I'm curious, as a person who played MH many years ago on the PSP (freedom unite 2 I think), I have some fond memories of hunt grinding Rathalos just to make that long sword and armor set. So I was stoked about the cross-over but even before it's launch when I saw the armor design for the FF14 Rathalos inspired armor set, well you could guess my disappointment. I'm not going to point out what MHW got, as that doesn't really help matters much, but are they maybe at least planning on a future update to I don't know change the armor sets appearance into that of the actual Rathalos armor?
Maybe the lead costume designer was on summer vacation and couldn't be reached to do it? I'd just like some insight into the design choice for a reskin/recolor of a existing armor set. Did Square lose a bit with Capcom or something? :)
What was the design reason behind the Rathalos Armor Set?
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08-09-2018, 12:24 AMSelvokazWhat was the design reason behind the Rathalos Armor Set?
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08-09-2018, 12:33 AMVaerhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4731969 has some extra stuff about how they went about making the collab.Quote:
As for the rewards, we considered simply reproducing the Rathalos gear from the Monster Hunter series; however, we challenged ourselves to design the gear to match how the crafters of Hydaelyn would have, if they used the same materials. We also had Fujioka supervise our design. There are also undyeable and dyeable versions of the gear.
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08-09-2018, 01:19 AMAurturia
I was really hoping for something more savage like most of the gear in monster hunter. I can see some of the rathalos inspiration but at the same time it looks similar to a lot of the other gear already in game, or at least not different enough.
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08-09-2018, 03:18 AMWyssahtynI guess crafters on Hydaelyn can't be bothered to make armor that actually looks protective.Quote:
As for the rewards, we considered simply reproducing the Rathalos gear from the Monster Hunter series; however, we challenged ourselves to design the gear to match how the crafters of Hydaelyn would have, if they used the same materials. We also had Fujioka supervise our design. There are also undyeable and dyeable versions of the gear.
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08-09-2018, 03:28 AMSelvokazFinal Fashion statement is the true Fantasy of this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn
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08-09-2018, 03:37 AMKnahli
Edit:
My original post below was a bit inaccurate as Endeavor rightly pointed out!
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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
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Not a big fan of most Monster Hunter sets myself but I admit I was a little underwhelmed with their interpretation of it, especially since they had tried to get breakable parts into the game but didn't have the time to - and considering the effort the MHW team had to put in on their side - a little part of me wondered if the effort was mutual. Perhaps my ignorance about all that's involved is making me unfair though. -
08-09-2018, 03:46 AMspf1200
Are you saying you don't like the recolored Super Ranger (or what ever they are called) gear (at least on female characters)? Strange...
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08-09-2018, 03:59 AMSelvokazQuote:
Originally Posted by spf1200
Heavensward No, I'd never do that. XD Just inquiring if we should pray to Hydaelyn that we get a third option in the future where we can get the actual Rathalos set, which looks so much better than what we got. -
08-09-2018, 04:13 AMKnahliQuote:
Originally Posted by Selvokaz
I'll be perfectly honest and say that hoping they'll revisit the set in anything other than a future crossover event is exceedingly idealistic thinking, unfortunately. I'm very sorry!
As I recall from the Liveletter, their reasoning behind the existing design was determined by how Eorzean/Hydaelyn forgers would choose to design the gear had they encountered such materials. So for all intents and purposes, they created it just as they wanted. -
08-09-2018, 04:16 AMTsalmaveth
I mean... Eorzean/Hydaelyn forgers just LOVE their... wyvern scale... PANTIES.
Screw the female gender-locked set. -
08-09-2018, 04:52 AMMyvarHonestly, there are already enough of them in this game. If people wanted to wear them with this set, then they could choose from those. Instead, we miss out on some decent legwear for this set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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08-09-2018, 04:56 AMCanadaneSounds like the designers achieved their goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurturia
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08-09-2018, 05:02 AMLineageRazorDear lord, would THOSE be uncomfortable when they ride up! D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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08-09-2018, 05:27 AMTsalmaveth
No really. Have people LOOKED at the female set? I can live, grudgingly, with the lack of the nice coat. FINE. Not happy, but FINE.
I'm actually rather offended with the panties. They're straight up panties.
https://imgur.com/a/zxjbQFd
That's not even like... a skirt or shorts or... yeah no. Wyvern... scale... panties.
I might use PARTS of this set for a galmour. I despise 'frilly' 'cute' 'revealing' outfits for the most part. I don't do the 'doll' thing. So the boots and the gloves have my interest. But wyvern scale panties just... yeah no. All kinds of 'wtf mate?' -
08-09-2018, 05:28 AMThunderGodThor
I'm not keen on the male set myself. I was hoping for something a bit more on the wild side. At least the augmented torso would look okay in a battlemage glam, I suppose. Overall, very disappointing.
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08-09-2018, 05:54 AMZojhaI suppose we should be glad that Eorzean smiths are at least somewhat able to keep their aesthetic preferences in check when it comes to metal, or else the chastity belt would end up being the most common leg "armor" 'round these parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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08-09-2018, 06:38 AMBourne_EndeavorActually, breakable parts were planned from the start but they couldn't get approval under the Teen rating. They either needed to severely tone it down or have a M rating for one piece of content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knahli
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08-09-2018, 06:59 AMFawkesI would assume the lead designer is the one responsible, with all the incredibly samey gear we get. Like they just made a sorta rathalos texture for the tank coat model that they love so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selvokaz
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08-09-2018, 07:19 AMRiyahArp
I don't particularly mind the armor, however I am not a fan of Monster Hunter and the bulky aesthetic their armors have is unappealing to me anyways.
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08-09-2018, 09:20 AMKageTokageI find that...odd considering that MH has maintained its T rating despite being bloodier and having more graphic violence, which includes being able to remove parts (Though it's generally limited to tails, horns, and other unimportant parts that wouldn't impede the monsters very much).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
I'd assume it's because that coupled with the existing things that got XIV its T rating would've pushed it over the edge? -
08-09-2018, 09:26 AMKurando
I would hope that considering the event is going to be permanent that new/more gear will be added in the future. Although extra trials would be cool as well l I just don't see the armour at the moment being enough for what it's worth. I mean both the FFXIII and Yo-Kai events offered a variety of weapons (whether they look good or not) but at least the glamour stuff was more than a couple sets of armour.
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08-09-2018, 09:47 AMBerethosI'd say that's likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
MHW is T for Blood, Mild Language, Use of Alcohol, and Violence.
FFXIV is T for Alcohol Reference, Animated Blood, Language (so that right there bumps it up a bit on the scale in comparison), Suggestive Themes (another one that tends to cause rating boards to bump higher), and Violence.
Add in a dismemberment of a body part where you can actually see the bone, muscle, connective tissue, etc., would probably bump up the Animated Blood to Blood and Gore (which is for the depiction of the mutilation of body parts), which could be enough to take it from T to M on top of everything else.
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08-09-2018, 09:57 AMRocketteMaybe I'm remembering this wrong but didn't a main story character GET HIS ARM CUT OFF?Quote:
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08-09-2018, 10:00 AMFawkes
I took it to mean that it would need to be re-rated, but not necessarily that the rating would have gone up to an M. Just that the ratings committee would have to look at it before they could add it. And also that they can only get the game rated when they have a release like an expansion, so they weren't able to do so for the crossover.
I've never really thought about it before but I guess it makes sense, otherwise games could get rated as E and then add more mature stuff in as an update to cheat the rating system. -
08-09-2018, 10:04 AMKnahliOhhhh, that’s right. I beg your pardon then, I misremembered the reasoning. I’ll edit my initial post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
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08-09-2018, 10:19 AMDracotheDragoni think not only this but it would also need regional changes due to some countries having blood and gore removed from some instances, i remember the german version of some games changing people into robots to prevent blood from games on the ps1, and i know some versions of games have no blood at all, and yet hold a M or 18 game rating, so i think rather then have the messy edit for every country its a lot safer to just have the tail be 'broken' if they were able to get the damage system in for ifrit in ARR's inception then mayhaps we would of had it overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berethos
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08-09-2018, 10:21 AMBerethosThey sure did, and it is the kind of thing that could lead to the ultimately subjective group at the ESRB to consider it to have less of an impact on the rating, since it didn't really have any blood to it or show the wound on either side (same with the character that got sliced just before - it was violent, but obscured violence, and those elements end up tying into their decision).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockette
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08-09-2018, 12:05 PMNihility
to me they look a lot like the real rathalos armor with all the monster-y bits removed for whatever reason.
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08-09-2018, 12:35 PMNestamaWhich was after he bisected (is this the right word?) a Lalafell. Of course, the deed was heavily implied and not shown. If they did show it, that scene alone would push FFXIV into M territory (or MA15+ in Australia. Maybe R18+ since it was a Lalafell and they do tend to appear childlike).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockette
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08-09-2018, 03:52 PMEloah
I can describe the male Rathalos armor in two words...
BUTT WINGS
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08-09-2018, 06:36 PMMarxamI guess that explains the belly hole in the female drg ARR relic set. Still a shame that they didn't just put the Rathalos armor in. Sometimes the obvious answer isn't so obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn
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08-11-2018, 11:27 AMElkanahIt shows how weak the craftsmanship guilds are when it comes to building armor, similar to monster hunter, where it's meant to be intimidating for the most part, outside of a few select sets here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn
Meanwhile, Monster hunter world gets Estinien Armor, essentially ALL FFXIV related and not a "here's a somewhat idea of FFXIV armor that could be in game". It's Estinien's Dragoon armor in full. And a Wyvern. Most XI players are loling.