Glamour: isn't this what we wanted?

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IF it is I can finally glam every job differently, thank you devs!

It's basically the Change Job + Equip Plate macro without needing to make the macro.

You'll still need a plate set up for each job you're linking to, so unless they're increasing the number of plates it still won't be a complete solution (yet). But definitely a partial one, and hopefully what we don't get now will be coming later.

Also I expect it will still just be a shortcut to applying 'permanent' glamours when you equip the gearset, back and forth each time you equip different sets using the same gear. Basically an official version of the switch macros people have been using so far.

It's unlikely to be a temporary overlay - that's what everyone was expecting from the original release and it turned out to not work that way. So just be aware of that and don't accidentally glamour over rare dyes or something (like people were having issues with at the original release of the plate system from misunderstanding how it worked).

Also if the "only works in cities" restriction still applies, it's probably not much good for gathering classes if you want those to be seperate. Might be quite good for crafters though, depending on how many plates you're willing to dedicate to them.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Also if the "only works in cities" restriction still applies, it's probably not much good for gathering classes if you want those to be seperate. Might be quite good for crafters though, depending on how many plates you're willing to dedicate to them.

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Yes, the restriction "only works in cities" still applies. It's laid out in the patch notes. Still, I'm happy to have this.

It's nothing that wasn't already available via macros, and the glamour will only apply if you're in an approved place for switching plates. If you're at a hunt and you want to change from SMN to RDM, for example, the glam will not change, it will keep the look of your SMN's outfit.

Still it's an improvement. I'm on PS4 and macros can be a annoying. It shows that they are moving in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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IF it is I can finally glam every job differently, thank you devs!

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If the number of plates are expanded, this is a decent addition.

If the Link process is restricted to cities, but the gearset switch can trigger the linked plate anywhere in the world, this is a great addition.

If both of these things are true, it's 99% of the way to 'what we wanted'.

However, I greatly fear that neither of these things are true, which means this is a mild improvement made to spare people from macros.

There just aren't enough plates though. If you want to have different glamours for say, 4 combat jobs, all 8 DoH, and a DoL outfit, well that's way over the limit of 10 they give you. Ridiculous.

I'm quite new to the dresser, and am hoping someone can let me know if I'm missing something obvious.

For my 3 DoL, I wanted to use the appearance of the actual gear on my botanist, and then outfits for the other two. Is there any way to make a "blank" plate so to speak, so that way I don't have to constantly waste glamour dispellers to remove the plate from my botanist?

I noticed the patch notes mention that you will still need to have enough glamour dispellers in order to remove the items, so I'm not overly optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I'm quite new to the dresser, and am hoping someone can let me know if I'm missing something obvious.

For my 3 DoL, I wanted to use the appearance of the actual gear on my botanist, and then outfits for the other two. Is there any way to make a "blank" plate so to speak, so that way I don't have to constantly waste glamour dispellers to remove the plate from my botanist?

I noticed the patch notes mention that you will still need to have enough glamour dispellers in order to remove the items, so I'm not overly optimistic.

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Well you could set up a plate with non DoL gear. That would overwrite the botany glamour but it wouldn't show up on miner or fisher

I wanted a Glamour Log, where we could add every glamour of the game as a collection, something like "Trove".
I hope Glamour dresser reaches this level of gameplay

People will alwayd complain this is a good step
No matter how many plates we get people will always want more

They'll probably roll out the ability to do this outside cities as well, like how changing classes stopped wrecking your cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

People will alwayd complain this is a good step
No matter how many plates we get people will always want more

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When you compare this to other current game with unlimited glamour options, this is incredibly clunky and incomplete. Even XI handles glamouring better than XIV.

Still can't have job specific glamours unless I do nothing other than sit in a city. So I don't see what changed. The ability to remove items from the dresser at least has a functional purpose such as bypassing the limits on the number of plates and glamouring locations.

They flat out said that the glamour system as it is now, pre-patch, was the first step to the new glamour system. Which with the plates and dresser is way better then before.
But I would have taken 5 to 10 more plates this update rather then the ability to remove items from the dresser. But I tend to only put items in the dresser that I might use or are special ones.
At least glamours can be tied to the gear sets this time. But yes more plates.

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Originally Posted by Kayiko

They flat out said that the glamour system as it is now, pre-patch, was the first step to the new glamour system. Which with the plates and dresser is way better then before.
But I would have taken 5 to 10 more plates this update rather then the ability to remove items from the dresser. But I tend to only put items in the dresser that I might use or are special ones.
At least glamours can be tied to the gear sets this time. But yes more plates.

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You could already use glamour plates with gearsets, with something like /gs change 5 3

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Originally Posted by Aurturia

Well you could set up a plate with non DoL gear. That would overwrite the botany glamour but it wouldn't show up on miner or fisher

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Deliberately applying incompatible glamours to reveal the original gear? That is a really clever idea that I haven’t seen suggested elsewhere!

I think if you do that you can also apply dye to the ‘failing’ glamour and it will display the underlying gear with the dye applied to it.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

No matter how many plates we get people will always want more

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There's a bit of a difference, though, between wanting more because we cannot currently use the feature for job switching, since they don't cover the number of jobs we use, versus wanting more just for general variation. The game has 26 jobs, so that's the minimum number of plates we'd need in order to use them for switching between those jobs. And yes, it would be good to have a few extra, but how many extras isn't as important as getting the first 26, and we aren't even half-way to that minimum yet.

In the meantime, the closest we can come is picking a category. I'm going with crafting, since I do that in town or at my house anyway, so it avoids the other troublesome limitation of where we can use the plates. But using eight of my plates for crafting classes means I can't also separate combat or DoL glamours. (Other people are clearly picking other categories, as I've seen a lot more people wearing AF gear since the dresser was introduced than I used to see. It's nice to see some of the best gear of the game getting more use. :))

I do like that they enabled removal of the items from the dresser. That was a good improvement. Even though we can still only store a few items there at a time, at least we can swap them back and forth between the dresser and the retainer who's holding the rest of our glamour gear. So it's gone from impossible to use without just throwing all our glamour away on a one-shot use, to simply being cumbersome.

I am very new to the glamour dresser. The main classes I play are healers and i'm hoping to have a different outfit for all three healers. If i wanted to glam the white mage anemos set for my whm and use two other different glamour sets for my Sch and Ast what would be the best way to go about doing that?

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Originally Posted by Aurturia

Well you could set up a plate with non DoL gear. That would overwrite the botany glamour but it wouldn't show up on miner or fisher

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Deliberately applying incompatible glamours to reveal the original gear? That is a really clever idea that I haven’t seen suggested elsewhere!

I think if you do that you can also apply dye to the ‘failing’ glamour and it will display the underlying gear with the dye applied to it.

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Thank you both! I wasn't reading the original suggestion correctly, so I'm glad you quoted her again, Iscah :)


Quick update: Seems this doesn't work :( It will grab the last usuable glamour plate that was attached to the shared gear. Good idea though!

@Skivvy

Would it be possible to put your gathering gear in the dresser, create a set with the right look and then remove it from the dresser again?
I was able to do something similar by putting the ala mihigan earrings in the armoire, and when I took it back out of the armoire the glamour plate still worked as it should.
This might be a problem if you have materia attached though... as a last resort you could get duplicate items to store in the dresser

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

I am very new to the glamour dresser. The main classes I play are healers and i'm hoping to have a different outfit for all three healers. If i wanted to glam the white mage anemos set for my whm and use two other different glamour sets for my Sch and Ast what would be the best way to go about doing that?

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• Put all the items whose appearance you want for any of the three into either the Glamour Dresser or Armoire, with the exception of any that are your BiS items you'll be wearing directly. Also include at least one outfit that healers cannot wear (a cheap low-level DoW set will suffice if you don't already have non-healer AF in the armoire).
• From the Glamour Dresser, click "Edit Glamour Plates" at the bottom of the window. Pick one of the 10 plates, and you can choose from among the gear in the dresser and armoire to put together an outfit.
• When putting together an outfit, on any slots where you'll want your equipped gear's default appearance, use Aurturia's clever trick of placing a DoW-only item (or caster/DoH/DoL-only, whatever, so long as it's not equippable by healers).
• Move on to a second and third plate to put together other outfits for your other healer jobs.
• Exit the dresser and bring up your Gear Set list. Right-clicking a gear set should bring up a new sub-command option for "Link to Glamour Plate". Use that to assign the glamour plates you just set up for them to your WHM, SCH, and AST gear sets.
• Note: In order for your appearance to change correctly, you'll need to be in town when you switch jobs. (Well, the full list is: within cities, the Gold Saucer, residential areas, inns, and the Ivory Chapel.) Glamour plates still don't work in the field.

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

@Skivvy

Would it be possible to put your gathering gear in the dresser, create a set with the right look and then remove it from the dresser again?
I was able to do something similar by putting the ala mihigan earrings in the armoire, and when I took it back out of the armoire the glamour plate still worked as it should.
This might be a problem if you have materia attached though... as a last resort you could get duplicate items to store in the dresser

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That worked, thank you!!

Also, sorry to have taken over this thread with my lack of glamour dresser know-how. I do appreciate the tips though :)

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Originally Posted by Duskane

People will alwayd complain this is a good step
No matter how many plates we get people will always want more

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Are we giving out partial credit now? Gold stars for failing slightly less spectacularly? As Skivvy pointed out, the Glamour system in FFXIV - both the old and the new - are incredibly clunky compared to Glamour systems present in other MMOs, from F2P ones like GW2 to subscription-based titles like WoW and FFXIV's own predecessor. SE needs to be aiming for at least a C, not a slightly higher F.

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Originally Posted by Kayiko

They flat out said that the glamour system as it is now, pre-patch, was the first step to the new glamour system. Which with the plates and dresser is way better then before.
But I would have taken 5 to 10 more plates this update rather then the ability to remove items from the dresser. But I tend to only put items in the dresser that I might use or are special ones.
At least glamours can be tied to the gear sets this time. But yes more plates.

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The pre-4.3 system is different, but it's not better. It trades restrictions, alleviating inventory space requirements at the cost of Glamour-wherever functionality. Whether or not people find it better depends upon their needs. Personally, I still haven't touched the Glamour dresser, because it's flatly inferior for my purposes. It doesn't give me enough Plates to Glamour the other jobs I'd like to Glamour (DoH / DoL), and my current Glamour needs don't overwhelm my inventory space. So for me, it imposes only a flexibility penalty.

Speaking personally, I also very much wonder why on earth SE isn't able to build this system out more fully right from the get-go. They aren't exactly adding on 'oh, nice to have' convenience features right now; they're still building out core required functionality. I'm not sure why they aren't making more progress on these sort of technical improvements to FFXIV - legacy crap, too small a team, bad management, whatever - but I also don't really care. They need to figure out how to get things mostly right the first time with new content and systems, rather than releasing the equivalent of barely-functional concepts and then slowly fleshing them out over the next year or two.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

That worked, thank you!!

Also, sorry to have taken over this thread with my lack of glamour dresser know-how. I do appreciate the tips though :)

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Yay glad it worked!

Would this trick let me equip DOH/DOL glamour on DOW/DOM? Not sure I get how this new trick works.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Would this trick let me equip DOH/DOL glamour on DOW/DOM? Not sure I get how this new trick works.

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No, unfortunately restrictions on which glams can be seen still applies to the dresser

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Originally Posted by Duskane

People will alwayd complain this is a good step
No matter how many plates we get people will always want more

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And they have every right in this instance. Virtually every other MMO has a superior glamour system to FFXIV yet we have the mess they've only just started fixing after four years. And what is their first fix? Removing a restriction anyone who took five seconds to beta test would have told them "destroying items is a colossally stupid idea." I had at least hoped linking plates to gearsets would lock the aesthetic to only that specific gearset. Alas, it still saves over pre-existing glamours. They literally did nothing more than make a system macros already did.