Gil sellers top the achievement list!!

Just check out the results for who has the 10,000 regional levequest achievements.

http://www.ffxivpro.com/achievement/657

This mind you would take 7-14 years to solo or 1 year if you did them every single day with 8 people never linking.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe completing a leve that you got as a link from someone else still counts towards your achievement totals. So if you had a static of 8 people, you could complete this in roughly 5 months. Less time depending if you had more people helping.

Mind you the time is if you never stopped playing, ever.

But yea, it's not that surprising when you consider RMT use bots to do leves over and over again to get the gil reward. It's something I've seen and reported on my server. However, I havn't seen that account active since payment started.

They're gil sellers for sure, just look at their names lol

even worse is i reported most of those listed on Selbina and SE didnt do a damn thing. the one Drtg Iovc would get kill shots while 7+ taru cnj/thm would just stand at the crystal to collect reward. They must not really give a shit about this game why would anyone allow such things to go unchecked. There is even people popping now w/ 4+ luminary tools ffs you would almost have to be cheating to accomplish that in such little time. And just last week after payment had already started i saw a group of 7 RMT tarus and 1 Hume spamming leves at Bald knoll they all dinged lvl 37 at the same exact time after the leve was completed. The GMs in this game are trash. SE doesnt care about customer service they obviously could care less if the game succeeds it would appear from there lack of action. In fact all mmos have piss poor i dont care customer service for the most part.

I see 1 legit player, the rest are all RMT lol. At least it gives SE a good "to ban" list XD

Very misleading title

topping the achievment list doesnt mean having a single achievment it would take others a while to get


topping the list would be those with the most done or most points(like me with my 1655)

Nobody in their right mind would buy gil at this point. They are storing up as much as they can for 2.0

If SE wants to really put the screws to them, they will collect info, reports, and complaints on them, but allow them to keep going until right before 2.0 is released. Then, right before all the new players come on board, ban all their accts and delete all their gil

Poor RMT, all that time and subscription fees spent for nothing.

It's what I would do.

China is attempting at accumulating gil that is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Nobody's 1 gil is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Gath laughs at their efforts.

Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

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Originally Posted by Gath

China is attempting at accumulating gil that is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Nobody's 1 gil is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Gath laughs at their efforts.

Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

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Truth of Forests

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Originally Posted by Gath

China is attempting at accumulating gill that is worth more than Gath's 1 gill.

Nobody's 1 gill is worth more than Gath's 1 gill.

Gath laughs at their efforts.

Gath's 1 gill is worth more than your 1 gill.

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http://www.mystina.ffxivmaps.com/Gaths%201%20gil.png

I've seen Oox Xoo on my server. Still an active RMT, reported tons of times for RMT and SE does nothing :/

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Originally Posted by Gath

China is attempting at accumulating gil that is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Nobody's 1 gil is worth more than Gath's 1 gil.

Gath laughs at their efforts.

Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

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I don't have 1 gil. Does that fact effect your gil powers like kryptonite effects superman.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

the one Drtg Iovc

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reported many times but still here ><

damn..I wonder when was the last time anyone on that list went outside.

Just pulling up one example...

Iiii Iiii on Rabanastre completed 5000 leves on October 30th and on November 18th had completed 10000 leves.
5000 leves per 19 days = 263 leves per day = 11 leves per hour

Which is one leve about every 5 minutes - generally a good completion time - non-stop for 19 days.

2nd example: Cheese Ice on Istory did the same thing in just 9 days. Think 2-3 minute leve completions 24/7. That's not human.

You'd think there would be an automatic bot-detection system for this sort of thing...

For comparison, this is a player who I can testify completed almost everything in the game legitimately. It takes a while.

Why would they ban them? It would leave like 500 ppl total playing the game.

Ahhhhhh! Money Meng, run away!!!

They can't ban them without proof and i doubt anyone is really buying gil right now.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

They can't ban them without proof and i doubt anyone is really buying gil right now.

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and thats the problem

yes they may be rmt, but chances are they arent doing any business right now, they are stocking up in mass

and that....is perfectly legal, and its why they cant get any dirt on them to ban them right now


and then you got alot of people who look suspicious but probly are legit, which is why you have to investigate and not just blindly ban, you want to try your best not to hit the innocent



people will never understand the reality of it, you cant just wave a finger and ban people because of suspicion, but people are what they are, they want what they want, and if you dont do what they want, your apperently doing nothing

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Just pulling up one example...

Iiii Iiii on Rabanastre completed 5000 leves on October 30th and on November 18th had completed 10000 leves.
5000 leves per 19 days = 263 leves per day = 11 leves per hour

Which is one leve about every 5 minutes - generally a good completion time - non-stop for 19 days.

2nd example: Cheese Ice on Istory did the same thing in just 9 days. Think 2-3 minute leve completions 24/7. That's not human.

You'd think there would be an automatic bot-detection system for this sort of thing...

For comparison, this is a player who I can testify completed almost everything in the game legitimately. It takes a while.

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That Iiiii guy sits at Cedarwood as 50CNJ with 7 Tarus just chilling with him at all times. Spawns leves, one shots, rinse and repeat. SE clearly does not care about bots/RMT at this point. I hope they do something eventually though.

Either people don't read or they are just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Either people don't read or they are just stupid.

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ill go with stupid

after all, people want bots/rmt banned without proof, even if they arent rmt/bots

if SE took peoples word for every report they get and just banned away, idiots would use it to get people they just dont like banned

its the equivilent of someone accusing someone else of a crime and the police just arresting without actualy looking into it at all purely because they can and cuz "well they said you did it"


i mean can you imagine

"Officer, that man stole something, arrest him immediately!"

"What did he steal, and from who"

"Well I cant tell you cuz i dont know, but hes doing it, im sure of that, so arrest him"

"Sorry we need proof, we can not do that based solely on your word"

"You arent doing your job you should be fired!"


thats basicaly how people here are acting

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Originally Posted by Volta

That Iiiii guy sits at Cedarwood as 50CNJ with 7 Tarus just chilling with him at all times. Spawns leves, one shots, rinse and repeat. SE clearly does not care about bots/RMT at this point. I hope they do something eventually though.

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I really don't think they can do anything based on leeching/let other leech tho.
but they certainly didn't "visibly" do anything to botting (I mean the program not the class XD)

but wait... why does OP want to compare with botters?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

ill go with stupid

after all, people want bots/rmt banned without proof, even if they arent rmt/bots

if SE took peoples word for every report they get and just banned away, idiots would use it to get people they just dont like banned

its the equivilent of someone accusing someone else of a crime and the police just arresting without actualy looking into it at all purely because they can and cuz "well they said you did it"


i mean can you imagine

"Officer, that man stole something, arrest him immediately!"

"What did he steal, and from who"

"Well I cant tell you cuz i dont know, but hes doing it, im sure of that, so arrest him"

"Sorry we need proof, we can not do that based solely on your word"

"You arent doing your job you should be fired!"


thats basicaly how people here are acting

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Alternatively, you can prove that something is not humanly possible without the aid of prohibited support programs...

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Alternatively, you can prove that something is not humanly possible without the aid of prohibited support programs...

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While this may be true, most people here are just on a witch hunt, and no one can deny that.

If they dont ban the person you report, they arent doing their jobs, the players feel like they are the judge jury and executioner and they ARE NOT, and thats what some people need to remember.


What you may think is happening, may not be, so my example holds very very true to that.


As far as the "not humanly possible" remark, thats actualy a way to prove things, so it would fall under the "how are they doing it" question that a GM may look at, if its not humanly possible, its proof. But most peoples reasons are "if i cant do it, no one can" when it comes to whats possible

awwwe yea! even rabanastre's bots are the best

Noob question, but what is an RMT? But on topic, no ones buying, so let them pay subs to fund 2.0 then ban them i week prior to launch. It's business.

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Originally Posted by Wizardface

Noob question, but what is an RMT?

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(RMT) Real Money Trade; when a player exchanges real money for ingame items or ingame currency (In this case, gil).

When are people going to stop picking on poor Gil Sellers?

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Originally Posted by Haru

Just check out the results for who has the 10,000 regional levequest achievements.

http://www.ffxivpro.com/achievement/657

This mind you would take 7-14 years to solo or 1 year if you did them every single day with 8 people never linking.

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within 3 seconds a saw a bunch of rmt on our server on that list

the funny thing is he had done 500 in may and 10000 in august in the same year, so about 10000 leves in 3 months

Amazing that people assume that names that look like gibberish must be bots or RMT. Really who cares. How are they negatively influencing the game? Oh yeah they aren't. So what's the problem again?

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Amazing that people assume that names that look like gibberish must be bots or RMT. Really who cares. How are they negatively influencing the game? Oh yeah they aren't. So what's the problem again?

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because when they sell mass amounts of items in wards it destroys supply/demand ratio which drops prices for people who depend on that to make gil.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Amazing that people assume that names that look like gibberish must be bots or RMT. Really who cares. How are they negatively influencing the game? Oh yeah they aren't. So what's the problem again?

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I completely fail to understand how you don't get how RMT activity ruins a game economy. I get that you may think that they can't have a huge impact on XIV right now because the game population isn't that high, but they still drive the price of everything down to a point where its no longer profitable for normal characters to farm and sell materials at normal prices for crafting.

More importantly, I can't believe SE has the audacity to look us all in the face and claim they are doing something about this sort of activity when they clearly have done no such thing since the game started. I have, as of yet, to hear of ANYONE getting banned for 3rd party tools or for RMT activity. Case in point, just about every other time I log on I see the platoon of tarus all named rgntt and kyleffttt running around in groups of 20-30 leve sharing for gil.

But I am sure those are all just totally legitimate players that happen to all be the same race and not care what their characters are named.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

and thats the problem

yes they may be rmt, but chances are they arent doing any business right now, they are stocking up in mass

and that....is perfectly legal, and its why they cant get any dirt on them to ban them right now


and then you got alot of people who look suspicious but probly are legit, which is why you have to investigate and not just blindly ban, you want to try your best not to hit the innocent



people will never understand the reality of it, you cant just wave a finger and ban people because of suspicion, but people are what they are, they want what they want, and if you dont do what they want, your apperently doing nothing

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Sure you can what more proof do you need than a bunch of poorly punched in key names(x8) and a person that never sleeps, never eats, and never takes a piss?

the fact is SE just doesn't give a flying tit, as long as there paying there 9.99( x8) a month.

http://www.ffxivpro.com/search/player?q=mrc+cosmos

I'm pretty sure there is another Mrc Cosmos in Gysahl. I saw him with his taru minions in Cedarwood.

Not only are they technically not doing anything illegal (untill they actually sell some gil) they are in fact simply utilizing a Power Level System that Yoshi himself fully endorsed.

Yes, they are doing it for the gil, not to "level a friend to play with" but they are using the same broken mechanic.

Perhaps the XVI version of RMT Measures is to make it so easy and so obvious that they can do mass bannings every few months after the markets have once again had a meltdown and the economy settles down for a little while...

...wait, that sounds a lot like the way it is in every MMO ever.

I sometimes think these Video Game Companies tolerate RMT to an extent because it does provide many subscriptions and they can show Subscription Growth Figures to the Board of Trustees every quarter (after the bannings of course), but I am a big Conspiracy Theorist and tend to believe things like that.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Sure you can what more proof do you need than a bunch of poorly punched in key names(x8) and a person that never sleeps, never eats, and never takes a piss?

the fact is SE just doesn't give a flying tit, as long as there paying there 9.99( x8) a month.

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once again, you contradict what im saying with what you are thinking

someone who plays 24/7 for days on end, actively, not stopping, is proof something is being done thats not humanly possible. thats where they can get them

but problem is there are also ways to easily hide it too.

what if they are only active with said botting 8 hours a day? is that reasonable? of course it is as far as the human factor goes. so then what proof can you give that they are botting just at a glance?

again, you cant prove anything off of "i think hers a bot therefore he should be banned" you need real proof, and its something players can not determine on their own! sure you can report, but just because you report it, doesnt mean its an actual bot or cheater. and thats where the problem with people lies when they demand punishment, they cant prove it, and demand it be done on their word alone

Lol...check out some of the ls's they happen to be in (if they are in a shell). Odd named shells AND everyone only rank 50 CNJ or THM...in all their shells...

That said: if they aren't selling money then so far, they are just taking advantage of the leve game mechanic system atm. Which is completely in line with the current game TOA/system. It sucks but it is what it is.

I don't see how people can think they are stock piling money without selling it though. The whole point of RMT'ing is to make a profit, and sitting around waiting for an MMO that failed hard to get better on the off chance that the price of selling gill will go up seems fairly contradictory to any sort of smart business model. In fact, paying for a ton of accounts monthly now without moving any of the gill your stock piling to make a profit sounds like they would in fact be LOSING money. But then again, I have no idea how these people really think, so who knows, maybe your right.

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I don't see how people can think they are stock piling money without selling it though. The whole point of RMT'ing is to make a profit, and sitting around waiting for an MMO that failed hard to get better on the off chance that the price of selling gill will go up seems fairly contradictory to any sort of smart business model. In fact, paying for a ton of accounts monthly now without moving any of the gill your stock piling to make a profit sounds like they would in fact be LOSING money. But then again, I have no idea how these people really think, so who knows, maybe your right.

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well, the thing is, how do we know if any of it is moving at all


maybe they are "trying to move it, but since nothing is selling, there is no way to prove they are actualy RMT at the moment

but they arent giving up cuz they know the direction the game is heading, and they will be prepared for when that happens(and thats when they will get caught)