20 outdoor items only for small house?!

I know this has been addressed in some older threads, but honestly, only 20 items?!

I was so happy to finally be able to afford a house, and in a nice spot. I was happily decorating the outdoor space when I go to place some stepping stones and boom! I was maxed out! :mad:

So I'm sure many of you will say 20 is fine, which for many people, I'm sure it is. But there are those people that would like to do more and I don't know why SE has this seeming arbitrary limit. Server issue? Wanting avoid yards looking like junk spaces?

If SE doesn't want their players going crazy, create a quest line to increase your allowable limit.

When fixing up a place, the devil is really in the details, which means little bits here and there can really allow players to add some personality. Just one player's opinion.

It all boils down to SE's ward implementation. The exteriors of houses are part of the persistent housing ward instance. To limit server resources they have to place a limit on how many items any one house can have. Could they and should they allow more and increase server size to handle it? IMO yes. Will they do this? Unlikely. This is just another reason for SE to create a parallel fully instanced housing system as they could make the exterior and interior part of a single instance and allow for more total objects since they would be dynamically created and deleted.

As Claviusnex said, the ward system is what is causing an issue. Inside the house you're just loading your furniture, but outside you're loading everyone's. At the moment it's loading up 730 pieces of furniture for the whole ward plus the exterior decor choices for each house. If we had individually instances houses, you'd likely have a lot more room/item slots for outdoor decorating.

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But yeah I have a small as well. I think I made out well with what I could, but a couple more spots would have really brought everything together. Like I don't even think I'd use 25 slots, but right now I can't fit everything I'd like to.

you have the aetherit, chocobo stable, garden, mailbox - already 4 items just for the basic functions of housing. that's almost 1/4 already gone before you even started with decorating.

they should at least getting rid of the aetherit! let us just teleport to our house by default.

Thanks for the great replies. As I suspected there are some server issues. I like the ward system as it does give the area more of a community feel when you can run around and see people's custom yards.

But I think Tint made some great points that some items, specifically the four she mentioned, should be a given.

Hopefully SE will one day give it some attention. However the issue has been around for nearly four years, so I don't think it's any kind of priority for them.

Agreed, 20 slots is too little, however, you can still do a LOT with a 20 slot limit. I don't have a mailbox, or Choco stables in my yards, I use my FC house, or apt if I need to check mail (since I only get 3-4 mail delivery per week). I do however, use the garden.

In my Shirogane small yard, I have:
Aetheryte, garden, Oriental bridge, large pond, two hingan hot springs glitched over fence, oriental tea bench, 4 bamboo patches, oriental deck, two Firefly cages, two lupins, and a few Glade path lights . It REALLY fills up nicely.

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

Agreed, 20 slots is too little, however, you can still do a LOT with a 20 slot limit. I don't have a mailbox, or Choco stables in my yards, I use my FC house, or apt if I need to check mail (since I only get 3-4 mail delivery per week). I do however, use the garden.

In my Shirogane small yard, I have:
Aetheryte, garden, Oriental bridge, large pond, two hingan hot springs glitched over fence, oriental tea bench, 4 bamboo patches, oriental deck, two Firefly cages, two lupins, and a few Glade path lights . It REALLY fills up nicely.

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Yes, I too had to get creative. I like how my yard looks but there were other things I really wanted to do and bummed I can't. Certainly not the end of the world, but we can dream that SE will find a solution one day. One. Day. ;-)

I always seem to want to place 21 items on my yard when decorating, but I'm fairly happy with what I have with 20 atm, I should say though that I don't have a mailbox or chocobo stable because I don't need them. I'm also always at the limit on the inside too (199 in my house and 100 in my FC room) so I'm generally an over decorator.

Mailbox (default) and Teleport should be built in. If people want to place a custom teleport or mailbox fine but they should not force us to use 2 spots for these necessities. That's 10 percent of a small houses allotment for outdoor decor.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Mailbox (default) and Teleport should be built in. If people want to place a custom teleport of mailbox fine but they should not force use to use 2 spots for these necessities. That's 10 percent of a small houses allotment for outdoor decor.

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This, 100%. Of all the things I can think of that should be implemented, having your aetheryte and mailbox as part of the house structure is top. We can even customize a built in placard, not having these as part of the base house is ridiculous. Every house has some semblance of a fence and gateway. At the very least, even if we have to pay to buy the slots, the mailbox & aetherytes should be built into the shell of the house/fence; if you want to put your own in the yard somewhere you can leave the space blank and put a freestanding one out that will count against your item allotment, but it should be an option. And give us more options. I'd love to have a doman aetheryte, and our FC house would look really cool with one that looks like the one at Ok'Zundu.

Not sure why people would expect more -.- it is call a small plot for a reason. If anything people should go into open houses and see if it will meet their needs before hand to get an idea of both inside and outside capabilities.

I find this limit to be annoying to. I can't go all in with my detail on my Large plot because the limit is only 50. Now it will sound like a lot, but there are artheryte, mailbox, choco stable, and 3 garden patches, that's 6 slots already (10% a bit).

As someone already stated the performance issue previously on this threat, I understand that because of the warding system, there must be a limit (and a really tiny one). Mid to low end PC (yes and also you, peasent PS4, #PCMasterRace) out there just can't render lots of object, that's why they have the limit so low.

I'm dreaming that they could somehow optimize the furniture to leave bigger headroom for just at least 10 items would be nice.

edit: and now they're adding guest book, another valuable slot taking up by what it should already built-in.

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Originally Posted by Tint

you have the aetherit, chocobo stable, garden, mailbox - already 4 items just for the basic functions of housing.

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I only have the Aethryte. Mailboxes are all over the place so I didn't put one in and FC has a Chocobo Stable which gets more visitors than my house would.

I do agree they should allow us to teleport by default.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I only have the Aethryte. Mailboxes are all over the place so I didn't put one in and FC has a Chocobo Stable which gets more visitors than my house would.

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While I agree that mailboxes and chocobo stables are available elsewhere, the point is that they're conveniences and the fact that we have to 'go elsewhere' to use them is kind of ridiculous. Now, the stable I'm 50/50 on - it's not that important to me, and it's huge, so it would be hard to include it in the house in a manner that would appease everybody. The mailbox, though, could even be built into the placard outside. And while I'm not a fan of the guestbook concept, that could be added to the placard, too, since that's already where you'd go to identify who the house belongs to.

Save money, camp out new wards, and upgrade to a medium or large estate. O.o/

The placard could ideally be a mailbox. How many houses have their address right on the mailbox outfront?

It's always the stepping stones that get you. Put down two sets of stepping stones and I felt like it took up four slots. Would like more so I can have a path leading to the door and the backyard, but I got three slots left and already have other things in mind for those.

I'd even settle for more two more spots.

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Originally Posted by Alberos

Large plot because the limit is only 50.

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Wow, I honestly thought it was the same going by some of the large houses I've seen and really only having a strip outside the front door to work with. Or maybe that's the medium plots.

Kind of what I like about the small plots. I can section off a segment of the yard to have as a sort of backyard that's different than whatever is right outside the door.

Ughhh those stepping stones....they do suck up valuable slots. I used four of the 3 step wooden slabs for my walkway to house and had to turn and interlock them to fill it up nicely. Large outside limit is 40 by the way. I just checked my shiro 16.

Imho , larges SHOULD have 50, that'd be ideal. Really.....every size could use an upgrade of +10 slots.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Save money, camp out new wards, and upgrade to a medium or large estate. O.o/

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Well large house is even worse. More than 2x (maybe 3-4x) the size of a small house yard but only 2x slot (20 vs 40).
It even worse in the inside, 3 floors and each floor size is roughly 4-6x larger than the small house. That's 6-9x more space than the small house. But yet, we only got 4x slot (100 vs 400).

The furniture 'density' is totally different.

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Originally Posted by Alberos

Well large house is even worse. More than 2x (maybe 3-4x) the size of a small house yard but only 2x slot (20 vs 40).
It even worse in the inside, 3 floors and each floor size is roughly 4-6x larger than the small house. That's 6-9x more space than the small house. But yet, we only got 4x slot (100 vs 400).

The furniture 'density' is totally different.

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This is a problem for interior limits, too. A medium is 2.5 times the size of a small with only 100 extra items (200->300). A large is at least twice, possibly 2.5 times again the size of a medium, and yet again, 100 more items, at 400. So you've got a large that's 5-6 times the size of a small and yet only has double the item space? I can't imagine how hard it is to actually make it look filled, unless you just block half of it off.

I agree, mine is medium sized and 30 items are just not nearly enough.