Eureka may be flawed but I really like it

I've been playing this game since 1.0 alpha, but one thing that grows tiresome about 2.0 in particular is that with most content being instanced dungeon based where you have to rushrushrush as if you're a speed runner and go through the usual tunnel of 20-30 minutes nonstop gameplay... ugh I've done this so many times over the years but Eureka is different.

It's much more relaxing and I feel like I don't have to play at an aggressive pace or anything, and I also have time to take a minute break when I need to without hindering others cause the goal isn't linear for everyone as everyone has their own progression.

The instant queues for all jobs is another thing I really enjoy too.

TBH I can get why people might dislike it, but for me? It's the most refreshing content I've seen since Deep Dungeon and I love it.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

I've been playing this game since 1.0 alpha, but one thing that grows tiresome about 2.0 in particular is that with most content being instanced dungeon based where you have to rushrushrush as if you're a speed runner and go through the usual tunnel of 20-30 minutes nonstop gameplay... ugh I've done this so many times over the years but Eureka is different.

It's much more relaxing and I feel like I don't have to play at an aggressive pace or anything, and I also have time to take a minute break when I need to without hindering others cause the goal isn't linear for everyone as everyone has their own progression.

The instant queues for all jobs is another thing I really enjoy too.

TBH I can get why people might dislike it, but for me? It's the most refreshing content I've seen since Deep Dungeon and I love it.

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Fate Train all abooooooooooard~~

I think biggest problem is +3 level level sync make you too OP for the NM. You can literally burn the boss down without doing any mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I think biggest problem is +3 level level sync make you too OP for the NM. You can literally burn the boss down without doing any mechanics.

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That was changed in 4.3, NMs live a lot longer and with less people on the train than before (I normally see a few parties opt to do the challenge log instead) it can make higher NMs more difficult and lower NMs actually show off their mechanics like on day 1. I even had a scare the other day when MTing Hazmat where I tunnel visioned on the boss and when I looked up everyone around me was dead or near dead, would have deleveled myself if it weren't for a clutch healer showing up just in time.

I enjoy it too, especially after the last batch of QOL updates. Bosses are actually doing all their moves (The Serket fight is fun!) and I can see almost everyone now. The biggest thing needed is an eLev sync, with the ability to sync the party down to the lowest players level I feel more options for leveling will reopen. I like the Challenge logs too, its a nice way to add quest type exp without the beat-you-over-the-head markers.

I was really curious to see if Pagos will still require you to go back to Anemos, that would help keep the content lively. Either way, since they released Eureka, I hardly touch roulette's unless my FC mates need help leveling.

I get why some people dont like it and thats fine, its designed to appeal to a particular crowd and i think it succeeds quite well at it. Its not FFXI 2.0 but I think it is the closest we will come in the framework of FFXIV. My only regret with this is this wasnt the open world model from the launch of FFXIV 2.0.

"Even though this content is in fact a boring, predictable and reskinned mess, I actually do enjoy it because I can relax". Sorry to say this, but people give the weirdest reasons as to why they think Eureka is enjoyable and almost none of them involve core design of gameplay. I personally don't see it. That isnt' to say that people aren't allowed to enjoy.

But for me, monsters are boring, mechanics are boring, reskinned and reused versions of pretty much everything. Loot system after a while becomes tedious / non rewarding. Relic gear another complete reskin you can dye. Elemental reel brings very little complexity. Maps are a dozefest and except for the FATES and fairy, there is almost no reason to explore but to quests. Active participation isn't really encouraged and spawning NM is often due to the goodwill of a minority while the majority just leeches. Level disparity adds onto this. There is just so much wrong with Eureka in my opinion that I can muster up very little reasons as to why this would be enjoyable. It's just killing the same mob dozens, if not hundreds of times to kill another mob by usually using 1-2-3. If I wanted something relaxing, I'd go fish. Content is not good because people feel relaxed. It's not good because people are speaking to each other.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

"Even though this content is in fact a boring, predictable and reskinned mess, I actually do enjoy it because I can relax". Sorry to say this, but people give the weirdest reasons as to why they think Eureka is enjoyable and almost none of them involve core design of gameplay. I personally don't see it. That isnt' to say that people aren't allowed to enjoy.

But for me, monsters are boring, mechanics are boring, reskinned and reused versions of pretty much everything. Loot system after a while becomes tedious / non rewarding. Relic gear another complete reskin you can dye. Elemental reel brings very little complexity. Maps are a dozefest and except for the FATES and fairy, there is almost no reason to explore but to quests. Active participation isn't really encouraged and spawning NM is often due to the goodwill of a minority while the majority just leeches. Level disparity adds onto this. There is just so much wrong with Eureka in my opinion that I can muster up very little reasons as to why this would be enjoyable. It's just killing the same mob dozens, if not hundreds of times to kill another mob by usually using 1-2-3. If I wanted something relaxing, I'd go fish. Content is not good because people feel relaxed. It's not good because people are speaking to each other.

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I never said it was boring lmao that was something you invented for how you felt.

I also find it ironic you are saying "predictable and reskinned" when dungeons are essentially that in a lot of cases. Apples and oranges.

I played it a bit more, and while i still think it has flaws, I see why people like it.

For one thing there's a lot more interaction between players, and more of a community spirit. You give players rides, raise them, heal impromptu tanks, pull mobs, maybe even pinch heal as a rdm or pinch tank/pull as a dps. There's a social aspect that is very missing in this game, even in hunts.

And...well it gets rid of the endless tryhardism from the savage brigade.

Worried about dps? too bad, the mobs go down faster than your normal rotation. Want to try out a different jon? its only 300 cap and you're not hurting anyone. Its the netflix and chill of this game, and its good if you are stressed a lot.

Its still got problems, but it grows a lot on you.

Not a fan, between it being another mindless fate train and the fact that it was delayed for so long, its just a boring slog at all times (most of the time you stand there for up to 30 mins doing absolutely nothing until a fate pops) Put it this way, my expectations were very low and I still feel disappointed in how it turned out.

Also, getting one shot by literally everything because you are practically required to follow the fate train into areas that just kick your ass isn't my idea of fun, maybe at level 20 its a bit better, but levelling is just painful.

Have made so many friends thanks to this content. Thank you, SE.

Since you like something I feel a need to write a five page essay on why its bad and youre a bad person for liking it, as is tradition on these forums.

But screw that Eureka gave me easy gil and people actually talk there. With a good group of people it can be damn right enjoyable for the few hours youre there, and I liked having to find bunny chests. Sometimes the grind did get tedious but I liked messing with logos and the death train through the fates.

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Since you like something I feel a need to write a five page essay on why its bad and youre a bad person for liking it, as is tradition on these forums.

But screw that Eureka gave me easy gil and people actually talk there. With a good group of people it can be damn right enjoyable for the few hours youre there, and I liked having to find bunny chests. Sometimes the grind did get tedious but I liked messing with logos and the death train through the fates.

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It had a few benefits, but I personally hated the place from start to finish. The gil was nice though, I agree. I made millions upon millions as a result of Eureka. Still though I wonder if it was all truly worth it aside from some nice FF XI glamours which I don't regret obtaining.

I was really disappointed with the reality of how the content turned out. It seemed like they were trying to give a nod to FFXI which I was excited for, but it just devolved into a 2.0 era FATE train spam. Except this time, the FATE were all clustered in the middle of mobs that one-shot you and your party members.

There's just nothing like traversing around in a dangerous world, it feels refreshing. I enjoy the enemies popping up at night too as well as the grind. It feels a lot more relaxing compared to grinding Alex for my Animus in 3.0 and crafting a bunch of garbage.

Yeah, I love it too.
The speed run grind destroys my will to live.

The main problem for me is that once you got your challenge log done, there's absolutely no means of progressing with the levels in a reasonable way. Killing monsters for xp or NM for xp is not efficient at all.

Also I think losing levels with deaths is a bit too much. I think a good medium would be to yes, lose experience, but not to the point of actually crossing backwards to the previous level. Just losing xp without it would already be a big punishment to let you be more careful with what you do.

Other than that, the worst flaws of Pagos they actually acknowledged and fixed on the following instances.

IMO, once you get passed Pagos, Eureka becomes some great content.
Really love a lot of the NM mechanics, and models.

I'm honestly surprised they haven't used some of the unique models outside of Eureka yet.

Let's give a moment of thought to these poor souls entrapped by Eureka's Stockholm Syndrome...may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

Let's give a moment of thought to these poor souls entrapped by Eureka's Stockholm Syndrome...may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

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I feel personally attacked since I did Eureka from start to finish, am currently working on my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th weapon.. and well.. I've been in Pyros a long time.

https://i.imgur.com/JPY0esn.png

I honestly think Pagos left people too scarred.
Even after the "fixes" is still horrible.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

I feel personally attacked since I did Eureka from start to finish, am currently working on my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th weapon.. and well.. I've been in Pyros a long time.

https://i.imgur.com/JPY0esn.png

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Bless your heart...after completing my SMN weapon I realized Eureka done did me wrong!

Don't believe it's lies! It's just using you for a good time!...you deserve so much better!

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Originally Posted by Raikai

The main problem for me is that once you got your challenge log done, there's absolutely no means of progressing with the levels in a reasonable way. Killing monsters for xp or NM for xp is not efficient at all.

Also I think losing levels with deaths is a bit too much. I think a good medium would be to yes, lose experience, but not to the point of actually crossing backwards to the previous level. Just losing xp without it would already be a big punishment to let you be more careful with what you do.

Other than that, the worst flaws of Pagos they actually acknowledged and fixed on the following instances.

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*Went from eureka 1 to 60 doing nms while getting his first weapon done, and only took 8 days, looks at what he quoted, stares with blank face at 4th wall*

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

I've been playing this game since 1.0 alpha, but one thing that grows tiresome about 2.0 in particular is that with most content being instanced dungeon based where you have to rushrushrush as if you're a speed runner and go through the usual tunnel of 20-30 minutes nonstop gameplay... ugh I've done this so many times over the years but Eureka is different.

It's much more relaxing and I feel like I don't have to play at an aggressive pace or anything, and I also have time to take a minute break when I need to without hindering others cause the goal isn't linear for everyone as everyone has their own progression.

The instant queues for all jobs is another thing I really enjoy too.

TBH I can get why people might dislike it, but for me? It's the most refreshing content I've seen since Deep Dungeon and I love it.

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they need to add it to the over world, no more one shot mods. zelda open world content aka actual exploring, puzzle hidden caves, and not just kill and kill and kill until you are begging for a revive. then eureka will be what it was meant to be.

I'm glad somebody enjoys it. I just... wanna know what I'm missing about this place. I spent about an hour in there, when it first came out, and found it to be utterly uninteresting and, after half an hour of shouting for a group and getting no response whatsoever, frustrating (disclaimer, I was not spamming). How much time do I have to spend in there before something remotely engaging happens? How much time am I supposed to give it before I have a reason to want to continue?

Because everything I've seen and heard just screams "boring mindless grind that gets kinda better after hours and hours and hours of boring mindless grind" and ??? Is there more?? Is that wrong? Is it more than "fate train and kill mobs forever"? Honest question.

If I didn't want the glowy gear and the Ozma mount, I wouldn't even be considering stepping foot inside again. It just seems that unappealing.

I got all the way to the end, and then the stat grind kicked in on the weapon and I just couldn't do it anymore. The weapons will be outdated in 3 weeks anyway and that last Eureka zone is somehow the most mind numbing. I got through them all and was determined to finish at least 1 weapon. I did multiple in arr and hw but I got to that last zone, had 0 luck on the stat rng and my will to finish a weapon deflated into nothing, fast. I never even hit max level and the mere thought of going back in and even leveling makes me nope right into a different game.

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Originally Posted by Drayce1

*Went from eureka 1 to 60 doing nms while getting his first weapon done, and only took 8 days, looks at what he quoted, stares with blank face at 4th wall*

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"Only took 8 days"... I must be too casual for this then, because I think 8 days of gameplay is quite a lot?

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Originally Posted by Raikai

"Only took 8 days"... I must be too casual for this then, because I think 8 days of gameplay is quite a lot?

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For what it's worth, completing a current relic weapon from scratch in 8 days is insanely fast compared to 2.0 and 3.0 relics, even if he was pulling 14 hour days.

I tried it, but:
1. I could not figure out the rotary thing with the different symbols, or how to set it.
2. I couldn't get more than 50 yards into the field without dying instantly and ending up back in RR.

Haven't been back there since then.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

"Only took 8 days"... I must be too casual for this then, because I think 8 days of gameplay is quite a lot?

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This must be where the huge eureka hatred disconnect is. Eureka IS NOT casual content, plain and simple. It's end game, relic gear content. Intended to be a grind. If you are casual, and take is casually, of course it's going to take a long time.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

Bless your heart...after completing my SMN weapon I realized Eureka done did me wrong!

Don't believe it's lies! It's just using you for a good time!...you deserve so much better!

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What?...
https://i.imgur.com/zeHzq9r.png

Overall I enjoyed Eureka. BA was a blast, world feels alive and dangerous (something they should figure for the open world) and instances are always full of players even after the split, made tons of gil and cool glamour and mounts.

The fact that relics are tied to this mindless content is bad enough, let alone they're continuing it in ShB -_- I preferred grinding light.

Personally hate it, havent made it to pyros yet (yes still doing it because dammit I started it and I'm going to finish it). I've said it before and I'll say it again, everything that I hated about FFXI is there in Eureka: XP loss, endless mindless grinds of the same monsters over and over (not similar, the same exact monster) , pointless travel limitations based only on level and cheap tactics to run you through dangerous areas so you either have to overlevel the quests or risk xp loss because you died when a monster turned around at the exact wrong time. At least XI had sneak oil and prism powder.


BUT..

if you like it then cool. I just don't feel the fact that everyone has so much extra time to kill that they "barrens chat" it up is a plus. People res in the hopes that someone else will do the same if they die and you can zone in to the content and waste 10-30 minutes of the instance time (even dumber limitation) yelling for a party.


... Yes.. It frustrates me and for all the people saying "wait till you get to the end" , the grind to get there is crazy boring for me, with very little story as a reward for actually leveling.


Like the rewards, hate the content.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Personally hate it, havent made it to pyros yet (yes still doing it because dammit I started it and I'm going to finish it). I've said it before and I'll say it again, everything that I hated about FFXI is there in Eureka: XP loss, endless mindless grinds of the same monsters over and over (not similar, the same exact monster) , pointless travel limitations based only on level and cheap tactics to run you through dangerous areas so you either have to overlevel the quests or risk xp loss because you died when a monster turned around at the exact wrong time. At least XI had sneak oil and prism powder.


BUT..

if you like it then cool. I just don't feel the fact that everyone has so much extra time to kill that they "barrens chat" it up is a plus. People res in the hopes that someone else will do the same if they die and you can zone in to the content and waste 10-30 minutes of the instance time (even dumber limitation) yelling for a party.


... Yes.. It frustrates me and for all the people saying "wait till you get to the end" , the grind to get there is crazy boring for me, with very little story as a reward for actually leveling.


Like the rewards, hate the content.

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I think the problem with Eureka is this:

They took all the worst aspects of an MMORPG (some from FF XI specifically) and lumped it all together. In my opinon, they never really managed to capture that true FF XI feel. They never even came close. And no, dropping FF XI cosmetics into the mix doesn't count, as much as some of them were greatly appreciated. I played FF XI for awhile and Eureka did not feel like FF XI at all. It felt like I was being punished for 60 levels with all the grinding and RNG we had to put up with...oh, and Fates, because we have never had to do any of those before!