 30+ minutes finding a group adequate to my level (because of no level sync) to only spend another 10-15 minutes getting to camp across the map because people are bad at staying alive. Furthermore, setting up camp and having to run across the map to either barely make the NM FATE or not make it because of early pulls/quick NM burn gets annoying QUICK.

• Use your Eureka Magia Board to aid your time here! OK

PROBLEM: This "set and forget" mechanic feels like an after thought, especially since nothing is added or changed from Anemos to Pagos. To be very blunt, this entire "elemental level" gimmick could be erased from Eureka and we still would have the crystal grind, kettle grind both of which are dependent on RNG luck. It's another arbitrary system that is here to make the grind to level 70 feel... irrelevant?

TLDR: annoying and inconvenient =/= fun

Does the development team have a solid and clear vision for Eureka? This is a key feature advertised for Stormblood and it feels like Anemos and Pagos are trying to being Diadem 3.0 and 4.0 with absolutely no innovation.

Are developers listening to NA data center players? I urge them to enter Eureka on these servers and see that no one is doing this content because it's enjoyable. Everyone just wants their iconic relic weapon ASAP to get out and never enter again.

Did absolutely no one say this was not enjoyable in their internal testing?

Eureka, specifically PAGOS, adds nothing new to FFXIV.

farming lights is a huge grind xD You would think it will get easier once you hit 35 but nope. Good luck getting a 2nd pagos relic xD

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Originally Posted by Oriens

Did absolutely no one say this was not enjoyable in their internal testing?

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I do wonder if it has actually been tested honestly.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

I do wonder if it has actually been tested honestly.

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I have my doubts seeing how you need millions of EXP going from 20 to 35 yet none of the mobs scale even remotely high enough to compensate. The fact we didn't even get a party sync option yet they spent all their time on a stupid bunny mechanic no one touches speaks to the sheer lack of effort put into Eureka. Some people speculate they didn't even try with Pagos knowing WoW's expansion would slaughter their sub count regardless. I almost believe it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I have my doubts seeing how you need millions of EXP going from 20 to 35 yet none of the mobs scale even remotely high enough to compensate. The fact we didn't even get a party sync option yet they spent all their time on a stupid bunny mechanic no one touches speaks to the sheer lack of effort put into Eureka. Some people speculate they didn't even try with Pagos knowing WoW's expansion would slaughter their sub count regardless. I almost believe it.

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This seems to be angering the core player base the most though, so it almost seems like they're trying to drive away their players....

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Originally Posted by Oriens

because people are bad at staying alive.

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Yea, I agree with most of what you said but let's stop blaming the players for the horrible design of this zone. These monsters are specifically set up to screw the player over as much as possible. Anemos was pretty bad. Pagos takes it to a masochistic extreme.

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Originally Posted by Oriens

Did absolutely no one say this was not enjoyable in their internal testing?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...de_for_eureka/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._yoships_walk/

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Try to take them serious for once. If you do, it makes a whole lot of sense why Pagos turned out the way it did. And they probably think that way because a whole lot of people were doing it regardless of what they thought about the content. If you further assume that they truly have some people in the team that genuinely like Eureka, there's also a danger of Echo Chamber syndrome.

Hence why I encourage people to stop doing it if they don't like it. Quite likely nothing substantial is gonna change if you don't.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Hence why I encourage people to stop doing it if they don't like it. Quite likely nothing substantial is gonna change if you don't.

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It won't change even if they do. I mean, come on, Feast. 9 seasons. Rival Wings...they did one change and just ignored it. And if the JP people do it, all of our not doing it doesn't matter.

It's kind of depressing.

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Originally Posted by Oriens

Are developers listening to NA data center players? I urge them to enter Eureka on these servers and see that no one is doing this content because it's enjoyable. Everyone just wants their iconic relic weapon ASAP to get out and never enter again.

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This is the problem. People complain and complain yet they still play it till the end and get all the goodies. STOP PLAYING IT. Then the devs will actually see there is something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

This is the problem. People complain and complain yet they still play it till the end and get all the goodies. STOP PLAYING IT. Then the devs will actually see there is something wrong.

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That's doubtful. Even if the number of subscriptions is declining there's been a steady rise in the number of optional items/services that will no doubt compensate. It makes me wonder how much of it is the fault of the developers and how much can be attributed to Square Enix's decisions at a higher level.

-Change the bunny FATE such that everyone participating has a chance to get a lucky carrot instead of just one.
-Increase the drop% of the special coffers that drop crafting materials and special items (Hakutaku Eyes)
-Increase drop rate on special gear (e.g. Cassie Earring) from 1 person per FATE to simple 5% global drop rate to anyone who gets a Gold rating in the NM battle.
-Daily quests that give large chunks of EXP
-Reduce the EXP penalty of dying and returning without a Raise from 30% to 5%. Losing 3 hours of grinding (400k exp) is a pain.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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If you further assume that they truly have some people in the team that genuinely like Eureka, there's also a danger of Echo Chamber syndrome.

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Based on the YoshiP reddit translation a number of the employees do like Eureka so this could also turn into a "We are making content we like to play and you are only welcome if you want to follow along." SE should ask Blizzard how that worked out when they tried to take that tact.

lol so we're resorting to spamming the same subject by doing multiple threads? We can point the finger that the devs are tone deaf to us, but the NA community repeating the same subject multiple times really defeats the purpose.

def raise rewards - i've done snow queen plenty of times and no triple triad card.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

lol so we're resorting to spamming the same subject by doing multiple threads? We can point the finger that the devs are tone deaf to us, but the NA community repeating the same subject multiple times really defeats the purpose.

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Perhaps a community rep should make a Pagos feedback megathread, but that would require a community rep to

1) Be in the forums

2) Recognize there is an issue.

Neither of those is going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Perhaps a community rep should make a Pagos feedback megathread, but that would require a community rep to

1) Be in the forums

2) Recognize there is an issue.

Neither of those is going to happen.

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And in the next QA (if tghere is one) and this subject is brought up, it'll be dismissed or Yoshi will just do one of his usual reactions.

And we know at least one of those will happen.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

lol so we're resorting to spamming the same subject by doing multiple threads? We can point the finger that the devs are tone deaf to us, but the NA community repeating the same subject multiple times really defeats the purpose.

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Resorting to? There were multiple Pagos threads day one, that's how things go here.

I kinda doubt that having a bunch of threads complaining about Pagos is going to cause those complaints to go unnoticed. Or at least any more unnoticed than they would be in a mega thread.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

And in the next QA (if tghere is one) and this subject is brought up, it'll be dismissed or Yoshi will just do one of his usual reactions.

And we know at least one of those will happen.

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It'd be nice to see them do a live QnA during the fanfest and have someone ask about these issues. "Are the NA/EU playerbases criticisms ever brought up in the board room?" and "Are you aware at just how many people are unsatisfied with the Eureka content, and are you listening to feedback to improve upon the player experience specifically?"

I'm just going to put these slides here.

https://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/im...753/3steps.jpg

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◆FINAL FANTASY XIV Hotfixes (Aug. 13, 2018)◆

■The following adjustment has been made.
・Lowered the HP of the monsters that appear in the F.A.T.E.s "Down the Rabbit Hole" and "Curiouser and Curiouser".
*Regarding "The Forbidden Land, Eureka Pagos", adjustments will continue to be implemented in gradual order, through next week and beyond

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

This is the problem. People complain and complain yet they still play it till the end and get all the goodies. STOP PLAYING IT. Then the devs will actually see there is something wrong.

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They should be listening to feedback regardless. There absolutely should be GMs in game watching shout chats in Pagos (very hateful and negative) and community reps taking feedback from their customers.
Don't be surprised when SE releases a piece of content in a content lull and people play it despite hating it. They want to play the game and they are playing the only thing that is new and "casual".

Besides, leaving content for dead changes nothing. See : Diadem, Lords of Verminion, Astralogos. None of these have been changed and they are dead as doornails and have been forever.

I've actually not seen them advertise Pagos. I subscribe to their FB page and all I get on my feed is Rathalos advertisements and recently Feast and the current event ads. I looked on their page and don't see anything about Eureka or Pagos. Perhaps they don't want a spotlight on it for a reason and know it has issues? Either way some communication would be nice. Like "hey we're working on it" at the very least.

Don't even think have my first relic weapon complete by level 35. still lack 260 crystals and 25 frosted crystals. Right now I'm 25% way to level 32. Think they need to give crystals also as rewards for finishing eureka challenge log or let us convert anemos crystals into pagos crystals.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

I've actually not seen them advertise Pagos. I subscribe to their FB page and all I get on my feed is Rathalos advertisements and recently Feast and the current event ads. I looked on their page and don't see anything about Eureka or Pagos. Perhaps they don't want a spotlight on it for a reason and know it has issues? Either way some communication would be nice. Like "hey we're working on it" at the very least.

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Taken directly from their store page:

• Level cap increased from 60 -> 70
• New jobs, including red mage
• New exploration with swimming and diving
• New areas to explore
• A new primal – Lakshmi
• New dungeons
• New High-level Raid “The Bend of Time – Omega”
• New alliance raid “Return to Ivalice”
• The Forbidden Land of Eureka
• New gear and crafting recipes
• A fourth residential district
• Expanded item inventory and changes to the battle system

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

They should be listening to feedback regardless. There absolutely should be GMs in game watching shout chats in Pagos (very hateful and negative) and community reps taking feedback from their customers.
Don't be surprised when SE releases a piece of content in a content lull and people play it despite hating it. They want to play the game and they are playing the only thing that is new and "casual".

Besides, leaving content for dead changes nothing. See : Diadem, Lords of Verminion, Astralogos. None of these have been changed and they are dead as doornails and have been forever.

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They did for Diadem though. They just failed twice. Everyone quit Diadem so badly that the devs noticed. They tried to fix it in response but obviously that didn't turn out well. As for LoV, I don't think they care about that themselves lol.

I am fairly frustrated with Pagos. While Anemos was just about as tedious the NM train, which is what they wanted players to stop doing, allowed for a good amount of downtime and socializing during your time there. Pagos requires an insane amount of grinding that has to be done with hours of nonstop combat without interruption. You also start Pagos as if you never spent any time in Anemos. Something as simple as allowing us to use mounts at the beginning would have been enough to give you some kind of reward for the time and effort you spent in Anemos, but as it is now you might as well have not even done Anemos for all you got from it.

I'm starting to question some of the players now. Can't find a party, can't form them, can't navigating the map or mob or keep the chain while chatting here and there. Plus you crying about death. Like man, what can you do? Levels ain't gonna help people who can't solo a single mob their own level. Don't ever play Daryl souls. We don't want players that will beg our game into easy mode like this one has become.

OK I had written out a constructive post and tried to be reasonable, but the forums/browser just swallowed it so here is the unreasonably rude version while I'm annoyed:


Everything about Pagos is designed to waste the players time and is hot garbage in an otherwise fun and great game I've been enjoying for years. Whether this is the devs injecting their own beliefs of what is fun, or some misguided attempt to appease a small faction of XI fans, this shit is boring and unrewarding. From xp curves, to party composition requirements for optimal/desired setups, to NM spawn rates, to bunny fates RNG chance to give nothing, absolutely nothing for your time, to lockboxes/bunnies giving undesirables, right down to map design. EVERYTHING is antiplayer here and it is not fun. I'm fine with long grinds for relic, I've done them before multiple times. I'm fine with long xp grinds to level, I used to play Korean pvp mmos where 14 hour grinds for a week for one level was a thing. Never did I feel like those things were actively working against me. Pagos does.



You, SE, are doing it wrong.