People selling UWU clears through PF

Has anybody noticed this recently? People have been selling UWU clears, and they are using PFs to advertise it, linking a discord in their comment.

People have found that when they join the discord, they are asking for IRL money for these clears. I think it's disgusting, and I am wondering how exactly FFXIV GMs could crack down on this.
For example, you couldn't just ban/mute people who post discords in their PF and chatlogs, since many people use discords in the FFXIV community.

Would it be up to us then? Would we have to start recording videos (so it records the chat, since they could just verbally say what their selling conditions are, to avoid getting incriminating screenshots)?

Would GMs even accept these videos? Someone could place an audio file over a video and use it to get people falsely banned. And this is what the player who is selling the clears could claim.
Tricky business.

A lot of people have been calling for active GMs, who play the game and ban obvious bots in real-time. We might need some of these types to investigate these sellers by pretending to be one of the players to collect evidence.

Yes, I've noticed. The only options I've got is to ignore them, avoid the roulette section of the PF and BL them whenever I get the chance. The thing I hear is that the GMs can't accept any evidence that doesn't take place within the game itself.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...uns-and-Clears
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-party-finder

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Originally Posted by Kinetic-duet

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...uns-and-Clears
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-party-finder

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Ah sorry, I did a quick google before I made the thread and couldn't find any posts about this besides reddit ones. My bad for spamming the forums with another thread :P

Does it really matter ?

If they want to spend their money into those clear... well...
Won't change anything for us.

While it is RMT when going by definition, it isn't a form of RMT that actually has an effect on the economy or gameplay experience of the majority unlike gil sellers and bots flooding market boards.

I mean lets be honest, they offer you pretty much a stress-free carry in the hardest content available to get you your shiny weapon - but they naturally seek compensation for it, which is reasonable since while they sell the clear it is still tough to do.

In my eyes, it really isn't a thing that needs to be hunted down since the market is abyssmal as is and really doesn't have an effect on 98% of the players other than triggering them.

Today on the Chaos Data Center, we had 6 of these types of advertisers selling all content.


Also we had 9 FC's with 89 Lalafells in each all BLM and WHM obviously up to no good. So weather people are buying Gil to pay for clears or using real money to save the inbetween shenanigans, this wont ever stop it will get worse and worse.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Today on the Chaos Data Center, we had 6 of these types of advertisers selling all content.


Also we had 9 FC's with 89 Lalafells in each all BLM and WHM obviously up to no good. So weather people are buying Gil to pay for clears or using real money to save the inbetween shenanigans, this wont ever stop it will get worse and worse.

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It is getting worse indeed. Seeing a lot of advertisements in PF lately and also RMT shouts in cities seem to get worse each day.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

In my eyes, it really isn't a thing that needs to be hunted down since the market is abyssmal as is and really doesn't have an effect on 98% of the players other than triggering them.

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True. In fact, SE should get in on the market and just offer the clear plus weapon on the mog station.

I mean, if it's not an issue, it's not an issue, no? And if SE is the one offering it, you won't run risk of getting scammed, so it comes with the benefit of extra security.

"If you're good at something, never do it for free."

There's something to be said about making some cash on the side selling this content. There's also something to be said about it devaluing the achievement of beating the fight.

Personally speaking, I don't agree with the practice at all. This is why I won't ever tender their services, nor offer any such service myself.

But I can't fault people trying to profit off of what they're good at.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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How to make a chicken out of a feather 101.

If a market is as small as this one and the number of ppl buying this is even a fraction of actual clearers which is a tiny fraction ofthe community to begin with it holds no merit to hunt it down.

What you suggest is to turn an abyssmal and easily ignorable market into public access, an official one at that - a way to cause massive PR damage to SE directly by spoiling it on a much larger scale than private clear sellers and destroying the trust of raiders along with it.

In short your suggestion is actually making it an issue, not streamlining it and not fixing the possibility of sellers offering it cheaper. Well thought.

What value to clear this fight? This community doesn't even care about it's top end players and would rather chase them away.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

What you suggest is to turn an abyssmal and easily ignorable market into public access, an official one at that - a way to cause massive PR damage to SE directly by spoiling it on a much larger scale than private clear sellers and destroying the trust of raiders along with it.

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So I just want to casually mention there have been a couple times this expac where, when I open the PF, the whole front page was covered in that.

I see a ton more advertisements for this crap than I see fate, hunt, and map parties combined. I think the only thing that's more common than the advertisements is the Savage parties. And even then that's 4-5 different versions.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I am wondering how exactly FFXIV GMs could crack down on this

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GMs don't deal with it unless the sellers openly say they sell for real money, and even then the GMs might not do anything. This type of activity is dealt with by the STF. If you think a party finder listing is breaking the ToS, report it to the GMs and/or the STF and include all relevant info. If it doesn't fall under GM jurisdicition, they'll send a report to the STF.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Does it really matter ?

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If selling runs for real money is allowed, then why not other goods or services? Party finder listings can be seen by several thousand people across the data center depending on when they are put up. If any ads for real money were allowed, the party finder would be unusable.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

While it is RMT when going by definition, it isn't a form of RMT that actually has an effect on the economy or gameplay experience of the majority unlike gil sellers and bots flooding market boards.

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You assume all groups exclusively sell for real money. When gil is accepted, where do you think it comes from?

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

You assume all groups exclusively sell for real money. When gil is accepted, where do you think it comes from?

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It's nice you cherrypick parts of posts without seeing the full context.

I don't assume anything, quite the opposite - I am well aware how this trade works, including how gil-paid runs work (which add the downside of both buyer, seller and participants having to be on the same server for gil exchange, hence why for ultimates and their slim demographic they consider real money trade & distribution to broaden the accessibility of their service).

What you fail to see is that the post was directly adressed to OP's specific case that involved RMT as the payment option and I explained how it isn't something to write home about since it is nigh impossible (and also negligible at that) to track down, with their proof policies increasing the difficulty of the process.

I care nothing of the ethics/morals behind selling clears but I am annoyed that it takes up PF space. It gets really bad when you have through scroll through at least 10 listings, potentially missing legit ones just because some players want to make cash on the side.

Either SE makes a clear edict that PF is not to be used for sales ads or they create an ingame board, complete with posting fee and weekly and level limit.

Either way, PF needs to be clutter free of this.