Has a PUG ever beat UcoB yet?

8 people completely through PF..

Is your criteria that all 8 players not know each other beforehand?

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Is your criteria that all 8 players not know each other beforehand?

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No, 8 complete strangers

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

I pugged my way to Bahamut on a couple of occasions and never had a consistent group of my own to actually progress with, but I suspect more would take a much more substantial time investment from a fairly regular pool of people which kind of blurs the line between PUG and Static really. Replacing even one person usually costs quite a significant amount of time in terms of progression all of which makes getting that first kill as a pug rather unlikely.

However, there's a fairly limited variance in strats, so TBH I do imagine that it is killable with a full on PF PUG, however you'd need to get fairly lucky and land 8 people with extensive experience, multiple prior kills and plenty of time to endure the inevitable wipes as people adjust to each other.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

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The people playing in the Japanese datacenter are also much better players and higher quality then the players on the NA/EU datacenter.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

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That would be Savage, not Ultimate. There has been no recorded pug Ultimate clear, though both JP and NA have made good progress. What winds up happening is those pugs turn into a static or join one later on. Once mostly the same people meet for several lockouts, it really isn't a pug anymore.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

The people playing in the Japanese datacenter are also much better players and higher quality then the players on the NA/EU datacenter.

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This is pure nonsense. JP has more patience for poor play and adopts very rigid "safe" strategies. NA prioritizes uptime and cheesing mechanics. They also are far less tolerant of bad players. It boils down to a cultural difference. JP sees people mess up as a group failure regardless of their own performance whereas NA is individualistic.

Many people from JP servers have commented on reddit the raid pool isn't nearly as good as unofficial censuses make it seem; some have suggested NA has better top tier raiders.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is pure nonsense. JP has more patience for poor play and adopts very rigid "safe" strategies. NA prioritizes uptime and cheesing mechanics. They also are far less tolerant of bad players. It boils down to a cultural difference. JP sees people mess up as a group failure regardless of their own performance whereas NA is individualistic.

Many people from JP servers have commented on reddit the raid pool isn't nearly as good as unofficial censuses make it seem; some have suggested NA has better top tier raiders.

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I mean top tier players is one thing, but having 7x the clear rate of NA is something else. It's not like people just go at UCoB for a few weeks and then just give up.

I think the issue is less NA players raid, probably. Like one of the odd things in this game is how little pressure there is to do savage. I don't mean forcing, but in other games if you hit cap a lot of times people tend to ask if you do endgame and try and get you to do it. And if you look on pf, there's really a tiny amount of pugs at one time for any hard endgame instance. On primal its like it rarely gets past two pages total, and maybe 30ish-40ish requests for the whole data center in a period of time or so. It might just be there's more expectation of JP players to do endgame and they compensate for that, rather than just having 8 people in your FC raid and no one cares about anyone else.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I think the issue is less NA players raid, probably. Like one of the odd things in this game is how little pressure there is to do savage. I don't mean forcing, but in other games if you hit cap a lot of times people tend to ask if you do endgame and try and get you to do it. And if you look on pf, there's really a tiny amount of pugs at one time for any hard endgame instance. On primal its like it rarely gets past two pages total, and maybe 30ish-40ish requests for the whole data center in a period of time or so. It might just be there's more expectation of JP players to do endgame and they compensate for that, rather than just having 8 people in your FC raid and no one cares about anyone else.

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I believe there was something I read in the past that said JP tends to look at Savage as the next sort of content challenge, and the playerbase tends to feel compelled to take up said challenge. Where as NA/EU just flat out don't do the content. Could also be there is more desire amongst JP players to do higher-end content where as NA/EU do not have that sort of interest.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I mean top tier players is one thing, but having 7x the clear rate of NA is something else. It's not like people just go at UCoB for a few weeks and then just give up.

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Both HyoMin and Riyah (we actually agree for once!) summarized it more or less. A perfect example of this would be Eureka. Apparently, a frequent complaint in JP was them having nothing to level due to maxing out every job quickly as that's considered progression. While plenty of NA/EU players do the same, myself included, far more see that as a "boring grind." Hence why Eureka was appreciated more in JP than NA/EU, at least initially.

Is that to say NA raiders are all good? Absolutely not. I would still wager JP probably has more overall, but the numbers aren't nearly as skewed.

Like other said nope, more so becuase of the lack of raiding on the NA/EU server...I've gotten serverly close with a PUG but no win so I'm definitely doing the static thing for the next one...lol just want more stability and to be able to have faith in the other players