Please increase the roulette EXP bonus for Castrum Meridianum

I don't mind the unskippable cut scenes for the two MSQ dungeons, and I appreciate the additional tomestone rewards.

However, I have a issue with Castrum in the roulette.
Currently, the bonus experience is only around 55% of that offered from the Pretorium.

Praetorium is about 15 minutes longer to run, but the cut scenes are actually paced well enough so I can perform tasks in real life; such as laundry.

Not to mention, Castrum is way more difficult - it at least punishes you for mistakes and requires to actually defeat most mobs.

As of now, I run the MSQ roulette but back out if I end up with Castrum - unless there are several newcomers in the party.

I haven't done these in forever, so I'm not 100% on this, but for most leveling the content the bonus at the end is scaled based on the potential XP in the dungeon. I.e. you're lvl 62 so you are going to get roughly 2m xp total, the dungeon has a possible 500k, so you get a 1.5m bonus. If the dungeon has a possible 1.5m, you would get a 500k bonus. Just a theory as I barely remember either dungeon. 45% difference seems extreme.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

I haven't done these in forever, so I'm not 100% on this, but for most leveling the content the bonus at the end is scaled based on the potential XP in the dungeon. I.e. you're lvl 62 so you are going to get roughly 2m xp total, the dungeon has a possible 500k, so you get a 1.5m bonus. If the dungeon has a possible 1.5m, you would get a 500k bonus. Just a theory as I barely remember either dungeon. 45% difference seems extreme.

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I understand what you mean, but I can confirm this - I've tested it out several times on several characters.

I might be a bit off and the experience bonus might be closer to just over 60% of Prae, but the difference is indeed pretty significant.

I feel like praetorium needs more rewards since it’s so much longer. I heave a sigh of relief when I get castrum. Yeah I could do other things while cutscenes play, amd I do,but I would rather actually be playing the game I logged in to play amd not stuck in an hour long cutscene. I also didn’t realize the difference was only about 15 minutes. I guess for me shorter snippets of cut scene with more battle and/or moving around in between feels better and makes it feel sooooo much shorter.

I’ve considered leaving when praetorium comes up, but it wouldn’t be worth it for me since I’m usually in the queue over a half hour. And the only reason I find myself in this situation at all is because sadly that roulette is the quickest way for me to get poetics on my lower level alt.

If anything, they need to make the Gil earned from both the Daily Roulette and Adventurer in Need bonuses higher. At least equal or more than Leveling Roulette IMO.

I'm fine with correcting the XP disparity, but I think the additional Tomestone rewards are f***ing ridiculous. SE screwed up royally when they started forcing everyone to watch the cutscenes, and now they're just shamelessly bribing people to bail them out. They have more of a Tomestone reward than literally any other piece of content in the game - and they're also one of the easiest runs to make from a skill perspective. How is this sensible?

SE, go back and fix the dungeons properly: correct your insanely stupid decision to include so many mid-dungeon cutscenes. Then there won't be an issue anymore.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I'm fine with correcting the XP disparity, but I think the additional Tomestone rewards are f***ing ridiculous. SE screwed up royally when they started forcing everyone to watch the cutscenes, and now they're just shamelessly bribing people to bail them out. They have more of a Tomestone reward than literally any other piece of content in the game - and they're also one of the easiest runs to make from a skill perspective. How is this sensible?

SE, go back and fix the dungeons properly: correct your insanely stupid decision to include so many mid-dungeon cutscenes. Then there won't be an issue anymore.

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Well people want rewards this, rewards that. If there aren't any rewards worth it, why would people run said content? The main issue is how to scale the rewards worth the time and effort in MS Roulette.

And can't go wrong with doing things the easier way *looks at all the people still queuing for EX primals in Duty Finder today.

They went from 200 Poetics to

300 Allagan tomestones of poetics
100 Allagan tomestones of creation
50 Allagan tomestones of mendacity

I'm starting to think you people are just flat masochistic and refusing to accept the fact that no one is forcing you to run them.
If you don't like it...do something else.

The EXP is fine...considering what you do and what's involved. Assuming you don't skip anything and blow through like a freight train like most do.

Honestly I only run them if I have time to do so or I have sprouts who want to clear it, and I do it unsynched. Why? So we don't have to wait for the queue, they still learn mechanics, its still a challenge (with 2 to 3 people one of which is a 70 the others 50) and quite fun. EXP? Nope...obviously. But there are far more productive ways to get EXP.

Firstly, there shouldn't be any "unskippable cut-scene" to begin with. They are incentivating players to replay super old content, where players should be incentivated to play todays content. Look at it, 300 poetics, 100 creation, 50 mendacity? It's the best roullete atm. Castrum is 27 min, and Praetorium is 47 min, it's just too much precious time to waste with super old content and NOT FUN content. Now players will run it even if there's no new players. And if we just keep chosing to not do it, they will keep increasing the rewards untill it's completely broken. They should revert it back.

They think players drop the game at level 50 because they could not watch the cutscene and feel the story, but the truth is "too much filler quests", 288 MSQ from 1 to 50 it's just too much obrigatory content.

I will keep not doing it, no matter what the rewards. Whatever costs my fun, it costs too much.

EXP earned X2 (mob and roulette), tomes earned Poetics 500, Creation 400, mendacity 250, Allied/centurio seals +50.

Crazy? Yep...worth it? well, for 1h of garbage content, im pretty sure more people would do it.

When the unskippable cutscenes were introduced, people said the rewards should be higher to make it worthwhile.

SE listened to that, increased the rewards, and are now being accused of bribing people to run it?

The phrase “damned if they do, damned if they don’t” comes to mind...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

When the unskippable cutscenes were introduced, people said the rewards should be higher to make it worthwhile.

SE listened to that, increased the rewards, and are now being accused of bribing people to run it?

The phrase “damned if they do, damned if they don’t” comes to mind...

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This is the second time they are increasing it after the cutscene change though.

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4.2

To ensure new players are able to enjoy the cutscenes in Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium, all cutscenes in these dungeons can no longer be skipped.

Because this will increase the time required to complete these dungeons, completion rewards and Duty Roulette bonuses for these duties have been increased.

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Don't know about you but if people are complaining the rewards aren't worth it then they are probably there for the rewards.

TBH roulettes other than the one for the weekly cap tome in general always seemed like they were bribing people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do just like the first two relics, WT, tank mounts and the garo pvp event.

I think people forget.. and I'm pretty sure the whole purpose of msq roulette is to make sure new players are able to even progress their storys, imagine if they removed steps of faith from the trials roulette.
And no, most level 50 sprouts won't ask a random level 70 or mentor to help them clear this stuff infact.. during my low level days I found max levelled players to be intimidating especially the 1's with Crowns next to their name because I don't want to bother them with none level 70 stuff (newbie knowledge)

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Originally Posted by Vaer

This is the second time they are increasing it after the cutscene change though.

[4.2 patch notes quote]

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I don't think changing the rewards alongside introducing the cutscene change counts as changing it "after" though. Of course they raised the compensation because they were making a change that would take more of players' time! And since then, players have told them that the reward isn't enough, so they've responded to that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

When the unskippable cutscenes were introduced, people said the rewards should be higher to make it worthwhile.

SE listened to that, increased the rewards, and are now being accused of bribing people to run it?

The phrase “damned if they do, damned if they don’t” comes to mind...

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The "damned if you do, damned if you don't" reasoning only applies if one accepts the premise that SE's ill-conceived 'fix' for the MSQ content is an irreversible necessity. I suspect many people don't accept that premise, and I count myself among them.

SE needs to fix the issue properly. Eliminate the cutscenes, or introduce NPC companions and shift the dungeons to solo instances. I really don't care which; either solution works. But they need to stop doubling-down on a mistake dating back to ARR's original release date.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

I haven't done these in forever

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I did it once and stopped running them the cut scene thing went overboard people asking for same thing on towers if that happens I'll say good bye to those as well or just quit all together cause if that became the norm of the game.

This is no longer you in control it is the game playing you.

its like going out to eat, if you don't like pea's but the cook is forcing you to eat them and you cannot do anything to stop them, would you go back?

then others on forums are like you don't have to go in there if you don't like it, yes I don't and I have stopped but giving my opinion just like everyone else has theirs.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

then others on forums are like you don't have to go in there if you don't like it, yes I don't and I have stopped but giving my opinion just like everyone else has theirs.

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Irony is that the more people stop running CM/Prae because of people saying "If you don't like it, don't do it" - the higher those queue times will go. They were already pretty bad before the unskippable cutscenes... far as I've heard, they've gotten even worse and just continue to be getting ridiculous the longer things stay like this.

But I suppose if people and SE want queue times to utterly plummet for that content (content which completely gates people from progressing the MSQ and thus progressing the game entirely... unless you buy jump potions and skip all of it), then they can have at it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't think changing the rewards alongside introducing the cutscene change counts as changing it "after" though. Of course they raised the compensation because they were making a change that would take more of players' time! And since then, players have told them that the reward isn't enough, so they've responded to that.

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To each their own I guess. I have a different take on it since the players complaining about the rewards wouldn't do it otherwise and still won't since it isn't worth the cutscene time. Just like OP.

They've messed with the rewards for MSQ other times (due to newbies complaining about queue times) increasing the reward before they even put in the non cutscene skipping which is ironically what made people start doing it and rushing through it in the first place making this "newbies left behind" problem worse.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

To each their own I guess. They've messed with the rewards for MSQ multiple times increasing the reward before they even put in the non cutscene skipping which is ironically what made people start doing it and rushing through it in the first place making this "newbies left behind" problem worse.

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People didn't want to do these dungeons even before the unskippable cutscenes until SE threw us carrots on a stick. That in itself should have signaled to them that the better solution would be reworking those two into solo instances with npc companions. But they take the lazy way out, as is typical of the company nowadays - and now newbies are paying for it even worse than before, in the form of insane queue times.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

Look at it, 300 poetics, 100 creation, 50 mendacity? It's the best roullete atm. Castrum is 27 min, and Praetorium is 47 min

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Uh, no. I can do an Expert Roulette in twelve minutes and walk away with upwards of 140 Creation and 90 Mendacity. Poetics are only useful if you have other jobs to level and need gear or are doing relics. Regardless, the whole roulette exists for new players to enjoy the story. You have plenty more ways to cap and level if you prefer something else.

You guys took this way off course lol. The lady just wants the XP earned for the two dungeons to be equal. She wasn't even complaining about the LACK of experience, just the disparity between the two.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

You guys took this way off course lol. The lady just wants the XP earned for the two dungeons to be equal. She wasn't even complaining about the LACK of experience, just the disparity between the two.

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Expect many threads to get derailed in these forums. Heck, some of my threads get derailed to the Seventh Hell.

That being said, if the exp bonus for both instances are equal, many would tend to leave Praetorium and prefer to run Castrum because the latter is a lot faster than the former when you factor in the unskippable cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

Expect many threads to get derailed in these forums. Heck, some of my threads get derailed to the Seventh Hell.

That being said, if the exp bonus for both instances are equal, many would tend to leave Praetorium and prefer to run Castrum because the latter is a lot faster than the former when you factor in the unskippable cutscenes.

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I mean, if people are willing to leave and eat the penalty just to requeue for faster experience, I'm willing to accept that. I doubt the majority of people will be willing to do that.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

You guys took this way off course lol. The lady just wants the XP earned for the two dungeons to be equal. She wasn't even complaining about the LACK of experience, just the disparity between the two.

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Thank you!
I think it would even be fine if Prae gave more experience, as long as the difference wasn't as drastic as it is now.