Classes & Jobs

Do we need both a class and job system? Why not just ditch classes and have the job system like FFXI. I honestly don't see the need or the attraction to have both. Anyway that is just my opinion. I'd really like to know what others think on the subject.

Because a Job is designed for a specific task (WHM = healer, BLM = nuker) and a class is designed to be mixture and use abilities for other classes.

Class = Solo
Job = Group specific role

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Originally Posted by Silvanesti

Do we need both a class and job system?

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yes

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Why not just ditch classes and have the job system like FFXI.

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Because it's FF XIV. The FF XI job system would not work with the armory system. It would be like changing the materia system from FF VII to the job system from FF III.

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I honestly don't see the need or the attraction to have both.

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One is for solo play with all skills you have learned, the other is for specialized roles in a party

Because there might be multiple jobs per class. Imagine Gla -> Paladin/DK/Samurai.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Because there might be multiple jobs per class. Imagine Gla -> Paladin/DK/Samurai.

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Cliffnotes: DK = Donkey Knight. This subject needs a revival.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Because there might be multiple jobs per class. Imagine Gla -> Paladin/DK/Samurai.

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Ok thanks Mariya, that makes things a bit clearer for me.

Because while the community whined that the armory system and its classes weren't Final Fantasy enough, they don't want it gone for some reason.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Because there might be multiple jobs per class. Imagine Gla -> Paladin/DK/Samurai.

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Not only that but there may also be jobs that require multiple classes. The layered system works fine. Classes = weapon styles, jobs = specializations.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Cliffnotes: DK = Donkey Knight. This subject needs a revival.

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I've been summoned. Hehaw

A job is an extension of a class so, I just hope it dosent come down to, no job? No party for you puny class user. If something is going to kill classes is the community demanding jobs to party, not SE

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Originally Posted by Silvanesti

Do we need both a class and job system? Why not just ditch classes and have the job system like FFXI. I honestly don't see the need or the attraction to have both. Anyway that is just my opinion. I'd really like to know what others think on the subject.

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I'd bet anything that eventually they'll announce the elimination of classes, and reworking the job system, to include skills that were provided by those classes.

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Originally Posted by Isaveron

Because while the community whined that the armory system and its classes weren't Final Fantasy enough, they don't want it gone for some reason.

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Sorry, even SE admitted the armory system needed serious revisions.

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Originally Posted by Silvanesti

Do we need both a class and job system? Why not just ditch classes and have the job system like FFXI. I honestly don't see the need or the attraction to have both. Anyway that is just my opinion. I'd really like to know what others think on the subject.

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would make more sense if the classes were balanced = to each other and jobs were focused roles. as is now glad is not capable of DD cause it is an obvious tank. why not make glad have lower defense and raise damage output.

people keep saying class is solo and job is party. sure tahts what they said it would be, but is it true,idk. classes ability to solo should be even imo. thats what would make the job system more special.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I'd bet anything that eventually they'll announce the elimination of classes, and reworking the job system, to include skills that were provided by those classes.

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If anything would make me quit, this would be it.

I don't understand how class = solo and job = group? If I unlock a job wouldn't that make my solo even better? After lv.30 everyone will have jobs, there's no doubt about that, so to say class = solo and job = group is dumb, class = pre 30 class+job = post 30.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseLallaise

If anything would make me quit, this would be it.

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Lol why? They're going to get to a point where the armory system is just going to keep them from making the jobs that people want. So you can either stick with the armory system which is really just a huge limitation on the game, or you can move past it and create all of the jobs/skills that you can imagine, without being forced to say "oh well, this job uses a sword so it'll have to come from gladiator" and since all of gld's skills are based on damage and hate mitigation all of those jobs will be mitigating damage and hate.

No because if you get your job as drg yo will do awsome damage but will not have any defensive or cure skills, making you useless to solo, this will applie to pld, it will tank like a champ but dd will be to low, make exp per hour veeeeery slow, and whm will just heal and heal forever without killing anything. Im ok with the jobs. Im just wondering how the plan to keep classes alive

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I don't understand how class = solo and job = group? If I unlock a job wouldn't that make my solo even better? After lv.30 everyone will have jobs, there's no doubt about that, so to say class = solo and job = group is dumb, class = pre 30 class+job = post 30.

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Ok so i see your main class on your info is a cnj... it's pretty decent for soloing correct i know it's not the greatest but you can solo. You still have your Aero and Stone spells. Now if you go an unlock whm (this is purely spec at this point in time since I don't know what spells the whm is going to have) and you don't have those spells anymore. your main concentration is healing healing healing. You really can't solo very well you're mainly with parties so you can get your levels. That's how for some that soloing on class is better than job. Same could go with blm yeah you have all the nuking power in the world but when you're getting attacked you won't have the chance to survive due to lack of healing spells.

Again this at this point in time it is just a speculation but it is a possibility unless they allow the blm to have access to the class abilities that you already have also . *shrugs* Just one way it they might do it.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

Lol why? They're going to get to a point where the armory system is just going to keep them from making the jobs that people want. So you can either stick with the armory system which is really just a huge limitation on the game, or you can move past it and create all of the jobs/skills that you can imagine, without being forced to say "oh well, this job uses a sword so it'll have to come from gladiator" and since all of gld's skills are based on damage and hate mitigation all of those jobs will be mitigating damage and hate.

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Thats were the requirement for to classes to unlock a job comes handy, like gla can use daggers and pug does dual wield dmg, get this 2 to 30 and you can unlock thf using gla daggers and pgl maneuverability.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

Lol why? They're going to get to a point where the armory system is just going to keep them from making the jobs that people want. So you can either stick with the armory system which is really just a huge limitation on the game, or you can move past it and create all of the jobs/skills that you can imagine, without being forced to say "oh well, this job uses a sword so it'll have to come from gladiator" and since all of gld's skills are based on damage and hate mitigation all of those jobs will be mitigating damage and hate.

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Simple. I'm a fan of what the armory system gives us. If they were to butcher it and restrict us even further, I want no part of what will remain.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Thats were the requirement for to classes to unlock a job comes handy, like gla can use daggers and pug does dual wield dmg, get this 2 to 30 and you can unlock thf using gla daggers and pgl maneuverability.

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archer is prob getting thf according to some magazine interview

Ok we I was trying to make an example not a statement

Now if the implement a sub job system for jobs... Its death to the classes for sure

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Ok we I was trying to make an example not a statement

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sorry for dropping a fun fact on yea, sheesh

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Now if the implement a sub job system for jobs... Its death to the classes for sure

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They would not
More 2nd jobs for classes and 3rd jobs.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Thats were the requirement for to classes to unlock a job comes handy, like gla can use daggers and pug does dual wield dmg, get this 2 to 30 and you can unlock thf using gla daggers and pgl maneuverability.

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Don't they plan to take the daggers away from the gladiator?

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Ok so i see your main class on your info is a cnj... it's pretty decent for soloing correct i know it's not the greatest but you can solo. You still have your Aero and Stone spells. Now if you go an unlock whm (this is purely spec at this point in time since I don't know what spells the whm is going to have) and you don't have those spells anymore. your main concentration is healing healing healing. You really can't solo very well you're mainly with parties so you can get your levels. That's how for some that soloing on class is better than job. Same could go with blm yeah you have all the nuking power in the world but when you're getting attacked you won't have the chance to survive due to lack of healing spells.

Again this at this point in time it is just a speculation but it is a possibility unless they allow the blm to have access to the class abilities that you already have also . *shrugs* Just one way it they might do it.

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So you're telling me that you're speculating that when I apply the WHM job to my CNJ I no longer have access to CNJ skills?

This is only proving that classes are even more useless once jobs come about.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

So you're telling me that you're speculating that when I apply the WHM job to my CNJ I no longer have access to CNJ skills?

This is only proving that classes are even more useless once jobs come about.

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I'm just saying it is a possibility. Not that it will happen. We don't know what will happen so we can't say that classes are useless once jobs come out. You were saying that we could solo on jobs I was pointing out that it might not be plausible. I don't know what is going to happen. We can speculate all we want and then make asses out of ourselves for the assumptions when what really happens happens. Until then it's all fair game on what people think or believe. I just gave an example of what can be not what I think will be.

Cnj and thm are so mixed up to me its confusing

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Originally Posted by Rannie

I'm just saying it is a possibility. Not that it will happen. We don't know what will happen so we can't say that classes are useless once jobs come out. You were saying that we could solo on jobs I was pointing out that it might not be plausible. I don't know what is going to happen. We can speculate all we want and then make asses out of ourselves for the assumptions when what really happens happens. Until then it's all fair game on what people think or believe. I just gave an example of what can be not what I think will be.

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I guess I hadn't considered the possibility that switching to WHM may eliminate my ability to use some cnj spells/skills. You could be quite right.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I guess I hadn't considered the possibility that switching to WHM may eliminate my ability to use some cnj spells/skills. You could be quite right.

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^_^ it's all good.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Ok so i see your main class on your info is a cnj... it's pretty decent for soloing correct i know it's not the greatest but you can solo. You still have your Aero and Stone spells. Now if you go an unlock whm (this is purely spec at this point in time since I don't know what spells the whm is going to have) and you don't have those spells anymore. your main concentration is healing healing healing. You really can't solo very well you're mainly with parties so you can get your levels. That's how for some that soloing on class is better than job. Same could go with blm yeah you have all the nuking power in the world but when you're getting attacked you won't have the chance to survive due to lack of healing spells.

Again this at this point in time it is just a speculation but it is a possibility unless they allow the blm to have access to the class abilities that you already have also . *shrugs* Just one way it they might do it.

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Conjurers are a casting class known for their specialization in healing and defense-enhancing magic. They also possess some skill with elemental magic, granting them a degree of offensive ability, and can put single targets to sleep, providing a valuable source of control. White mages are powerful casters whose talents enable them to fully restore the HP of all party members in a mere instant. Beyond healing, they can also apply their MP towards attack magic, granting them extremely powerful offensive abilities.

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this was in class reforms

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

this was in class reforms

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thank you for that information then ^_^

I'm excited about jobs either way and I hope they keep moving in that direction :D

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I'd bet anything that eventually they'll announce the elimination of classes, and reworking the job system, to include skills that were provided by those classes.

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Somehow I have a feeling this will happen also.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I'm excited about jobs either way and I hope they keep moving in that direction :D

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maybe after they come out theyll rebalance the classes to have them make more sense. i see the biggest adjustments needed on glad and mages to make their soloing more of a soloable DD role.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

maybe after they come out theyll rebalance the classes to have them make more sense. i see the biggest adjustments needed on glad and mages to make their soloing more of a soloable DD role.

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I agree. Cleric stance on CNJ makes me feel like they're at least aware that a solo dps build needs to be available.

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Originally Posted by BrusselSprout

I agree. Cleric stance on CNJ makes me feel like they're at least aware that a solo dps build needs to be available.

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whm heals, heal stats increased def lowered, cnj solo, raise def, raise DD, lower healing magic

pld is tank raise def raise mp lower attack, glad attack is already low, so id raise it alot, lower def

blm would raise nuking lower def, thm should raise healing, nuking is good, raise def

doing something along the line of this would allow classes to solo better and make thier job counterpart mean more. i know stats will change for jobs to make them better, but classes need to be balanced for easier soloing since thats what they say they are for.

This stuff sounds good on paper I hope it is a concept that works well. Solo'ing is more efficient on classes, grouping is more effective while on jobs. Two types of gameplay. Maybe classes will be dominant in PVP and Jobs will be of bigger use in PVE.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

This stuff sounds good on paper I hope it is a concept that works well. Solo'ing is more efficient on classes, grouping is more effective while on jobs. Two types of gameplay. Maybe classes will be dominant in PVP and Jobs will be of bigger use in PVE.

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This could very well be the case. Especially if switching to a job locks out many of your abilities, limiting you to the role that that job was designed for.

Though, even if that were the case, team-based PvP would still be dominated by jobs.

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Originally Posted by Tempast

I'm excited about jobs either way and I hope they keep moving in that direction :D

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So am I, I wanna do some heavy nuking damage as a blm and i want my ancient magic back... *sniffles* i miss flare quake and all the rest... *cries* lol if we get them with that.