Future expansions

So, I was thinking it would be a nice change of pace if we, the warrior of light, ultimately failed their objective at the end of an expansion. Something like the next expansion having the three city states leveled from a Garlean invasion, and the warrior of light fleeing from Eorza for their life.


Oh, and playable moogles.

Isn't that kind of how all the expansions have ended and then it gets wrapped up semi-nicely going through the launch of the next?

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Isn't that kind of how all the expansions have ended and then it gets wrapped up semi-nicely going through the launch of the next?

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2.55 did... but they ruined it by making most events having been pointless. This whole, x person is dead.... wait no they aren't, is very tired.

I'm honestly not sure if this is serious or sarcasm. Huh.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

2.55 did... but they ruined it by making most events having been pointless. This whole, x person is dead.... wait no they aren't, is very tired.

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the end of the HW expansion there was

a mass sacrifice we didn't stop that resulted in a primal being let loose and the loss of arguably the best scion.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

the end of the HW expansion there was

a mass sacrifice we didn't stop that resulted in a primal being let loose and the loss of arguably the best scion.

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To be fair though that was kinda rug swept and never brought up again outside of a handful of instances, much like the end of the 2.55 storyline. SE has a terrible time of keeping legitimate stakes and making traumatic events actually stick. See the Ifrit tempering and subsequent mass executions that were also rug swept and then completely written out of lore for as much affect as it had on the Scions in 4.0-4.1.

Maybe add new story where can pick to be ether the warrior of light or warrior of darkness.

I feel like their problem is that they're trying to set up a story for the next expansion, but somewhere along the way they're forced to backpedal on it. The end of ARR is such a shining example on it, everything was retconned save for the loss of Raubahn's arm and even then we're all waiting for Cid to give him a magitek replacement. And even that conclusion was condensed to, what, barely a minor patch?

I'll raise you one though, when they don't ignore those things, they contradict them. When you run the Warring Triad storyline, Y'shtola says that you joined the Scions fully aware of the need to murder tempered individuals and that you never shied away from the dirty jobs. When in actuality you didn't know about it until there was a long waiting line for the gallows, and the only time the WoL themselves partook in the killing of tempered individuals was in battle and mostly as self-defense.

I'm not sure if it's because it's writers changing or just it being so long since it happened, but either way, SE isn't big on keeping up with its own stories, it seems :(

Can't kill main NPCs, creating new ones would make the servers explode, please understand. *Ends Joke*

I can't stress enough how much I loved the 2.55 and I was looking forward to maybe a civil war, maybe sneaking into Ul'dah... heck, I wish Teledji became a sultan or something and Nanamo did survive but we had to get antidote and dethrone him and help her reclaim her position... anything but - oh she was just asleep, nevermind back to Ishgard.

I get that Ishgard was the center of the next expansion but you can't build so much momentum only to have it resolved in most underwhelming way possible. Now whatever tension rises in future MSQ, I just can't feel as invested knowing it will eventually be swept under the rug to make room for whatever is next ... just like Papalymo's sacrifice and Lyse' reveal. The transition between story points is really poor at times and it grinds my gears cause it could have been so much better.

Give us a Garlean Faction expansion.
An alternate storyline.

I forget there a people who love "EVERYONE DIES" story elements.

The Warrior of Light already has PTSD and some serious soul fracturing going on, if they get pushed any further they will pretty convincingly either quit or commit suicide.

We almost never get to save anything important to the Warrior of Light as a person.

Minfillia
Ysayle
Haurchefaunt
Papalymo
The entire group in the Waking Sands post Titan
The list pretty much doesn't end.. so why exactly do we need to have any more soul crushing failures to save people breaking our characters any more than they already are

I can't even watch my friends drink out of cups
Leave me alone.

I would hazard that in reality, after 2.55 we werent supposed to get HW. Yes, we would go to ishgard and what not, but the plot wouldve probably revolved around the happenings in Uldah for a fair bit and not so much about the War of the Dragons.

One of a few things though mustve occured:
-A limitation in the games engine/architecture would prevent a very crucial story element from being told, making it unfeasable.
-There was to much plot going on and they couldnt fit it reasonably in the xpac, so they opted to dumb down 2.55 ending to a few wrap up quests and then dive into Ishgard
-The storyline they would want to tell would create an issue with the player itself. As an example, if I was lvl 50 moving into HW, and I couldnt return to Uldah cause of a Civil War or some plot device, I wouldnt be able to not only interact with lower lvl players who havent completed that part of the MSQ, nor would I be able to effectively interact with Job NPCs like Thaumaturge, Monk, or PLD (as a few examples). Not without moving them to another location. And if I swapped jobs, would I then be able ot enter the city again?

SE is, IMO, fairly decent about keeping stories fairly consistent. After 2.55, it just seemed like they rushed it, which seemed out of character for SE. So Im imagining that yeah, something made them drastically change course at some time in the development, after they were already locked in on the story ARR.