Having fun. =D

I see all these posts and people seem unhappy about this and about that.

I wanted to say I'm happy and having fun. No game is perfect, but I enjoy playing FFXIV. It allows me to escape and I think SE does a pretty damned good job. ;)

Life is too short, and there are too many MMOs to play. Why stay here, be miserable, and tell other people they should be miserable too? :p

Just wanted to say I'm having fun and I hope you are too. Cheers. :D

How is telling people to like everything no matter what different than the group of people you complain about.

I'm enjoying the game too, nice place to escape and relax for a couple hours at a time.

Glad to hear you're enjoying the game, and likewise hope more people out there are too :cool:

While there is nothing wrong about posting something positive, and while I do enjoy FFXIV as a game, there is also nothing wrong with providing criticism when things are falling short or feeling stale.

Some of the complaints that I have seen have some validity to them: such as the game’s formula for patches/expansions—2 new expert dungeons one patch, 1 the next; Savage/Normal Mode 8-man in even-numbered patches, 24-man in catch-up patch; new tomestone every other patch with 450 weekly limit; etc.. It gets to be a little stale after being the formula for 4 years. So I can understand the complaints there.

I can also understand complaints about trying to force certain mindsets on the entire playerbase when that doesn’t exactly work. I’ve heard that the Greed-Only for Alliance raid loot stems from a JP mindset of how JP players play their main jobs in content so as to not hinder the other players with lesser geared jobs, and then cannot roll Need on items not for their main, but that they want for the purpose of gearing up their alt jobs. Meanwhile, the NA/EU side has had an almost unanimously negative reaction to the change (though I have also heard that JP is not exactly thrilled about the change either).

Positivity is nice to have; but so is constructive advice. Blatantly negative threads aren’t constructive, but when people post well-thought out complaints and/or criticisms, I wouldn’t necessarily call them a bad thing, nor say that the poster is being deliberately miserable. They would just like to see an improved experience for themselves (and other like-minded players, too).

Just dropping my hourly "still subbed, enjoying the game" post.
See you guys soon!

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Some of the complaints that I have seen have some validity to them: such as the game’s formula for patches/expansions—2 new expert dungeons one patch, 1 the next; Savage/Normal Mode 8-man in even-numbered patches, 24-man in catch-up patch; new tomestone every other patch with 450 weekly limit; etc.. It gets to be a little stale after being the formula for 4 years. So I can understand the complaints there.

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This is a complaint that always puzzles me when I see it brought up - because what is the alternative? Would the game be better (or worse) if the patch content came out in a different sequence?

Admittedly I'm still "new" and I've only just reached the point of catching up to the current content, so haven't been around to watch the patch cycles play out over and over, but... still. I can't personally understand it being any more exciting to get things in a slightly different order.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding though. When people say this is an issue, what are they thinking should happen instead?

OP: Glad you're having fun. However please understand that some of the criticisms being made do have merit to them, as others have mentioned. It's okay to enjoy it, but the "Why stay here, be miserable, and tell other people they should be miserable too?" comes across a bit aloof I won't lie. A lot of the people making these criticisms are doing it because they love the game and want it to improve. I know every criticism I give FFXIV is because of that. I love the game, think it really well made, but it definitely can be improved. Like you said, no game's perfect.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding though. When people say this is an issue, what are they thinking should happen instead?

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The formula tends to feel very stale...
.0 patch - new expansion launch, new 8 man raid, 2 new primals, etc
.1 patch - new 24 man raid, expansion final boss ex mode
even patch - new 8 man raid, new primal
odd patch - new 24 man raid, new primal
(plus dungeons)

That's been the formula since HW and I think the formula was still there to an extent even in ARR! And that's the main way to manage gear. It gets to a point where you know exactly what to expect. I think people want more content that breaks this mold. I have to admit, for all its flaws, I do like that Eureka completely changed up the relic formula (I just hope it ages well). I think we want more things like that, stuff that's new and different. Stuff that changes how we gear up.

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Originally Posted by exilio

Life is too short, and there are too many MMOs to play. Why stay here, be miserable, and tell other people they should be miserable too? :p

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Because people who complains about the game actually want to stay but the devs not showing any will to change the formula they hold since ARR doesn't help them to stay?

And no, don't feel miserable. If you enjoy the game, that's fine. It's really fun when you still have leveling and craft to do.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This is a complaint that always puzzles me when I see it brought up - because what is the alternative? Would the game be better (or worse) if the patch content came out in a different sequence?

Admittedly I'm still "new" and I've only just reached the point of catching up to the current content, so haven't been around to watch the patch cycles play out over and over, but... still. I can't personally understand it being any more exciting to get things in a slightly different order.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding though. When people say this is an issue, what are they thinking should happen instead?

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When people can actively predict what sort of content is coming out in the next patch, it doesn’t add any sort of excitement to the context of the game’s content as a whole. Because it is always the same thing: 2 new expert dungeons, MSQ, new 8-man, new Savage (which, unless you raid, you don’t care about, and if you do, it tends to be the only thing you do care about); next patch is 1 new dungeon, 24-man catch-up; the entire 2-patch cycle is 450 tomestone that’s capped weekly.

Things like Eureka and PotD break the monotony. PotD was hugely successful when it was released because it was different, it offered something challenging at Floors 101+, it offered another leveling alternative other than spamming the same dungeons over and over again. It was different and new. It made the game feel less stale. But the current formula of 450 tomestones/week, 2 expert dungeons that less difficult than leveling dungeons, 24-man every other patch, etc., has been a thing since 2.0. Something needs to be changed to give more life to the patch cycles, or else people will complain like they did in 4.1 when there was nothing but niche content, and 1 new dungeon for the majority of the playerbase.

A lot of people that I know that have been playing since ARR take months-long breaks (or have just quit outright) because the formula is always the same. It’s stale to them, so they have moved on to other games. I’m glad that the patches are frequent, but they don’t offer anything new and exciting for me outside of the Savage raids. Because the other content it just not interesting enough for me to enjoy it. I haven’t done Expert Roulette or 70 roulette in 2 months.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

While there is nothing wrong about posting something positive, and while I do enjoy FFXIV as a game, there is also nothing wrong with providing criticism when things are falling short or feeling stale.

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Agreed, which is why it ruffles my feathers a bit when someone starts off their positive thread with something negative. There is an air of condescension in the OPs post that kind of dismisses genuine concerns of the playerbase that will likely rub some people the wrong way, which I am sure is not the intention of the OP.

Admittedly, there are times when I feel the negativity around here is a bit too much, which can weigh down my own desire to play the game. So it's not the game I take a break from; it's from here.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

How is telling people to like everything no matter what different than the group of people you complain about.

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Wut? /10char

Wow, this didn't take long to devolve.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

How is telling people to like everything no matter what different than the group of people you complain about.

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At... What point did he say anything remotely like that? All I see is the very reasonable question "If you hate it here *that* much, why stay?"

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Originally Posted by Ransom

At... What point did he say anything remotely like that? All I see is the very reasonable question "If you hate it here *that* much, why stay?"

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Some of us really care and hope that, somehow, SE gets the message that we're worried/upset/what-have-you and will take that into account when planning for the future.

YoshiP himself will never fly to Delaware to have a one-on-one session with me about the state of XIV and what I want to see in future updates. But no game is perfect and some of us would like to see SE either take a different direction, or address some long-standing issues, and they don't seem inclined to. My greatest fear is that they will keep doing exactly what they've done so far- the same thing they've done since ARR - and double-down on not trying to shake things up in a big way to keep things from stagnating. Other companies can do it without losing their players, SE can do it too.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Some of us really care and hope that, somehow, SE gets the message that we're worried/upset/what-have-you and will take that into account when planning for the future.

YoshiP himself will never fly to Delaware to have a one-on-one session with me about the state of XIV and what I want to see in future updates. But no game is perfect and some of us would like to see SE either take a different direction, or address some long-standing issues, and they don't seem inclined to. My greatest fear is that they will keep doing exactly what they've done so far- the same thing they've done since ARR - and double-down on not trying to shake things up in a big way to keep things from stagnating. Other companies can do it without losing their players, SE can do it too.

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That's a totally fair and well thought-out viewpoint. No arguments. I just don't see the statement I quoted anywhere in what the OP was saying. He wasn't saying "You need to be happy no matter what." He was just saying that he is happy and doesn't understand why others aren't.

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Originally Posted by Ransom

That's a totally fair and well thought-out viewpoint. No arguments. I just don't see the statement I quoted anywhere in what the OP was saying. He wasn't saying "You need to be happy no matter what." He was just saying that he is happy and doesn't understand why others aren't.

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These in particular:

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Originally Posted by exilio

I see all these posts and people seem unhappy about this and about that. ... Life is too short, and there are too many MMOs to play. Why stay here, be miserable, and tell other people they should be miserable too? :p

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Bolded emphasis added. He might not have meant to sound flippant or dismissive, but that's what it can come across as. Especially when there's been a lot of furor and worry over upcoming changes that seem out of tune with what people were expecting (Alliance drops going to Greed Only, the app, Eureka, etc.).

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To be fair, the fact that Yoshida never speak, whether it's on the liveletter or any interview really, of the unease that the playerbase is expressing right now is especially concerning for me. It actually makes me wonder if he knows there is a problem.

I really hope they won't repeat the same communication mistake from 1.0...

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and double-down on not trying to shake things up in a big way to keep things from stagnating. Other companies can do it without losing their players, SE can do it too.

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My experience from Warlords of Draenor says that the devs can make fun of the players for quite some time, but there's a point where the playerbase will realise that they can, and will, see somewhere else if the formula become too bland.

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Bolded emphasis added. He might not have meant to sound flippant or dismissive, but that's what it can come across as. Especially when there's been a lot of furor and worry over upcoming changes that seem out of tune with what people were expecting (Alliance drops going to Greed Only, the app, Eureka, etc.).

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Yes, true it sounded dismissive, but as ppl said to Kaivac, maybe going into this kind of threads is not the right thing to do

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

He might not have meant to sound flippant or dismissive, but that's what it can come across as. Especially when there's been a lot of furor and worry over upcoming changes that seem out of tune with what people were expecting (Alliance drops going to Greed Only, the app, Eureka, etc.).

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Again, fair enough. I guess if I stretch I can kind of see how someone could interpret it that way, though, again, I personally don't remotely see it in that light. (And for the record, I'm as torqued as everyone else on the 'greed only' thing.)