Upcoming changes to HQ specifications

In patch 1.21 the crafting system will see many changes and revamps such as adjustments to crafting quality, the rate in which finished goods result in HQ, changes to the “Touch Up” specifications, and changes to HQ equipment stats.

We feel that with these changes it will be easier to craft HQ items than it is currently. Those of you anxious to learn more will be glad to know that we’ll be releasing specific details in the near future on Topics!

Not too easy Rukkirii ... just something that seems to make more sense " " but still has a challenge. ;)

Thanks for the snippet and tease. :p lol

Awesome, I knew it was going to get easier and more intentional, but I am glad to hear HQ Items will be getting stat overhauls. The current bonuses are useless.

Tiger Girl, if possible could you give me a confirmation if what you mean with this:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

the rate in which finished goods result in HQ

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...is what Yoshida-san talked about last August after that looong analysis of mine (in this Topic here there're all the links) where I ultimately requested to have a system that rewards for your hard efforts in gathering HQ materials, ensuring the HQ result?

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

We are planning on implementing the HQ revamp in patch 1.20.
Until Patch 1.20 is released, the current specs for HQ items will be used. Also, in the new specs, HQ items will only be created if every ingredient used is HQ. We want to make sure that you will not experience a sense of futility when your synthesized item turns into NQ at the last moment.

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Is the “Work hard to get HQ materials and you will get a guaranteed HQ result” still confirmed?
That was the feature I was awaiting for the most in patch 1.20, but since it was postponed I'm really looking forward to it in 1.21. Also, it'll lessen a lot my inventory space, with all the old +3 materials I've saved up.

Thanks if you can confirm it. :)

Cloudio Onizuka, Tiger Mask no.1 fan :rolleyes:

Yup, I am definitely going to have to start crafting.

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

[...] Is the “Work hard to get HQ materials and you will get a guaranteed HQ result” still confirmed? [...]

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That's something I'd like to know as well.

I've been hoarding HQ materials for months now, waiting for the day I can finally use them to insta-HQ anything. If that's not going to happen, I should probably start getting rid of all my +1/+3 fish. I'm not sure if it's still "high quality" anyway, after my retainers have been carrying it around for months...

We don't need easier HQ. The rate is fine the way it is now. If you mean all HQ material = HQ finished item or part, then that's very welcome.

Other than that, keep the current rate.

I'm all for Full HQ Mats = HQ Output. It's also very nice to hear that maybe there will be other stats involved with HQ on armor as the DEF bonus and Meld% increases are nice, but those aren't enough usually to make them worth going for.

Oh, and what about working on processed materials and the other craftables we don't get touch ups for?

That sounds great i have not been able to HQ a single piece of gear yet.

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Not too easy Rukkirii ... just something that seems to make more sense " " but still has a challenge. ;)l

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And what challenge is there sitting back and watching to see if the RNG smiles on you?

No, seriously, there is precious little 'skill' in the silly mini-games, they're simply long drawn-out version of the RNG rolls that took place while you watched a crystal spin in FFXI. Choosing which type of synth attempt to try may involve the use of a couple of brain cells which XI didn't, however the outcome is stil ENTIRELY down to the RNG, the player has no control over it AT ALL beyond this single decision.

Suggesting there's any 'challenge' here beyond the usual SE challenge to you to endure long tedious, time-sinks is somewhat silly IMO.

I personally don't need any improvement of making HQ easier.
I just need the HQ stats to be worth crafting for.
There is no sense of accomplishment when you see everyone running around with HQ gears...

I don't even mind if HQ is make harder to get provided the stats improvement is worth it compared to current stats.

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We don't need easier HQ. The rate is fine the way it is now. If you mean all HQ material = HQ finished item or part, then that's very welcome.
Other than that, keep the current rate.

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Just to be fair they NERFED HQ HARDCORE when 1.20 was released. After 1.19 I could HQ nearly 50% of the time with really good materia'd gear going for max touchups then 1.20 and now its very very hard to HQ. I just want to see a noticable bonus to my HQ rate when I equip the best gear. I should be encouraged to wear the proper gear not just for a little bump in success but also for HQ hope this is incorporated in to the changes.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

We don't need easier HQ. The rate is fine the way it is now. If you mean all HQ material = HQ finished item or part, then that's very welcome.

Other than that, keep the current rate.

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The rate is fine, however, it is completelly RANDOM.

It makes no sense to HQ the same recipe with NQ materials with overall 35 Quality and get a NQ product with 500+ quality.

That is what they need to fix. If you take the time to farm HQ mats and craft more HQ mats out of them (which is random again) then you should be rewarded with a damn HQ final product.

Fix it SE, thanks.

To be frank, if HQ mats guarantee HQ product. Soon, you will see lot's of HQ around soon. Nothing special.
But that is just me.

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Originally Posted by urhryu

To be frank, if HQ mats guarantee HQ product. Soon, you will see lot's of HQ around soon. Nothing special.
But that is just me.

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Honestly, with the way the materia system works we'll NEED more HQ product in the market. It was fine in XI that HQs were super rare because once one was created, it only left the market if someone either quit the game and took it with them, or someone was banned with it. In order to keep them scarce, the number of them available had to be kept low via the crafting mechanics.

However, FFXIV has the materia system, where min/max-ers and endgame players are constantly blowing up 30+ items while hoping for a double meld. So yes, there will be a lot more HQ results floating around, but its the double+ melded HQs that fill that "special" role, as the majority of the base HQs are going to wind up exploding during melds anyway. It just makes sense from a risk vs reward vs unmeldable U/U balance standpoint to make the HQs easier to create because we're going to blow most of them up and immediately take them out of the market anyway. Double Meld HQ > U/U > Single Meld HQ ~= Double Meld Normal > Single Meld Normal seems like a pretty solid hierarchy of gear quality to me.

dont make it easier, just make it clear and worthwile to aim for

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Originally Posted by Lerend

Honestly, with the way the materia system works we'll NEED more HQ product in the market. It was fine in XI that HQs were super rare because once one was created, it only left the market if someone either quit the game and took it with them, or someone was banned with it. In order to keep them scarce, the number of them available had to be kept low via the crafting mechanics.

However, FFXIV has the materia system, where min/max-ers and endgame players are constantly blowing up 30+ items while hoping for a double meld. So yes, there will be a lot more HQ results floating around, but its the double+ melded HQs that fill that "special" role, as the majority of the base HQs are going to wind up exploding during melds anyway. It just makes sense from a risk vs reward vs unmeldable U/U balance standpoint to make the HQs easier to create because we're going to blow most of them up and immediately take them out of the market anyway. Double Meld HQ > U/U > Single Meld HQ ~= Double Meld Normal > Single Meld Normal seems like a pretty solid hierarchy of gear quality to me.

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Said it's just me, I prefer harder HQ (scarce) and double/triple meld (even harder).
If HQ is going to have better stats after patch 1.21 compared to the current broken one, then it should be harder or at least keep it the same as before, which makes more sense to me.

Unless we are talking about easier HQ final product with all HQ mats, but the HQ mats should be hard to procure, probably harder than current one. Those HQ mats that can be farmed are not consider hard imo.

I don't know if we want to see HQ mats = hq product. However I would like to see a much better correlation between 100+ quality when finished with a synth and well a HQ result. Using HQ mats would be the best way of getting that quality number up because you start with more durability.

Anyone who has sunk considerable amount of time into crafting knows the current system is just plain garbage. The RNG in the coding is a cruel joke:

- Crafting stats and compentency are, for the most part. ignored. I can achieve the same level of success with no crafting gear or SB gear as I can with my crafting gear.

- HQ results totally random. Quality 400, quality 400, quality 400 = 3 NQ. Quality 30 = HQ

- Totally broken abilities. I fail more often with abilities such as Greater Calling than I do with no abilities at all.

- A system designed to periodically go into what I call a 'rage mode' where all of a sudden you fail 6-8 attempts in a row, no matter what.

- A system that's designed with a higher failure rate, first attempt, on any of the new, meaningful 50+ recipes. I bet first attempt fails run near 70%, which is a lousy coding cop-out to limit HQ synths.

- A system that has zero regard for melding success, as it relates to crafting competency and gear.

- etc. etc.

I'm happy that SE is finally getting around to addressing this, since crafting is such a very large part of this game. I am concerned, however, where some of the changes seem to be going. For example, if HQ is solely going to be based on raw materials content, with no consideration given to compentency (read that level) and gear, imo, that's just not right. Specifically, if a level 35 crafter can HQ a level 40 recipe with the same success rate as a level 50, then I take issue with that.

I'm of the silly notion that success rate for basic NQ synths, HQ, melding, etc. should be very much affected by competency and gear, and while I clearly understand there is some need for RNG in the coding, until there is a direct relationship with this in the coding, crafting will continue to be a broken POS.

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

Tiger Girl, if possible could you give me a confirmation if what you mean with this:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

the rate in which finished goods result in HQ

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...is what Yoshida-san talked about last August after that looong analysis of mine (in this Topic here there're all the links) where I ultimately requested to have a system that rewards for your hard efforts in gathering HQ materials, ensuring the HQ result?

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

We are planning on implementing the HQ revamp in patch 1.20.
Until Patch 1.20 is released, the current specs for HQ items will be used. Also, in the new specs, HQ items will only be created if every ingredient used is HQ. We want to make sure that you will not experience a sense of futility when your synthesized item turns into NQ at the last moment.

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Is the “Work hard to get HQ materials and you will get a guaranteed HQ result” still confirmed?
That was the feature I was awaiting for the most in patch 1.20, but since it was postponed I'm really looking forward to it in 1.21. Also, it'll lessen a lot my inventory space, with all the old +3 materials I've saved up.

Thanks if you can confirm it. :)

Cloudio Onizuka, Tiger Mask no.1 fan :rolleyes:

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So, today was posted an update on the HQ mechanics, and I'm not sure I fully understood it. Therefore, I'd like to ask some clarifications, if possible:

• The percentage of HQ odds will be displayed during the whole synthesis process, increasing as the Quality increases, or only at the beginning or end of the synthesis?
  
  
• So... If I use all HQ materials, my starting Quality will be around 500 and if I've the crafter's equipment and use the abilities, it might increase by 300-600 points while I'm crafting.
  But how will this work exactly? Yes, of course, I don't have to craft naked :D, but how will the abilities need to be used? At my level, I only use 4 abilties. After 1.21, will I have to equip more of them and the more I use during synthesis, the more the Quality increases?

Also, since it's written:

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Actual figures are still under development. They may be adjusted or changed depending on feedback.

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I'd like to give my feedback on this.
If I use HQ materials and the Final Quality will be between 800–1.000, my odds of producing an HQ result will be between 50-100%, but if I use NQ materials the Final Quality will be between 300–600, granting odds of producing HQ between 0-10%.
Hmm... Something seems strange on this. Between 600 and 800 there're only 200 points of difference, so how is it possible that the odds might increase from 10% to 50%? Either you should lower the max Final Quality for Finished Items created using NQ materials, or increase the one for Finished Items done using HQ materials.
I'd also like to know how to exactly increase my odds to 100% and if it really depends on how many abilities I'll use.

I don't know if I misread something (I get confused when there're so many values), but it doesn't seem like if I use all HQ materials I'll be sure to get an HQ result, as originally stated. Actually (always if I understood correctly, please correct me in case), I might as well end up with a NQ item after using HQ ingredients, and there'll be a slim chance that if I Touch Up I'll lose the item as well.
I don't understand this, too:

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On a touch-up attempt, the odds of successfully producing an HQ item will be half of those on the initial attempt.

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What initial attempt is this referring to?


Again, I'm only trying to understand more.
Asking for a demonstrative video would be too much, so thanks reps if some further clarifications could be provided. :)

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

And what challenge is there sitting back and watching to see if the RNG smiles on you?

No, seriously, there is precious little 'skill' in the silly mini-games, they're simply long drawn-out version of the RNG rolls that took place while you watched a crystal spin in FFXI. Choosing which type of synth attempt to try may involve the use of a couple of brain cells which XI didn't, however the outcome is stil ENTIRELY down to the RNG, the player has no control over it AT ALL beyond this single decision.

Suggesting there's any 'challenge' here beyond the usual SE challenge to you to endure long tedious, time-sinks is somewhat silly IMO.

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What I meant is exactly what I said lol. Usually what happens is SE goes and revamps something and tends to make it a bit too easy. Example, the whole PL issue.

Yes there is no challenge to spamming standard but if that's ALL you're going to do than of course there is nothing to gain from it. If you take the time to use your abilities and care synth then yes you "might" get an HQ item.

There should be a toggle or option to use just standard grind synthing and the full mini-game for those wanting to actually try HQ synths.

I will give you only my understanding of things, Onizuka. But take into account that i'm not a crafter.

I do believe that your HQ chance will be shown during the whole process as Quality increases, but no proof on that.
On the matter of the small numbers throwing the chance of HQ high upwards it might be because it follows an exponential curve, rather than a logaritmic. That is, the difference of HQ chance between 10 Quality and 15 Quality is smaller than between 100 Quality and 105 Quality. Still follows a perfectly logical mathematical formula.

Also, i'm not used to knowing what 'Touch Up' is since I don't craft BUT! If Touching Up is something you can do at the end of the craft, then the chance of that being a success is half the chance of the item being HQ at the end of the crafting process. If Touching Up is something done after the item is already done, then most likely it's the chance it had to be HQ when it was crafted.

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Also, i'm not used to knowing what 'Touch Up' is since I don't craft BUT! If Touching Up is something you can do at the end of the craft, then the chance of that being a success is half the chance of the item being HQ at the end of the crafting process. If Touching Up is something done after the item is already done, then most likely it's the chance it had to be HQ when it was crafted.

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Yes 'Touch up' occurs after the item is completed and allows the crafter to take the chance of HQing said item. The issue has been with crafters, there doesn't seem to be a point at X quality (needed to HQ) that dictates to a crafter whether or not their synth WILL HQ. Some people have items they craft at 300+ Quality not HQ then same item at 160 Quality does. This is what has been frustrating most crafters.

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

So, today was posted an update on the HQ mechanics, and I'm not sure I fully understood it. Therefore, I'd like to ask some clarifications, if possible:

• The percentage of HQ odds will be displayed during the whole synthesis process, increasing as the Quality increases, or only at the beginning or end of the synthesis?
  
  
• So... If I use all HQ materials, my starting Quality will be around 500 and if I've the crafter's equipment and use the abilities, it might increase by 300-600 points while I'm crafting.
  But how will this work exactly? Yes, of course, I don't have to craft naked :D, but how will the abilities need to be used? At my level, I only use 4 abilties. After 1.21, will I have to equip more of them and the more I use during synthesis, the more the Quality increases?

Also, since it's written:



I'd like to give my feedback on this.
If I use HQ materials and the Final Quality will be between 800–1.000, my odds of producing an HQ result will be between 50-100%, but if I use NQ materials the Final Quality will be between 300–600, granting odds of producing HQ between 0-10%.
Hmm... Something seems strange on this. Between 600 and 800 there're only 200 points of difference, so how is it possible that the odds might increase from 10% to 50%? Either you should lower the max Final Quality for Finished Items created using NQ materials, or increase the one for Finished Items done using HQ materials.
I'd also like to know how to exactly increase my odds to 100% and if it really depends on how many abilities I'll use.

I don't know if I misread something (I get confused when there're so many values), but it doesn't seem like if I use all HQ materials I'll be sure to get an HQ result, as originally stated. Actually (always if I understood correctly, please correct me in case), I might as well end up with a NQ item after using HQ ingredients, and there'll be a slim chance that if I Touch Up I'll lose the item as well.
I don't understand this, too:



What initial attempt is this referring to?


Again, I'm only trying to understand more.
Asking for a demonstrative video would be too much, so thanks reps if some further clarifications could be provided. :)

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Firstly we need to know that synthesis quality result from 300-600 (0-10% HQ rate)
Which means that you can never hit the 800 mark using all NQ mats.
*Even with best success result, (let's say you hit max 600), only 10% HQ rate.
This simply means that HQ mats will be significantly better to result in HQ rather than the current one which many people are complaining about.

With all HQ mats (starting quality 500) + synthesis quality (300-600) = 800 -1100
*SE mentioned 800 - 1000 (50%-100% HQ rate)
which means the minimum chance you are getting HQ is already 50% even if you are crafting horribly with 300.
and bear in mind that there is given a 100 quality allowance for you to hit 100% HQ as you do not need to hit max 600 quality improvement during synthesis, just 500 will do (provided all HQ mats are used with starting quality of 500 resulting in 1000 end product)

As for the touch up, it will not be needed if you hit 1000 since you are getting HQ.
But in the case you are hitting 900 (75% HQ) chance after crafting (initial) and you still get a NQ, you are given a chance of risking on touch up for HQ. But the rate is now lower by 1/2 meaning 37.5% HQ or burst.