If we get a new Scion/Archon...What should he/she be like?

A thought occured to me today while watching Tao Okamoto mowing down people with a bow in Westworld. Out of all the main characters we have in FFXIV none of them use a bow. In fact the only promiment archer we had was the Ranger of Darkness. That got me thinking.
Now it is not very likely that we will encounter too many archers in Garlemald, but it did got me thinking about Papalymo's potential replacement in Gridanian affairs.
And that got me thinking how short on manpower the Scions are.
Currently:
Moenbryda - dead
Papalymo - dead
Ysayle - dead
Minfilia - in another dimension
Thancred - behind enemy lines
Alphinaud - Hanging out with the guy whose identity is obvious
Krile - Dealing with Eureka
Tataru- Off training Soroban and seducing Kugane's elite
Estinien - Does his own thing
Urianger - doing his own things as usual
Lyse - trying to not be like Yda and failing at it as she's still a silly monk girl
Gosetsu - off on a pilgrimage
Matoya - In her cave alone and being sassy
Yugiri - back with Hien and likely staying there.
Unukalhai - no damn idea but not with us that's for sure

So that leaves us with Y'shtola, Alisaie and maybe Garlond Ironworks if youknowhat hits the fan. Well even they have their hands full with omega. Oh and if Lyse decides to leave the Scions and be someone important in Ala Mhigo, we will have nobody to represent the Scions in Gridania.

So, yeah. We need more Scions/Archons. Question is: What kind of new Scion?
Gender, class, race?

I'm hoping a male Roegadyn that'll basically be this game's equivalent of Hiei/Vegeta. Total male tsundere through and through.

I'm not sure anyone could fill Minfillia's shoes, but yeah, I don't like how it was left with the Scions. I'd like to see them rebuilt.
So... I'd like to see a Thaumaturge for obvious reasons! Any race will do as long as it isn't a lalafell! There are far too many of that race with that class.

I would also love to see a Crimson Duelist (Red Mage)

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Originally Posted by Nabril

I'm not sure anyone could fill Minfillia's shoes, but yeah, I don't like how it was left with the Scions. I'd like to see them rebuilt.
So... I'd like to see a Thaumaturge for obvious reasons! Any race will do as long as it isn't a lalafell! There are far too many of that race with that class.

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All the more reason to include them. It means they know what they're doing :D

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Originally Posted by Nabril

I'm not sure anyone could fill Minfillia's shoes, but yeah, I don't like how it was left with the Scions. I'd like to see them rebuilt.
So... I'd like to see a Thaumaturge for obvious reasons! Any race will do as long as it isn't a lalafell! There are far too many of that race with that class.

I would also love to see a Crimson Duelist (Red Mage)

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What? What do you have against the Lala master race?

As for Minfilia? Her shoes are easy to fill as she was merely a figurehead with less practical uses than Queen Elizabeth. Her bra on the other hand is like way too big for every other NPC.

I am 100% certain it is a viera and she uses a bow and is just straight up badass!!! She will be introduced the closer to 5.0 we get.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

I am 100% certain it is a viera and she uses a bow and is just straight up badass!!! She will be introduced the closer to 5.0 we get.

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I would be fine with her. In fact that would be super awesome. Plus Viera are also from Othard so it would totally be like Hanaryo.
http://westworld.wikia.com/wiki/Hanaryo

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Originally Posted by Balipu

What? What do you have against the Lala master race?

As for Minfilia? Her shoes are easy to fill as she was merely a figurehead with less practical uses than Queen Elizabeth. Her bra on the other hand is like way too big for every other NPC.

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Minfillia is as much of an example of a good leader as Alphinaud is an example of a bad one. The Crystal Braves were a bad idea and I enjoyed giving them all a beating at the end of all of that. She led with grace, intelligence, and wisdom and she did it all without any fighting ability. That's my opinion. I am okay with you not agreeing with me :)

Queen Elizabeth is only in charge because the people let someone dictate who is "noble" and who is just a "peasant".

Estinien's not actually a Scion or anything but I am convinced he's going to make a reappearance as part of the actual main cast!

A male Raen.

They've been shafted pretty heavily in regards to there being none of prominence beyond some very minor characters.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

A male Raen.

They've been shafted pretty heavily in regards to there being none of prominence beyond some very minor characters.

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Yeah, maybe that warrior from the NIN quest line.

Also, it is a well known thing that raen men are better at shafting than being shafted.

It's about time we got more representation.

A Roegadyn that doesn't die.

A cocky mister smarty pants male Lalafell archer that more than backs up with what he says. Imagine a little speedy hamster ball flinging areas left and right and mowing all his enemies down while having a funny little thing to say every time he just shoots some slow slow lumbering turd in the forehead!

Any kind of Au Ra would be nice, though having a male Raen of some importance in particular would be good.

I kind of doubt we won't have a lot of support when 5.0 rolls around and we head off to Ilsabard/Garlemald, though. Doma is every bit as concerned with the Garlean matters as Ala Mhigo and the rest of Eorzea is, so I wouldn't be surprised if Hien convinced Yugiri to tag along and help the Scions again.

Someone who isn't the TV trope of doom. Pleasant & personable, perhaps sweet or charming, and actually efficient at their "job."

What we clearly need is a moogle scion.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

What we clearly need is a moogle scion.

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^ 1,000 times, yes!

Hmm... A mad scientist that views most people and situations as guinea pigs and builds things that are prone to explode?

a smartmouthed asshole that usually does the right thing while pissing everyone off?

A drunken moogle that is actually has a unique soulstone making him a mogknight jobclass?

A wanderer that can hear the whispers of the elements, sprits, kami, etc and in tune with the world's flow of aether that is prone to being where they are needed at the right time?

A stranger from another world with 6 arms that proclaims you to be a failure as the warrior of light and compares you to the stories of other warriors of light from the worlds he has visited... only 14 other chapters not counting spin offs, sequels, and sidestories… >.>

Someone who isn't a cutesy lalafell. ... and that comes from someone who plays as a lala.
I miss Moenbryda.
As they are right now the scions that are left feel like they have no chemistry. Everyone kinda does their own thing. I didn't think I'd ever say that but I miss their ARR personalities. If we don't count Minfilia calling you to the dang waking sands every 2 quests, the group was like your RPG party and it just felt nice having an HQ and seeing them hang out there and share a silly line or two.

We need another amazonian FemRoe goddess.

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Someone who isn't a cutesy lalafell. ... and that comes from someone who plays as a lala.
I miss Moenbryda.
As they are right now the scions that are left feel like they have no chemistry. Everyone kinda does their own thing. I didn't think I'd ever say that but I miss their ARR personalities. If we don't count Minfilia calling you to the dang waking sands every 2 quests, the group was like your RPG party and it just felt nice having an HQ and seeing them hang out there and share a silly line or two.

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The chemistry part is usually during the x.0 era. Like in 3.0 where we explored Dravania with Ysayle, Estinien and Alphinaud. And again in 4.0 with Alisaie and Lyse when we were on the hunt for Yugiri and Gosetsu in Othard. After that though they just stop acting as your partners for the rest of the expansion.

This thread got me thinking too, Ysayle had her own Crystal of Light. Specifically one aspected to Ice.

What if there were other people with the Blessing of Light out there that had their own singular Crystals as well? Surely Ysayle couldn't have been a sole exception. I mean, there's a high chance that the samurai that helped out the Four Lords probably had the Blessing too, though he's dead (as far as we know). I imagine there's one roaming around somewhere inside Imperial territory, or in another nation.

I believe Aranvald has the blessing, or it becoming implied. These past 2 patches were in Doma so he wasn't involved, but he was pushed forward a lot in the 4.1 story.

As for a new Scion, or a new main character in general, we need a male miqo'te, that is the only gender/race that hasn't been a main character yet. All of the others have been.

Really I'm at the stage I'd rather just see the whole organization abolished completely and instead have it revert back to their original form as the Path of the Twelve (with the Archons as advisers).

Frankly the whole 'united Path of the Twelve/Circle of Knowing' experiment and a shift in focus away from the Echo to studying/defeating the Primals has not worked in-universe, unlike the previous groups which were very secretive and exclusive by design, the Scions being more open has only resulted in constant betrayals and attacks on their members (on more than one occasion they've been brought almost to the brink of complete destruction), and the body count of the members lost in the constant conflicts has been ridiculously high.

Unlike the Path where the veil of secrecy ensured at least that most members were, generally, more protected. As it is the Scions even barely exist as an organization now, merely a loosely connected network of scholars and adventurers - they don't even have a dedicated leader anymore since Minfilia's... apotheosis!

So perhaps it's now time to bring the axe down on it for good and restore the Path.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

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If you read the four lords story you would know Tenzen had the blessing of light. The reason Byakko/Genbu are like the way they are is because they were exposed to crystals of light which made them super Auspices compared to the others.

To be honest wouldn't surprise me there aren't many people with Crystals of Light. These crystals are attuned very heavily to the astral spectrum when it comes to elements in FFXIV so they wouldn't be easy to come by. They have also reduced in size, Matoya uses one as a "crystal ball" and it's one of the oldest that we know of when it comes to Crystals of Light. Comparing that one to ours you can clearly see the difference of what Hydaelyn can do now so I think she is being a lot more cautious when it comes to making them.

Also the reason why the Scions are all spread out now is basically because everyone agreed they don't really need a leader in order to work towards a common goal so they all just do their own thing now and when the time comes when they need to gather they will gather so I don't think a new scion needs to join. We have enough as it is.

M'naago and Cirina are both archers, although we haven't really seen them fight directly.

Either way, I find it hard to justify a new Scion when the organization itself at this point is basically another branch of the Eorzean military that behaves more like a special task force. I imagine that if we catch up with Alphinaud later on, we're going to be introduced to another organization entirely, one closer to the politics of the rest of the known world. Indeed, Arvenald is already being set up as someone that will hold the fort down when the WoL is no longer able to keep a watchful eye on Eorzean affairs.

I honestly do not want any other Scion.


We had amazing characters (Moenbryda, Iceheart and others) that were killed or sent away for basically no reason while we drag on characters like freaking Urianger and Thancred who completely lost their original appeal, at least to me. On the other hand, my now precious boi Alphi has grown a lot and I myself grew to appreciate his character along with Alisaie, which are good examples of chemistry and development of characters. Same goes for a lot of secondary characters who I thought were far better than the "main cast".


Now, do we really need to keep dragging on the 1.0 storyline like this? It seems to me like the Empire, the Ascians and the Scions situation will never stop and will hurt the overall story experience in the long run. I hope the next expansion will bring a resolution to this mess so we can move on to an experience that is more original and truly unique to the current XIV.

ill agree with the male roe for Scion
Roes in general dont get much story attention
Merlwyb hasn't done much since leviathon and Moenbryda died

most you see of them is Maelstrom related side quest or the warrior quest line
i guess there is Gosetsu

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I believe Aranvald has the blessing, or it becoming implied. These past 2 patches were in Doma so he wasn't involved, but he was pushed forward a lot in the 4.1 story.

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Arenvald seems to only have the echo. I am not sure where its implied to have more than that? (Just curious) The blessing is something that you get through crystals of lights and I am quite sure that a scion (for example Ysthola) would have commented that he has one.


As on topic: I dont care about race or gender. I just want a scion that has a great character. Kinda like Moenbryda but without the "having to die so that we can be hit with some dramatic scene-part.

In the end I also would be fine if we leave the scions behind with 5.0 and just travel alone for a while. Honestly my character just sticks with them thanks to the twins.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I believe Aranvald has the blessing, or it becoming implied. These past 2 patches were in Doma so he wasn't involved, but he was pushed forward a lot in the 4.1 story.

As for a new Scion, or a new main character in general, we need a male miqo'te, that is the only gender/race that hasn't been a main character yet. All of the others have been.

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Aranvald only has the Echo. The only person who has the Blessing of Light is the Warrior of Light. In order to get the Blessing of Light you need to obtain Crystals of Light.

You should really poke your head into the waking sands or rising stone, place is full of scions we just haven't had to talk to them through the msq yet. Take Aranvald for instance, that guy got recruited into the scions right before us and we only started talking to him via the msq in 4.0/4.1.

Oh...

What if they brought Maat back from ffxi as a scion

Even if its just to fight you on every job class in order to earn his hat :P

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Originally Posted by Balipu

What? What do you have against the Lala master race?

As for Minfilia? Her shoes are easy to fill as she was merely a figurehead with less practical uses than Queen Elizabeth. Her bra on the other hand is like way too big for every other NPC.

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Minfilia and F'lhaminn was the canon V1.00 connection to the 2.0 game. Thancred, Y'shtola and Yda&Papalymo basically got upgraded to Angst, Blind, Dead and Dead. Also don't forget everyone who died just before Cid is re-discovered.

The problem I see is that the game can't really introduce anyone else as it cuts screen time (and voice acting budget) from the rest of the cast. That's why the job quests have no voice acting. Unless another race is found, anyone else with the "echo" is likely to not be discovered within Eorzea or Othard. The way the Au ra race was introduced into the game (by having Yugiri masked) was at best clumsy.

And I'm still annoyed how Papalymo was thrown under the bus, it didn't feel like a dramatic sacrifice, it felt like "I was fired".

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

Someone who isn't the TV trope of doom. Pleasant & personable, perhaps sweet or charming, and actually efficient at their "job."

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Will not be surprised if that person is a Garlean.

Probably meet this person as a unintended enemy because of forced conscription due to a greedy garlean noble but as we spy on the camp where this person is located disguised as a garlean we get to see a bit more on the division between garleans on things through the military rank stand point while getting to know the person a bit along with his or her commanding officer who is also on the peace faction side (and not in good terms with the garlean noble that commands their group).

(and probably help this person and his captain, while still disguised as a Garlean soldier, beat up this greedy garlean noble because this garlean noble thought he could get away with murdering their comrades and prisoners of war just because he thinks those people were lower than him due to garlean social status)

We know Garlean Empire is also dealing with their own "nobility vs commoner" status as well from the 3.0 allied beast tribe and I would not be surprised if certain Garlean Nobles get most of their solders from conscriptions even on other Garleans of lower social status.

Wouldn't mind Male Au Ra Raen
Garlean
Highlander

Really don't want another Fem Roe, cos I feel like the writers wouldn't know what to do with her.

If theres ever a time travelling expansion set in the past...I'd rather have Moenbryda become a main character there.