Is Graphic Mod against S/E service agreement?

I recently saw few posts on facebook where FF14 players using graphic mods to change their character's in game appearance.
Is this against the service agreement or not?

Technically anything 3rd party is against the EULA, with that said I doubt it's too enforced, after all look at the rampant use of fflogs, bots, timers, etc. Aka don't ask, don't tell situation.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I recently saw few posts on facebook where FF14 players using graphic mods to change their character's in game appearance.
Is this against the service agreement or not?

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yes, it is against the ToS and can be a bannable offense. I highly suggest not to do that.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

Technically anything 3rd party is against the EULA, with that said I doubt it's too enforced, after all look at the rampant use of fflogs, bots, timers, etc. Aka don't ask, don't tell situation.

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yeah the hush dont tell could help you until the STF team catches you since they do investigate on players that cheat, bot or use third party programs in game. we may not see the issues being solved but they do their work, just check the lodestone and how many accounts they ban each week.

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Originally Posted by MirageSniper

yeah the hush dont tell could help you until the STF team catches you since they do investigate on players that cheat, bot or use third party programs in game. we may not see the issues being solved but they do their work, just check the lodestone and how many accounts they ban each week.

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3rd party programs like fflogs or client side only cosmetics aren't enforced, they might be against the EULA but it doesn't mean they will ban you over it. Now if you showed up as a giant lala the size of a dragon and everyone could see this, then you're going to get banned. Exploits like which happened earlier this year were only given a suspension at worst, at best they were given a slap on the wrists and were told they were naughty.

Bots might be enforced more but it still doesn't mean your going to get banned over it, people report bots all the time yet see the same ones in PvP and gathering all the time. Unless you do something really bad like hacking or some such they're not likely to ban you over something trivial.

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Originally Posted by MirageSniper

yes, it is against the ToS and can be a bannable offense. I highly suggest not to do that.




yeah the hush dont tell could help you until the STF team catches you since they do investigate on players that cheat, bot or use third party programs in game. we may not see the issues being solved but they do their work, just check the lodestone and how many accounts they ban each week.

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All the acc the ban mostly bots tho. They can't ban you with out "Written/Text" in game proof of doing it. graphic mods kinda undetectable ain't cheating since just your screen just as thos who use nude mod (no judge). Hell even Ultimate world first where using 3rd party program.
Now if other do it you shouldn't.
GM as powerless in this game as ever , only reason why they even did something about /undermax was because of us the community telling them to do so. took 4 MONTHS.

If you are talking about reshade or using texture mods (which is client side only) I have a very hard time seeing how they could enforce or detect.

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Originally Posted by MirageSniper

yes, it is against the ToS and can be a bannable offense. I highly suggest not to do that.

yeah the hush dont tell could help you until the STF team catches you since they do investigate on players that cheat, bot or use third party programs in game. we may not see the issues being solved but they do their work, just check the lodestone and how many accounts they ban each week.

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Anything used client-side cannot be detected by SE unless you openly talk about it in in-game chat, and someone reports you for it. But even then, it’s based on your own admission. Not because they can tell you’re using 3rd party programs or mods.

To OP: technically, the mods are against the ToS since they modify game elements. However, they only affect client-side, not server-side, so they cannot be outright detected by the STF or any GMs in-game. Only way people know you’re using mods or other 3rd party tools is if you talk about it openly.

I think it is a texture mod where there is youtube video showcasing MCH with gun only.
It looks nice without whatever that thing is on the left waist.
I just want to know if it is safe to use such texture mod.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I think it is a texture mod where there is youtube video showcasing MCH with gun only.
It looks nice without whatever that thing is on the left waist.
I just want to know if it is safe to use such texture mod.

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As long as it's client side only then you're fine.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I think it is a texture mod where there is youtube video showcasing MCH with gun only.
It looks nice without whatever that thing is on the left waist.
I just want to know if it is safe to use such texture mod.

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I just saw that video, and given that this Youtuber have been uploading vids about client-side mods he's been using, and still active in-game, we can safely say he's never been apprehended by SE.
those mods are awesome for /gpose I bet.

3rd party programs, even client-side, can be detected, and that includes modified textures etc. If the developer cares for that, that is. In that case they also need to inform the player that they are monitoring their system in whatever degree is necessary for their detection tools.

As for FFXIV...I doubt they care so I highly doubt they do it. Outside of highly competitive games, it's just really pointless to waste any resources on such security, especially since it is not without its performance cost. Realm Reborn was made partly with reducing the system requirements in mind too...It's just that it's not impossible unlike people seem to think.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

3rd party programs, even client-side, can be detected, and that includes modified textures etc. If the developer cares for that, that is. In that case they also need to inform the player that they are monitoring their system in whatever degree is necessary for their detection tools.

As for FFXIV...I doubt they care so I highly doubt they do it. Outside of highly competitive games, it's just really pointless to waste any resources on such security, especially since it is not without its performance cost. Realm Reborn was made partly with reducing the system requirements in mind too...It's just that it's not impossible unlike people seem to think.

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As far as I am aware, FFXIV does not have client-side monitoring to detect modification, hacks, or cheats. If it did, then all these botters floating around in Frontlines and on the Market Board would have been caught a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

If you are talking about reshade or using texture mods (which is client side only) I have a very hard time seeing how they could enforce or detect.

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Technologically speaking, they can. There are ways to detect tools like that, especially when there are only a handful of known ones. There's a cost to doing that (developer and QA time), privacy implications, and such, and they don't seem to place a lot of priority on it. I mean, parsers are also against the ToS, and YoshiP was watching ultimate streams with parsers prominently displayed. Nothing was done. They operate on a don't ask, don't tell system.

Most of what I have read about these mods is it only affects the client that person is running. So they may have some cool vids, but to everyone else they look normal in the game.

SE does no client side monitoring whatsoever. There is no upside for them going after players using said harmless programs, so they don't.

Their focus is on tracking and eliminating bots, exploiters, and the like. Completely different animals.

That being said, they are bound by the tos, so if you start babbling in shout or say about what you do or use, it only takes someone to report you to get you into trouble, and there's plenty of that sort of mean spiritedness out there.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

As far as I am aware, FFXIV does not have client-side monitoring to detect modification, hacks, or cheats. If it did, then all these botters floating around in Frontlines and on the Market Board would have been caught a long time ago.

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Hence why I said I doubt they do and that it would interfere with one of their goals of making the game have lower resource usage. I really don't think I need to be told what I said myself, in response to the very post in which I posted that.

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Originally Posted by MirageSniper

yes, it is against the ToS and can be a bannable offense. I highly suggest not to do that.




yeah the hush dont tell could help you until the STF team catches you since they do investigate on players that cheat, bot or use third party programs in game. we may not see the issues being solved but they do their work, just check the lodestone and how many accounts they ban each week.

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Serious raiders have been using the DPS meter addon for years now and guess what? Nobody is banned.

They don't even ban botters who use 3rd party cheat programs to directly cheat in game. I've done a lot of report for certain characters in Frontlines PvP and at gathering nodes yet here they are months later still playing on.
In Frontlines everyone knows them. They mark them and vote kick them after 5 mins passed. They are well known.
No SE does not ban cheaters. Perhaps only few who cheat/exploit raiding.
Don't know why this. Maybe they can't really detect them or they care for profit and subs to the point they would allow anything and play the deaf and blind.
A ToS just like a Law in real world does nothing and means nothing unless you actually follow it and exercise it.
Parsing programs are allowed unless you harass someone in chat.
Reshade is also allowed as it's an overlay program and doesn't really alter anything in client.
Texture mods same.
Like people said it's don't ask don't tell.

The interesting thing about this topic, Yoshi P said in a recent interview that they actively watch the World First livestreams. Many of these are using ACT in the video/stream, and no one gets banned. So my opinion, don't shout it to the world in game, and you're golden. They have made clear their stance on using 3rd party platforms to ban people. So don't post it here and don't post it in game.

EDIT: Missed someone saying this above, but the point stands.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

The interesting thing about this topic, Yoshi P said in a recent interview that they actively watch the World First livestreams. Many of these are using ACT in the video/stream, and no one gets banned. So my opinion, don't shout it to the world in game, and you're golden. They have made clear their stance on using 3rd party platforms to ban people. So don't post it here and don't post it in game.

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You can talk about it to some extend. What isn't allowed however is harassing people that do low DPS with spamming the numbers in chat.

That would be ACT, when I said don't talk about it I meant the graphic mod. But as far as I know, if you mention anything about parsing and get reported, it's bannable. Harassing people is just an easier way to get reported. If you're using "illegal" software, and get reported discussing it, you can be banned, is my understanding.

Thank you from the future 3 years later. Saw some on twitter and wanted to dl but do NOT want to get frozen for an image mod. XD

Hey, i know this is like 2 or 3 years super late, but... i was wondering will i get banned if i use graphic mods like tattoos and better beards while streaming? i mostly stream just so that my gf can see the gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Viccree

Hey, i know this is like 2 or 3 years super late, but... i was wondering will i get banned if i use graphic mods like tattoos and better beards while streaming? i mostly stream just so that my gf can see the gameplay.

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Yes.

That's all modifying game files, which is against their TOS. Do not stream it or you risk being reported and banned and losing your account.

EDIT: or use discord or the like to stream so only she can watch.. unless your GF is a NARC.. in which case I cannot help you.

Yes, they banned an entire cartel.

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Originally Posted by Voltenyne

Regarding Mods and Third Party Tools

Installing and playing with these is a violation of the FFXIV Terms of Service. As such, our answer to “Are mods allowed?” would be “It’s prohibited by the Terms of Service.”

The developers also do not have the right to confirm what kinds of applications are installed on your computer or smartphones, and do not have the right to ask you to refrain from using certain applications.

Suppose we were asked “Are we allowed to use FFXIV and voice chat programs at the same time?” Voice chat doesn’t directly interact with FFXIV’s data, and whether it should be considered a third-party tool is ambiguous, so it’d be difficult to provide a definitive answer. Even ACT, which calculates damage values based on the battle log displayed in-game, is difficult to determine as a tool or not and would be considered a grey area.

With that ambiguity in mind, the development and operations teams have taken the stance of “Please don’t use third party tools.” This is because using third-party tools puts that player’s account at risk.

We understand some of you would like us to clearly define what’s allowed, or simply prohibit all tools. However, it is impossible to individually verify an infinite number of applications and software, and we cannot determine what would be considered “all tools” due to the ambiguity of what constitutes the definition of a “tool” in the first place.

Finally, we’d like to explain our policy on plugins, such as those for ACT. In the category of plugins, there are some malicious ones that negatively disrupt game balance or fraudulently manipulate memory. Some examples include the plugin that automatically placed waymarks that was widely talked about in the community, and the plugin that placed self-made graphics on invisible AoEs to make them appear to be visible. Keep in mind that these have an extremely high risk of resulting in a penalty. The development and operations teams have been working on the system side to prevent these types of malicious plugins.

Tools, reporting wars, penalties... these wouldn’t be relevant to you if you were enjoying the game normally. We’d like for players to enjoy the game itself, and we also would like to enjoy working together with our players as we develop the game.

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From the team themselves. I had to shorten it so please go check the thread linked in the quote.