Heaven on High duty finder error!

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Aw man.....

Someone let Raubahn into HoH

They just posted that HoH is inaccessible to fix a bug with Demi-Bahamut.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...”-%28Jul.-3%29

This is what they get for not having a PTR. In house testing is trash

Maybe the dev team needs to start worrying less about the mogstation and actually put effort into making their game work. Time to fire Yoshi P and crew

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

Maybe the dev team needs to start worrying less about the mogstation and actually put effort into making their game work. Time to fire Yoshi P and crew

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Yes because 1 bug is grounds for termination. You people need to chill.

People would be out of a job constantly if every mistake was grounds for termination.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

Maybe the dev team needs to start worrying less about the mogstation and actually put effort into making their game work. Time to fire Yoshi P and crew

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Don't you think that's a litte extreme? I would hazard a guess that it isn't necessarily Yoshi-P's fault so much focus is put on the Mog Station than it is the higher ups above him and his team. Cash shops in online games are a big source of cash and SE wants their share. Keep in mind I'm not justifying the Mog Station here but instead of calling for Yoshi-P to be fired be a little more thankful he took on the monumental task of bringing this game from the brink of death that 1.0 was to the game you're currently enjoying now. I may not agree with every decision the team makes but calling for his termination is pretty disrespecful.

The fact that just about every part of Stormblood has been a broken disaster is what’s grounds for termination

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

The fact that just about every part of Stormblood has been a broken disaster is what’s grounds for termination

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None of its been anywhere near a broken disaster. if you are looking for broken disasters, Bless is that way ->

Crap like this is why we can't have nice things.

I try not to grumble too much about game decisions but if they're going to delay content, take the time it's being delayed to actually test it.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I try not to grumble too much about game decisions but if they're going to delay content, take the time it's being delayed to actually test it.

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This is the curse of QA teams. You can spend weeks and weeks testing and fixing tons of bugs that customers never see. But it's the one bug that inevitably gets through that everyone notices.

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

This is the curse of QA teams. You can spend weeks and weeks testing and fixing tons of bugs that customers never see. But it's the one bug that inevitably gets through that everyone notices.

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It's the curse of all forms of review or editing. There's always bound to be that one thing the maker misses, some imperfection, that the consumer notices, and then the consumer proceeds to beat the maker over the head with that one mistake like the maker was some incompetent poor soul. Game development, book writing, you name it.

This really does show that SE needs a LOT better Quality Control / Assurance.

This wasn't some crazy bug. It could easily be in the realm of normal play.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

Maybe the dev team needs to start worrying less about the mogstation and actually put effort into making their game work. Time to fire Yoshi P and crew

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A drama queen in their natural environment...observe the sheer ignorance and irrational nature of said creature.

I only speak the truth that the blind followers can not tolerate

Whole bug thing and them disabling it sounds very fishy and vague. Should been able to fixed the bug without shutting in down. Now makes me wonder about new eureka area when comes out. Will they find some bug and shut it down same way. I'm just surprised they still have a player base when just can't get there acts together.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Whole bug thing and them disabling it sounds very fishy and vague. Should been able to fixed the bug without shutting in down. Now makes me wonder about new eureka area when comes out. Will they find some bug and shut it down same way. I'm just surprised they still have a player base when just can't get there acts together.

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To be honest despite the fact that it is very annoying that the entire thing got shut down, the alternative to leaving it out there while they fixed it is potential abuse. Unfortunately our community has shown time and time again that we cannot be trusted with any type of situation like this as we will exploit it to no end (Remember Ungarmax?). So we as a community will have to patiently sit here and wait for them to fix this bug.

Now if you're going to be upset at square the easiest way to do that was already stated in this thread, the bug in question was not some crazy circumstantial bug where a lot of things had to happen at once to make it trigger. It was literally a summoner leaves the duty with Bahamut out. How that ever got past the testing team who is literally there to try to screw up and unravel all the work done by the devs so they can fix it is beyond me, however it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

I only speak the truth that the blind followers can not tolerate

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If you think its so easy to develop a product...then you do it.
Otherwise please...stop being childish.

Software always has an issue or two on launch day. People always find ways to abuse things and break things. This is normal.
Yes..we should fire Yoshi for a bug....totally rational...totally reasonable comment to make.......not.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

It's the curse of all forms of review or editing. There's always bound to be that one thing the maker misses, some imperfection, that the consumer notices, and then the consumer proceeds to beat the maker over the head with that one mistake like the maker was some incompetent poor soul. Game development, book writing, you name it.

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As an artist, I highly agree to this post^^^^

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Whole bug thing and them disabling it sounds very fishy and vague. Should been able to fixed the bug without shutting in down. Now makes me wonder about new eureka area when comes out. Will they find some bug and shut it down same way. I'm just surprised they still have a player base when just can't get there acts together.

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Oh yes, SE has some ulterior motive to disable content they've worked hard on making. There's just a major issue with Demi-Bahamut if it's summoned while inside Heaven on High. Their explanation is a little vague but if I had to guess is that if a Summoner uses Demi-Bahamut inside and then leaves before it despawns it remains inside the instance. Considering they labeled it as critical it may mean that the instance cannot shut down since Demi-Bahamut isn't despawning. If the instance can't close then it continues to take up space on the server. Now multiply for each Summoner that has Demi-Bahamut and they were left with little choice but to lock the instance until it could be resolved. Again this is a lot of speculation but it would make sense, if it were that players couldn't summon Demi-Bahamut and nothing more then they'd have just told people not to use it until they resolved the issue instead of taking the entire content offline.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

If you think its so easy to develop a product...then you do it.
Otherwise please...stop being childish.

Software always has an issue or two on launch day. People always find ways to abuse things and break things. This is normal.
Yes..we should fire Yoshi for a bug....totally rational...totally reasonable comment to make.......not.

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While true, there's a bigger issue in this case.

Yes. Users will ALWAYS find ways to bend and break your product in ways you never expected. On the other hand, this is not a weird or rare situation that no one could have predicted. This issue easily could, and should have been discovered with even a basic amount of play testing.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

The fact that just about every part of Stormblood has been a broken disaster is what’s grounds for termination

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Clearly you don't play very many games, if you think this is a "Broken Disaster" you need to get out more. Actually, FFXIV is one of the more polished MMO's I've played, you want broken disaster, try WoW, STO (In its early days, still could be better now), just to name a few. Every game has its flaws, and even with players testing things on PTS's, things occasionally slip thru the cracks. Honestly until I couldn't get into HoH I hadn't experienced any problems at all, I thought it might have just been congested like SB when it released. Trying to que for that fight with Grynewaht, now that was a disaster.

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Originally Posted by NyteKitsune

Clearly you don't play very many games, if you think this is a "Broken Disaster" you need to get out more. Actually, FFXIV is one of the more polished MMO's I've played, you want broken disaster, try WoW, STO (In its early days, still could be better now), just to name a few. Every game has its flaws, and even with players testing things on PTS's, things occasionally slip thru the cracks. Honestly until I couldn't get into HoH I hadn't experienced any problems at all, I thought it might have just been congested like SB when it released. Trying to que for that fight with Grynewaht, now that was a disaster.

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Hell have him try any of the Korean MMOs that have been coming out. They all start out as a dumpster fire. Most recently Bless Online.

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Originally Posted by NyteKitsune

Clearly you don't play very many games, if you think this is a "Broken Disaster" you need to get out more. Actually, FFXIV is one of the more polished MMO's I've played, you want broken disaster, try WoW, STO (In its early days, still could be better now), just to name a few. Every game has its flaws, and even with players testing things on PTS's, things occasionally slip thru the cracks. Honestly until I couldn't get into HoH I hadn't experienced any problems at all, I thought it might have just been congested like SB when it released. Trying to que for that fight with Grynewaht, now that was a disaster.

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My favorite I ever heard of was in LotR online when a friend of mine was playing, there was an update that broke the ground. Everywhere. Log in, fall forever, or something like that, and it was busted so bad people had to reinstall to fix it.

Saying anyone should lose their job over a bug is ridiculous. No game goes without them, especially one this massive, and all in all.. like others said. FFXIV is polished.

That being said... I do agree that it would be nice if SE hadn't split up the patch so much. Disabling HoH wouldn't be such a big deal if it was alongside other content we could focus on in the meantime...

If people got fired for bugs getting out Bethesda would of probably closed down after Skyrim's launch.

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

If people got fired for bugs getting out Bethesda would of probably closed down after Skyrim's launch.

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Long before that tbh haha.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This wasn't some crazy bug. It could easily be in the realm of normal play.

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Typically the way this sort of issue happens is that a fix to some other bug causes an unexpected, seemingly-unrelated failure. So your QA team does all its rounds and files all its reports. Then you fix the critical bugs the QA team found, and they test to confirm that the fixes addressed those specific issues. But at that point you're not necessarily going to have the whole team test everything all over again from scratch when it seems the bugs are fixed. Except for the unexpected consequence...

On a somewhat amusing note: It's been so many years, and Bahamut is STILL bringing down parts of the game.

One bug and the end of the world coming. How typical. :D
I do agree this bug seems like something very easy to catch but to me personally it sounds like their QA team is small/or was cut short and when you have to test so many things in such short time, mistakes happen, things slip. It's not rare when programmers or such act as QA team instead of having dedicated people purely for testing. Not saying that's the case over there, just saying I've seen it as common practice in companies and it won't surprise me.

Hopefully they fix it soon, I do enjoy PotD type content and I was looking forward to level some classes above 60!

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Originally Posted by Mihana

Oh yes, SE has some ulterior motive to disable content they've worked hard on making. There's just a major issue with Demi-Bahamut if it's summoned while inside Heaven on High. Their explanation is a little vague but if I had to guess is that if a Summoner uses Demi-Bahamut inside and then leaves before it despawns it remains inside the instance.

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Opposite, actually. Bahamut follows you out and won't despawn even with teleports, zone changes and logging out. Which gives you access to Wyrmwave at all times. Now, you can't go into DWT or use Aetherglow, but it's still a massive glitch that simply shouldn't have happened if they had even once taken a summoner in to test the content. I'm just annoyed that it's taken nearly four hours for them to fix it, as I would assume many others are.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Opposite, actually. Bahamut follows you out and won't despawn even with teleports, zone changes and logging out. Which gives you access to Wyrmwave at all times. Now, you can't go into DWT or use Aetherglow, but it's still a massive glitch that simply shouldn't have happened if they had even once taken a summoner in to test the content. I'm just annoyed that it's taken nearly four hours for them to fix it, as I would assume many others are.

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Not just Wyrmwave. Akh Morn.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Not just Wyrmwave. Akh Morn.

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Oh now that's bloody hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Oh now that's bloody hilarious.

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Yeah my friend I was running it with experienced the bug and we re-entered. You're basically locked into your "Bahamut rotation" until you do whatever it is to fix the bug. This means a free Akh Morn every 10s or so, permanently. The mobs melted, so I can see why they've taken it down, people can't be trusted to not take this elsewhere in the game and completely ruin the integrity of certain content.

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

Typically the way this sort of issue happens is that a fix to some other bug causes an unexpected, seemingly-unrelated failure. So your QA team does all its rounds and files all its reports. Then you fix the critical bugs the QA team found, and they test to confirm that the fixes addressed those specific issues. But at that point you're not necessarily going to have the whole team test everything all over again from scratch when it seems the bugs are fixed. Except for the unexpected consequence...

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Which is why those are called hacks instead of fixes. The problem never got fixed, it was just worked around.

I'm actually fairly reminded, also, of the plaque incident in WoW that involved getting pets sick, unsummoning them, and bringing them back out in the middle of a crowded city. Separate issue, but it kinda sorta highlights how easy it is for pets to break stuff, sometimes in glorious ways that become a case study of some sort.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Yeah my friend I was running it with experienced the bug and we re-entered. You're basically locked into your "Bahamut rotation" until you do whatever it is to fix the bug. This means a free Akh Morn every 10s or so, permanently. The mobs melted, so I can see why they've taken it down, people can't be trusted to not take this elsewhere in the game and completely ruin the integrity of certain content.

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I thought the demi bahamut reason was a joke at first, so summoners can take bahamut into any dungeon and just spam Akh morn?

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

I'm actually fairly reminded, also, of the plaque incident in WoW that involved getting pets sick, unsummoning them, and bringing them back out in the middle of a crowded city. Separate issue, but it kinda sorta highlights how easy it is for pets to break stuff, sometimes in glorious ways that become a case study of some sort.

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They actually used that event to study real life epidemic and terrorism scenarios. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident