I notice alot of Raiders are "Selling content" like primal mounts savage and even ultimate through PF i dont know if this is through Gil or RMT, but since this is so blatantly obvious i was wondering if this is even allowed and if not what do people think of it and why is it allowed to go unpunished.
I'm mostly just curious on what people think of it and if SE is actually okay with this.
Selling content through PF... Allowed?
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05-08-2018, 02:01 AMDio_TiferetSelling content through PF... Allowed?
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05-08-2018, 02:05 AMManuelBravo
Hmmm if it's like mercenaries for gil, it really is not against Terms of Use. IF they are asking for real money then yes.
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05-08-2018, 02:08 AMNephthysVasudan
If they are demanding discord for communication up front and not advertising on the same server...then NO...it is likely illegal RMT.
Good luck proving it.
And to anyone who says otherwise...walk away.
The obvious fact they are demanding outside communication alone and not on the same server should be screaming suspicious to you guys.
This has been argued ad nausea beyond all reason over the months.
Good luck getting SE to lift a finger. (Evidence accepted/not accepted clause) As anything OUTSIDE the game is refused.
Gee I wonder why that is. (rhetorical question) -
05-08-2018, 02:10 AMDio_TiferetWell the thing is if they are selling ultimate content then obviously account access trading is also a part of it since there's no way people are clearing it with 7 man groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
PF is up with advertisements pretty much 24/7 and obviously discord is used to discuss it. I'm really curious as to what SE's standpoint regarding this is. -
05-08-2018, 02:17 AMTridus
Technically? No.
Practically? Yes. SE ignores it when they advertise in PF. -
05-08-2018, 02:22 AMNephthysVasudanTo state the obvious - account trading/sharing is a quick way to get banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
*just making sure people who get ideas understand this*
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05-08-2018, 02:27 AMDio_Tiferet
It's kind of a bad image for the game seeing people sell stuff like this on the PF like you would on every budget lowkey MMO out there and shows a lack of community management.
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05-08-2018, 03:23 AMManuelBravoHmmm it depends, you should never give out your account info. They can probably carry you and leave you dead, however if they are asking for real money you may need to prove it. Toa void problems your better off talking with your FC or assistance. As for SE point...hmmm speaking with a GM would be best or they will refer you to the terms of use. Depending on your region I would check appropriate terms of use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5382&la=1 -
05-08-2018, 03:29 AMHyoMinPark
It’s not allowed if there is trading of real money involved (which there usually is, but the people advertising are smart enough never to mention that in-game). However, since the PFs do not blatantly advertise this, the GMs cannot do anything about it. Only way they could do something about it is if they either accept screenshots as evidence that the sellers start asking for real money once you contact them in Discord—this would require them to loosen their restrictions on accepted evidence of ToS violations—or by setting up sting operations—this would require more manpower in general. Or if the seller wasn’t smart enough and mention “We want $500 USD for Ultimate clears; PayPal only” in-game (because the only evidence SE accepts right now has to be present in in-game logs).
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05-08-2018, 05:31 AMVnolanMostly Paypal, though some will take gil if you're on the server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
Selling for gil is fine. Selling for real money is against the ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
SE will only accept chat logs as evidence. The sellers request contact outside of the game and so there are no chat logs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
Hard to say. They've known about it for months yet do nothing when they could deal with it in a few minutes without having to ban anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
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05-08-2018, 05:36 AMVhailorThey're fine with it. I suspect SE would be fine with RMT, too, if it weren't for the fact that XIV's reputation would take a hit. They pretty much place bottom-line profit over in-game integrity and fairness, so until / unless people begin quitting en masse because of this blatant RMT (highly doubtful), nothing will be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio_Tiferet
Personally, I think it's a disgrace, and I think it's shameful that the EULA hasn't been amended to forbid the selling of runs for in-game currency, too. The behaviour completely violates the spirit in which games are supposed to be played, and does so in a way that harms other players (people buying runs = fewer people available who run the content the real way via the DF). But it's merely one item on a long list of things SE permits or outright encourages that I find disgraceful, so... *shrugs* -
05-08-2018, 05:38 AMVhailorOnly if it's sharing with a stranger, of course. Couples and such routinely hop onto each others' accounts for a variety of purposes; SE has no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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05-08-2018, 05:46 AMNephthysVasudanActually no..it isn't. In legality terms - the Terms of Service is very clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhailor
SE enforcing it however.....you would be correct - that doens't mean they are not within their rights to drop the ax.
My point is - don't share your account - you do so at your own risk and peril.
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05-08-2018, 07:38 AMFinal-Fantasy
I have noticed some of the RMT advertisers in the game now include everything from selling Gil (standard) to items (iL350+) and also "more" which means Clearing content for real money.