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I'll start with.. I don't play mages often, but I've noticed what I consider a fundamental flaw in the class (suspense building *duM duM duhhhhhMMMMM*) and it's centered around one ability.


Parsimony: Reduces MP cost of next attack spell by half, and restores MP when spell is cast. (Recast: 90 Seconds)

• Fire: 294mp
• Fira: 504mp
• Firaga: 714mp

Total Cost: 1512mp

• Thunder: 210mp
• Thundara: 378mp
• Thundaga: 546mp

Total Cost: 1134mp


The issue I have is that when you use Parsimony it doesn't reduce the MP cost up front, before casting. The spell cost is cut when the cast is completed and the MP from your pool is drained; it only takes half the amount post-cast and awards you some mp in return as well. (example below)

Example:
You have 900 MP.
You cast Thunder (-210mp; 690mp remaining).
You Thundara (-378mp; 312mp remaining).

*Use Parsimony*
You are unable to cast Thundaga until you have 546mp.

If Parsimony cut the MP cost prior to casting, Thundaga would cost 273mp and you would be able to cast it.

I propose that Parsimony cuts the MP cost of your next attack spell before you start casting, instead of after the cast as it does currently. Once your spell has completed, you would then be refunded some additional MP.

As an added bonus it would be beneficial if all of the MP costs on your offensive spells, on the UI, were reduced by 1/2 when you activate Parsimony.


As I said, I don't play mage much but I know MP is a large concern for the class and how effective it is. This tiny tweak would help in a few situations, but more or less when it matters most... when you're low on MP and need to do some shi...stuff.

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Well what your saying and showing makes sense, But you do realize that SE like to drive their cars on square wheels not round ones...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-MP-cost.....

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Originally Posted by Gramul

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Success troll is successing!

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

http://http://forum.square-enix.com/...s-MP-cost.....

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Hmm - link doesn't work for me.. and GDI. Fail at search. (edit: he fixed it)

That thread was started today, but isn't a suggestion more of a question about the skill. This is a suggestion to fix it.

can you fix the link its broken thanks man

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-MP-cost.....

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Fixed I fail at copy paste on cell phone lol

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Fixed I fail at copy paste on cell phone lol

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Uh that thread was started today... that's hilarious.. But it doesn't say much really.

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Yea I read that thread earlier but since I never really paid that much attention and I'm not a computer to test it, I didn't comment on it. But since you're the second person to mention it, I guess It's broken, as it doesn't do what the description says.

Theres another fundamental flaw in the job; there aren't enough:

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Yea I read that thread earlier but since I never really paid that much attention and I'm not a computer to test it, I didn't comment on it. But since you're the second person to mention it, I guess It's broken, as it doesn't do what the description says.

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I don't know if I'd go as far as to say it's broken. I think it doesn't act as it should, logically.

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Theres another fundamental flaw in the job; there aren't enough:

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I felt like I was in on xbox live where your clan was denoted by XXxxxx Killers xxxxXX

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Title working as intended.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

As an added bonus it would be beneficial if all of the MP costs on your spells, on the UI, were reduced by 1/2 when you activate Parsimony.

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As much as I love the idea and have had times when I wished Parsimony worked this way, I suspect this is the reason why SE won't do it because Parsimony only cuts the MP costs on offensive spells as opposed to all spells like you've incorrectly pointed out here.

I also suspect the user interface, due to how it's structured (blame the original developers for this, though, not Yoshi-P and the current team) isn't flexible enough to accommodate such changes, especially so if it's restricted to offensive spells only compared to all spells.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

As much as I love the idea and have had times when I wished Parsimony worked this way, I suspect this is the reason why SE won't do it because Parsimony only cuts the MP costs on offensive spells as opposed to all spells like you've incorrectly pointed out here.

I also suspect the user interface, due to how it's structured (blame the original developers for this, though, not Yoshi-P and the current team) isn't flexible enough to accommodate such changes, especially so if it's restricted to offensive spells only compared to all spells.

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When I said 'All' spells I meant offensive spells, since 90% of THM spells are offensive I didn't bother repeating it again. But since you keyed on this minute detail, I corrected it in the OP.

And I'm sure the poor design from the original DEV team might prevent the 2nd part, which is why I said 'as an added bonus'... because it may not be possible.


You missed the whole point of the thread, I think... cut the cost of spells (lyke OMFG 0ffenxivE Spell OnRy LIKE THE DeSkriPtion Sayz) before you cast instead of after.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Dark_Arts The proper suggestion!

notes to self:
I'm not an English as first language speaker.... but "and restores MP when spell is cast." suddenly looks odd to me. (I thought I perfectly understood this before your thread.)

so I checked dictionary... cast... past tense & past participle is cast... so Parsimony is function whatever it said... give you mp back when the spell is done...

but anyhow...
I'm OK with this ability. I hate to like others to tell you "deal with it" but this spell set this way add more spice to the game. I pop out featherfoot or run away a lot cus this mp management issue. Starting a fight in low mp is weird already.

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Originally Posted by Deli

notes to self:
I'm not an English as first language speaker.... but "and restores MP when spell is cast." suddenly looks odd to me. (I thought I perfectly understood this before your thread.)

so I checked dictionary... cast... past tense & past participle is cast... so Parsimony is function whatever it said... give you mp back when the spell is done...

but anyhow...
I'm OK with this ability. I hate to like others to tell you "deal with it" but this spell set this way add more spice to the game. I pop out featherfoot or run away a lot cus this mp management issue. Starting a fight in low mp is weird already.

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Hmm? No one has said "deal with it". There is nothing to "deal with", I know how the spell works currently and it does just fine. I'm suggesting that they change when the MP cost is halved, that's all - if they don't no biggie. It's just something I've noticed as I've been playing THM that seems just a little off logically.

Parsimony "Reduces MP cost of next attack spell by half, and restores MP when spell is cast".. this reads as 1.) Reduce MP cost by half. 2.) Restore MP when the spell is cast.

Or they could fix this by removing the comma :D trololol.... that way it would be reduce mp and restore mp when cast.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

You know the title and this preview will draw you in... read this if you play THM.

To the forum mods: Please allow this to build some following before moving to suggestions / feedback.

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Suggestions & Feedback is for website-related feedback. This will probably be moved to THM section, where it will get even less attention.


For proof, this exact same issue was raised just 11 hours before you did: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...halves-MP-cost..... It's still near the top of "Recent Posts." See how many people noticed? :P

Damn my ADD.