The combat in this game is probably one of the worst I have ever seen... so I'm looking for something good about this game, could you tell me what do you think is good and why? I'm thinking about subscribing but I don't know if anything will change later on, currently I'm level 40 and the cons I see:
-the story seems to be super generic with almost zero voice acting
-the combat is ultra boring and also character tends to have multiple skills that are pretty much useless
-the waiting times for dungeons is pretty long (usually around 20 minutes)
-the amount of backtracking in story is just hilarious...
Will anything from this list be better later in the game? Or maybe something will appear that will just blow my mind?
I don't want to sound harsh but well - that's what I trully see when I play the game.
What's good about this game?
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06-10-2018, 03:30 PMChiryuuWhat's good about this game?
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06-10-2018, 03:46 PMTsubaki75
I mean what are you actually looking for in the game. It's a little early to talk about your skills and real combat since you don't have your full toolkit yet and from what i can see you have the hall of the novice gear and no job crystal at lvl 40. That means you are missing the job quests and skills that will help round out your experience. I can say that rouge/ninja has no useless skills, however they are given to you slowly so it takes a while for a job from lvl 1 to fill out and get smoother.
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06-10-2018, 04:04 PMHestzhyen
The story vastly improves once you get past the current section, takes a dip for the worse in the 2.3-2.4 section, then ramps up well in to Heavensward. There's less "run here to talk to x and report back" and pointless fetch quests the further you go.
The fights get more complex and exciting the further you go. Once you hit 50 there will be a ton of content you can do - namely EX primals of the ones you're fighting in the story now- that will give you a taste of what end-game is like. 24 man raids and Coil will also open up. Your job likely won't feel "complete" until you get to level 60 or so, but there will be more for you to do during fights at least. Note that this applies to old end-game content and not necessarily to dungeons and story stuff.
Dungeon queue times for DPS never change much, though you might find your queue times decrease a little the more dungeons you can be thrown into. Generally speaking if you want a fast queue as DPS you go with a tank/healer friend. Queuing in progress might shorten it a bit too if you don't mind joining a run mid-way.
I'd say if you get through ARR and aren't liking the game, you've given it a fair try. As good as the story gets in HW, as fun as some of the fights are, the game isn't for everyone. And they put a jump potion on the Mog Station for a reason... easier to accept cash to skip the worst parts of the game than go back and fix them. -
06-10-2018, 04:19 PMTempest222
Personally if I don’t find I’m enjoying a game within the first 30 minutes or so I bail and find something else, so imo you’ve made it really far in the game considering you don’t seem to be that into it. I would say by this point you have a pretty decent idea of what the game has to offer, but if you are on the fence you could always just stick around long enough to hit max level and see how you feel then.
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06-10-2018, 04:45 PMChiryuu
Well the problem with combat is the main one... friend told me that I will have to use like 20 skills to be actually good in dungeons but in the same time it's like 10-15% increase in dps compared to using 5-6 skills. And I'm not sure if he was trolling or is it really, because such design would be pretty unrewarding.
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06-10-2018, 04:53 PMRufFfxiv is indeed like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiryuu
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06-10-2018, 04:58 PMChiryuu
So in other words... the measurments of your skill in this game is actually just testing how many buttons has your mouse?
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06-10-2018, 10:09 PMern815
If you like Japanese culture, there's a lot of reference of it in the latest expansion.
Storywise it has its ups and downs. Gameplay wise - it's fun but content wise it may get dry at times. Old content might get obsolete quickly (Diadem)
Community wise, their mostly nice gamers though a minority are still kinda mean.
PVP wise - I don't have any comments since i don't really focus on that but I heard it hasn't been up to par.
Forum wise - it's kinda active, though Reddit seems more active. -
06-10-2018, 11:18 PMMoomba33
In my personal opinion, if you aren't enjoying the game at all now you probably won't like it any better later.
DPS queues won't get better.
I do agree with others the story pacing gets better in the expansions but if you aren't invested at all now there's no guarantee you'll enjoy them any more. ARR has a lot of setup for later events.
Combat at max level involves figuring out how to maximize your rotation around the fight mechanics. Every job will have 20+ buttons and while some will be situational they should all be on your hot bars.
If you want to give it more of a chance I'd say unlock your job and see if the combat style appeals to you more when you have some Ninja skills to weave in. Otherwise I say move on to something else. -
06-11-2018, 01:03 AMLalafellDown
You missed out, sadly you can’t enjoy the original primal/savage content as they were since no one does them synced. Everything you said is what you will experience all the way up to lvl 70. The hook is dressing up and playing house.
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06-11-2018, 01:21 AMChiryuuwhat's about after 70 lvl.Quote:
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About the story - I'm not saying it's bad, it's ultra generic fantasy... I hope for some interesting things. -
06-11-2018, 01:29 AMTsubaki75Indeed Ninja is a involved job and you will definitely need to use all of your skills to be competent. The fun of it for me is knowing when to use the various support skills and harmonizing with whatever group that i'm in, but only you can decide if it's something you find enjoyable or not. I would normally suggest getting to 70 and trying diff content, however this being a subscription game I wouldn't want you to waste $ on something you don't enjoy.Quote:
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06-11-2018, 01:38 AMLunaxiaI have to disagree. Like OP I wasn't blown away by ARR - I didn't dislike it, but at the same time I played very casually and it didn't do much for me. The story until level 50 is pretty dull and sometimes tedious, the combat is slow, and there's not much in the way of visuals or game play to grip you, be it dungeon, glamour or scenery. I could have taken or left the game until I hit 50, when better armor, raids, primal fights and the Dreams of Ice story line actually started to peak my interest and class mechanics started to come together, making fights less repetitive and more engaging.Quote:
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To the OP, while you don't have to, I'd say it's worth giving it a chance to at least 50 if you're undecided. The game's slow start is one of its biggest weaknesses and why a lot of new players get turned off, but if you hang in there, you might find a lot to enjoy. -
06-13-2018, 12:12 AMNiwashi
The Lodestone is saying you're a level 48 Rogue, but not a Ninja. Is that just Lodestone screwing up your profile with incomplete info? (It does that sometimes.) Or did you actually advance that far without unlocking your job?
If it's the later, then that's why combat seems stale. You've gone to 48 while still playing as if you were at 26. Unlock your job, get caught up on all your job quests, and see if you still find it boring while incorporating your ninjutsu skills.
As for the story, it has its peaks and dips. Personally, I find most of it enjoyable and some of its highlights great, but even I see some troublesome pacing issues at times. Where are you at in the story? If we knew that, it'd be easier to say whether you're just at a slow point that'll get better soon, or whether you don't like even the parts considered good which would suggest it may just not be to your taste. -
06-13-2018, 12:30 AMGumbercules
The "entry" for FF 14 imo needed to be addressed in HW, it is hard to sell ppl on a game on "it gets better past ARR!" that is 30-50 hours of someones time. First thing they need to do is move the passives to the "job" levels (job quest and skill, passive, passive, job skill/quest, etc) EVERY class should have a 3 part combo by 16 and first dungeon imo (along with 2 ogcd moves for DPS and a combination of ogcd and active skill for healer and tank) Also needs to make it clear to new players that they can level on the main story alone, and as such accommodate the xp gains to make sure there is no leveling gaps. And maybe axe some of the fetch quests lol. (whole banquet part can die in a fire -.-)
wanna say that if you stick it out, you will enjoy what you eventually get too, and i sincerely believe that: that said, it can be "bad" to force yourself to play something you aren't enjoying since it can lead to a sort of resentment that will sour the experience for you. (happened to me trying to force myself to like warlords of draenor, and what coulda been me skipping an xpac for WoW turned to quitting it in the long run) -
06-13-2018, 12:45 AMMOZZYSTAR
Disclaimer ARR sucks and is gruelling, but the backstory it provides is important for later content. Heavensward (next expansion after ARR) is really good. It's better organised and directed. Hits you in the feelz department. Stormblood is my personal favourite (people usually either prefer HW or SB). SB has my favourite storyline, environments, dungeons, raids (minus Omega), and trials so far. I can't really specify without fearing of spoiling...
Another good reason to FFXIV (youtube, no spoilers) -
06-13-2018, 12:53 AMMahrzeYou're not harsh, its your opinion, you are allowed to do you, y'know. With all that listed however; its brutally obvious the game is not for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiryuu
One of the key selling points is the story but its generic fantasy for you.
Combat hasn't really been the forte and you already point it out to be the worst in your personal experience.
You're playing as a DPS which means your queue times are horrid by default.
The backtracking is mostly a thing in the 2.0 era content. Its much less after you start 3.0's story line.
About the only thing I can add is the game does have a solid content release schedule. But that looks like a moot point considering the rest of your gripes.