How dangerous would it be...

If Dark knight and Black mage could regain MP from Refresh, Ewer cards and Mana Shift?

Black Mage already can I think this just applies to Dark Knights

You'd get around one extra F4 as a Black Mage so it' snot a big deal. You'd have to adjust your F1 timing to fit it comfortably.

For dark Knight, benefiting from Refresh would be good when Blood Weapon isn't running. An extra 2 Dark Arts every 3 minutes isn't game breaking.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You'd get around one extra F4 as a Black Mage so it' snot a big deal. You'd have to adjust your F1 timing to fit it comfortably.

For dark Knight, benefiting from Refresh would be good when Blood Weapon isn't running. An extra 2 Dark Arts every 3 minutes isn't game breaking.

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I agree. I do not know why Square Enix doesn't want this happening... It would add more synergy with other classes. Brd and Mch increasing DRK's dps? All for it.

It'd probably be barely noticeable. Seems like it could've been a carry over from their HW intentions? Like, DRK used to be about not bottoming out, now it's about not overcapping.

IDK though. I always feel bad for the DRK when I run dungeons on MCH and Refresh/Tact on large pulls. "Here's MP for everyone.. Except you. Filthy DRK"

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

It'd probably be barely noticeable. Seems like it could've been a carry over from their HW intentions? Like, DRK used to be about not bottoming out, now it's about not overcapping.

IDK though. I always feel bad for the DRK when I run dungeons on MCH and Refresh/Tact on large pulls. "Here's MP for everyone.. Except you. Filthy DRK"

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Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

I think it’s more a lore thing than a balance thing for DRK. You’re not actually using magic, you’re using darkness. So moves like refresh and mana shift that replenish magic won’t help a DRK.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

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i belive in that too until i met living dead.

About the only reason I can see for darkside neutralizing refresh now is that we have very clean-cut MP numbers. All our spells cost nice, round numbers, all our restoration is nice, round numbers, and our max MP is a nice, round number of 9480. Throwing in a refresh (or turning off darkside) messes that number up.

I'd still rather have the refresh, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Black Mage already can I think this just applies to Dark Knights

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BLM can't accept MP from Mana Shift (or Refresh, Ewer) if Astral Fire is active.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

About the only reason I can see for darkside neutralizing refresh now is that we have very clean-cut MP numbers. All our spells cost nice, round numbers, all our restoration is nice, round numbers, and our max MP is a nice, round number of 9480. Throwing in a refresh (or turning off darkside) messes that number up.

I'd still rather have the refresh, to be honest.

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Soul Survivor begs to differ.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Soul Survivor begs to differ.

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Yeah, it kind of messes it up now. That's the price paid for letting it trigger off anything.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

BLM can't accept MP from Mana Shift (or Refresh, Ewer) if Astral Fire is active.

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Black Mage can accept Chunks of MP, like from Manashift, it just cant obtain refresh status while under Astral fire (stuff like Lucid, Ranged Refresh, or the Ewer.) Its the only reason Convert works in Astral fire.

When on RDM the hubby will feed manashifts to BLMs if the healers are fine, his MP is healthy, there isn't a bard and if he sees that they just refreshed astral fire, so he knows they have enough time to adjust their rotation for the extra Astral spell.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

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Given that DRK has pathetic self-healing on single targets, the only invulnerability of the three tanks that kills them without help, and can throw shields on others almost at will with TBN, it's really the least independent of the tanks now.

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Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

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In fact, I love that way for the DRK.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Given that DRK has pathetic self-healing on single targets, the only invulnerability of the three tanks that kills them without help, and can throw shields on others almost at will with TBN, it's really the least independent of the tanks now.

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It has the best sustain of the tanks.

It's just nobody ever wants to be in Grit.