FINAL FANTASY XIV DANCER
Hello, I wanted to share a job concept that I’ve had in my mind for the last couple of weeks. This was made for fun and I would be happy if Square Enix took any of this and applied it into their game.
TLTR Version:
1.) Dancer resources:
TP - Used for Weaponskills and Curing Waltz (Weaponskills & Curing Waltz Builds Rhythm)
Rhythm - Used for Basic Dances (Basic Dances like Steps build Flourishes)
Flourishes - Used for Complex Dances (Jigs - Channeled Heals / Sambas - DPS AOE heal)
2.) Playstyle: Fights/Heals primarily through melee dps but can heal from afar just loses all access to DPS skills. (Only has melee DPS skills.)
3.) Most mobile healer has instant heals, with channeled heals for emergencies.
4.) Fabulous
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Characteristics
Story Lore
10 years ago tomes show that there existed a secret society of sorcerous gypsies that hailed from the city-state of Thavnair. Not much is known about these mysterious gypsies; however, legend tells about how these mysterious entertainers invoked their sorcery in a peculiar fashion. Rather than using incantations like their common sorcerous cants they swayed their bodies in order to manipulate the aether around them, re-energizing their allies with restorative steps, or bewitching their foes with crippling debilitating sambas. While appearing as mere performers the Dancer is much more threatening than they appear, this profession was born in an age of strive when the Garlean empire first threaten to conquer the Thavnair Peninsula. Many of these performers joined an organization known as the “Silent Serpents” and fought toe-to-toe with their brothers and sisters in the war to fend off the Garleans and acted as field-medics that vitalized their allies, and bewitched their enemies with their charming steps. Thanks to the rebellion the Thavniarians and Garleans were able to stop their feud in exchange for a treaty that granted them full access to the Ceruleum nodes of the region; however, this truce was short lived, after several years the Garleans ended up corrupting the Government of Thavnair and held the kingsworn and the royal family as hostages, and eradicated the majority of the rebels that dared stand against the Garleans, many of these rebels were dancers and fled to the various regions of Eorzea. Legend says that the leader of the Silent Serpents fled to Ul’dah in an attempt to recruit new soldiers to bring down the Corrupted Government and repel the Garleans from their homeland. Your journey as a dancer begins when you approach the dancing Miqo'te troupe in Ul'dah as any level 50 job. (A cut-scene will trigger where some rogue mercenaries attempt to murder the leader of the troupe, but instead they fail and it shows her using her tactful dancing to defeat her enemies, then she uses a smoke bomb to escape leaving behind a job crystal, the continuation of the job quests will be about locating the silent serpent headquarters and her seeing potential in you thus recruiting you into the rebellion, the story ends with you in Thavnair defeating a corrupted ganglord in the government that sold out his former rebels for money and power. ) (Job Starting Level: 50)
Weapon: Tessens
I decided Dual Tessens should be the primary weapon of the Dancer because they fit them very nicely; however, I did decide to remove the range DPS aspect of the job, because if they are able to accomplish their DPS from afar they will end up being forced into the backlines, and that isn’t the purpose of this job idea. I want them to be in melee range when possible, and if the situation doesn’t allow it give them a way to adjust their playstyle so they can play from afar. When a dancer can properly play in the frontlines they will have the highest DPS of all the healers, and their DPS would keep their party health-up making them feel like a DPS thus enticing players to try them out; however, when they cannot be in melee range they still have access to all of their recovery tools and the tools they lose due to no DPS healing are replaced with channeled dances such as jigs. The downfall of Dancer is that if you cannot melee, you cannot really DPS, but a DNC should not be required to DPS and if the battle requires range perhaps another healer would be more optimal but the DNC will be 100% functional from the backlines and frontlines.
Armor: Dexterity (DEX) Based
There is a lot of controversy over what type of gear a Dancer should use, and currently only Ninja can use Scouting gear, so I think they should be paired up with NIN scouting gear. It would fit them better than Healing gear and it would give the developers more freedom in designing gear that fits the magical healers without making the Dancer look like a cleric. (ADDITIONAL NOTE: All of their weaponskills are modified by the DEX stat including healer cross skills.)
Healer Actions: Cross Skills
If they look, feel, and are a healer you guessed it they use healer actions for their cross skills. But many would look at this concept and say but wait doesn’t the Dancer use TP and DEX? so how will they benefit from Healer Actions. Well they get a trait at level 1 that resolves the TP issue, and dances would be considered magic so they would gain benefits from these cross skills. In addition, these cross skills will also be made functional for the DEX stat so it has use for DNC.
Job Mechanics: Rhythm Gauge & Flourish Gauge
Akin to the other physical jobs the Dancer will use TP for their physical weaponskills and have their own unique resources to maintain. They have two unique mechanics they must worry about.
• Rhythm Gauge: The rhythm gauge is a bar that is filled by your auto attacks (4 per hit), and offensive weaponskills (8 per weaponskill), in addition Reverse Flourish can also be used to increase your rhythm gauge, and in the worst case scenario you have Trance which makes the cost of rhythm dances 0. As for the usage of the rhythm gauge well it’s supposed to be used for your cures and basic dances. (Additional Note: The rhythm gauge goes from 0 to 100, and the cures and basic dances require and consume the amount of rhythm that is necessary to use them.)
• Flourish Gauge: The flourish gauge are charges under your rhythm gauge, charges are accumulated by using your cures, steps, or any abilities that consume rhythm. As for the usage of the flourish gauge well it’s supposed to be used for your advanced tools such as your sambas, jigs, and AOE heals.
(Additional Note: The flourish gauge has 5 charges, and certain special abilities consume flourish charges. In addition, similar to red mage/astrologians this resource does not disappear when you are zoning, only when logging out.)
Skills & Abilities
Note: Please remember that a tick for Hots/Dots is every 3secs; this would also apply to channeled dances. I listed this recovery as Max Regen; however, DOTH Damage Overtime Healing does not work per tick but instead per auto attack and weaponskill execution, so it should only functions in the frontline when meleeing.
LV 1: Eyes on Me (Limit Break)
Cast Time: 2s
Description: Restores 100% of HP and MP for all nearby party members and revives any dead party members.
LV 1: Violent Cut (Weaponskill)
TP: 50 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 160. (Range: 3y)
LV 2: Curing Waltz (Dance)
TP: ?% | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Restores target’s HP overtime. Grants 1 flourish Bestows target with Soothing Steps, effect can accumulate up to three times. Grants 1 flourish. (Regen Potency: 150 / effect can be reapplied up to 3 stacks) (Max Regen: 450) (Range: 25y)
Note: The regen is a unique effect called “Soothing Step I-III” this step can stack with other regens, and can be accumulated up to three times to increase the efficiency of the step. When another Dancer applies their Soothing Steps it’s separate from your Soothing Steps similar to how two different WHM’s can have two different regens up.
LV 4: Quickstep (Dance)
Rhythm: 15 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Lowers the target evasion by 3% (Max 9%), “quickstep I-III” effect can accumulate up to three times. Overwritten by different steps. Grants 2 flourish (Debuff Duration: 30s) (Range: 3y)
Note: Steps cannot be resisted they will always apply unless your attack misses. Steps accumulate up to 3 stacks, two different dancers can work to accumulate the stacks up to 3, but they will not increase above 3 stacks. Also if there is only one dancer in the party and they use another step effect such as box step they will overwrite their current step; However, if there are two dancers in the party they can apply two different steps up to 3 stacks each.
LV 6: Butterfly Twirl (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 40s
Description: Perform a rushing twirl jump toward your target delivering an attack with a potency of 80, and heals the player with the highest enmity with a cure potency of 80. (8y)
Note: This is a gap closer ability. (The heal takes place at destination point)
LV 10: Drain Samba (Dance)
Flourish: 1 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Applies “drain daze” on the dancer weapon recovering the HP of all nearby allies whenever the dancer attacks the enemy. Overwritten by different sambas. (Buff Duration: 60s) (Heal Radius: 8y) (Cure Potency: 75 per hit)
Note: Sambas cannot be resisted they will always recover unless your attack misses. Two different dancers can use different or similar sambas since the recovery is based on the dancer damage. I made the cure potency a static potency to not complicate the damage formula.)
LV 12: Encore (Ability)
TP: ?% | Casting: 8s| Recast: 2.5s
Description: Resurrect the target to a weakened state.
Note: TP cost would be the equivalent MP % cost that the other healers have.)
LV 15: Divine Waltz (Dance)
Flourish: 3 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Restores all nearby party members HP overtime. (Regen Potency: 50 for 30s – Max Regen: 500) (Radius: 20y)
Note: The regen is a unique effect known as “Divine Rumba”, when another Dancer applies their Divine Rumba it’s separate from your Divine Rumba similar to how two different WHM’s can have two different Medica II up.
LV 18: Regal Gash (Weaponskill)
TP: 70 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Combo Action = Violent Cut: Potency - 235. (Range: 3y)
LV 26: Box Step (Dance)
Rhythm: 15 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Lowers the target defense by 3% (Max 9%), “box step I-III” effect can accumulate up to three times. Overwritten by different steps. Grants 2 flourish (Debuff Duration: 30s) (Range: 3y)
Note: Steps cannot be resisted they will always apply unless your attack misses. Steps accumulate up to 3 stacks, two different dancers can work to accumulate the stacks up to 3, but they will not increase above 3 stacks. Also if there is only one dancer in the party and they use another step effect such as quickstep they will overwrite their current step; However, if there are two dancers in the party they can apply two different steps up to 3 stacks each.
LV 30: Curing Waltz II (Dance)
Rhythm: 40 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Restores target’s HP and recovers some HP overtime. Grants Soothing Steps III. Grants 1 flourish. (Cure Potency: 600) (Max Regen: 450/ effect is instantly raised to 3 stacks) (Range: 25y)
Note: The regen is a unique effect called “Soothing Steps III” this step can stack with other regens, and is accumulated to the full efficiency of the step. When another Dancer applies their Soothing Step it’s separate from your Soothing Step similar to how two different WHM’s can have two different regens up. (This Soothing Step is the same as Curing Waltz one; however, it accumulates the step instantly, and has a default cure potency, this is the only dance that dancer has with a default cure potency and it has a very high rhythm cost so it’s mostly an emergency tool.)
LV 30: Reverse Flourish (Ability)
Flourish: ALL | Casting: Instant | Recast: 30s
Description: Consumes all of your Flourishes to increase your Rhythm. Amount accumulated varies based on flourishes consumed, requires atleast one flourish.
Note: This ability can be used to instantly get back some of your rhythm to use your cures; the amount restored varies based on the flourishes consumed. (1 flourish = 20 rhythm / 2 flourishes = 40 rhythm / 3 flourishes = 60 rhythm / 4 flourishes = 80 rhythm / 5 flourishes = 100 rhythm)
LV 35: Fairy Jig (Dance)
Flourish: 2 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Surrounds the target with a healing aura, restoring health over 15s. While channeling this dance you can use your other dances; however, you cannot use auto attacks nor weaponskills when channeling a jig. (Channeled Cure Potency: 100 – Max Regen: 500) (Fan Dance MAX: 1000) (Range: 25y)
Note: Jigs are channeled dances that temporarily keep you immobile; however, you can use other recovery dances while doing a jig, and can interrupt it if danger arises by simply moving. Channeled cures are a visual healing overtime effect.
LV 40: Dancing Edge (Weaponskill)
TP: 80 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Combo Action = Regal Gash: Potency - 300. (Range: 3y)
LV 40: Butterfly Backflip (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 35s
Description: Perform a backward kick extending your target and your distance and delivering an attack with a potency of 80, and heals the player with the highest enmity with a cure potency of 80. (8y)
Note: This is a gap extender ability. (The heal takes place at execution point)
LV 45: Jitterbug (Weaponskill)
TP: 120 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 130 to all nearby enemies. Inflicts the target with “Nervous Jitters” dealing damage overtime (Damage overtime Potency: 50 for 18s – Max Dot: 300) (Radius: 8y)
LV 46: Stutter Step (Dance)
Rhythm: 15 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Lowers the target magic defense by 3% (Max 9%), “stutter step I-III” effect can accumulate up to three times. Overwritten by different steps. Grants 2 flourish (Debuff Duration: 30s) (Range: 25y)
Note: Steps cannot be resisted they will always apply unless your attack misses. Steps accumulate up to 3 stacks, two different dancers can work to accumulate the stacks up to 3, but they will not increase above 3 stacks. Also if there is only one dancer in the party and they use another step effect such as quickstep they will overwrite their current step; however, if there are two dancers in the party they can apply two different steps up to 3 stacks each.
LV 48: Heartbreak (Weaponskill)
TP: 100 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. (3y) Combo Bonus = Dancing Edge: “Heart to Heart” Heals the player with the highest enmity with a cure potency of 350. (Range: 8y)
Note: Just for fun the animation should be a heart breaking in half since it’s the combo closer. I would replace the Machinist skill named to Heartbreak to something else; I feel this fits Dancer much better.
LV 50: Presto (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 60s
Description: Consumes all your soothing steps on the target and recovers a large sum of HP. Requires atleast one soothing step (Cure Potency: 300-900) (Range: 25y)
Note: This is the dancer emergency cure; the amount recovered depends on how many soothing steps are on the target thus doubling the potency. (Example: soothing step I has a regen potency of 150, so it would become a 300 potency cure. Likewise, soothing step III has a regen potency of 450, so it would become a 900 potency cure.)
LV 52: No Foot Rise (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 180s
Description: Restores 25% of TP and grants 5 Flourishes. Additional effect: Your next curing waltz applies the maximum soothing step stack.
Note: This is a great ability for when you don’t have any TP, Flourishes, or when you want to save some rhythm.
LV 54: Aspir Samba (Dance)
Flourish: 1 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Applies “aspir daze” on the dancer weapon recovering the MP of all nearby allies whenever the dancer attacks the enemy. Overwritten by different sambas. (Buff Duration: 60s) (Radius: 8y) (Mana Recovery: 3% per hit)
Note: Sambas cannot be resisted they will always recover unless your attack misses. Two different dancers can use different or similar sambas since the recovery is based on the dancer damage. I made the potency a static percent to not complicate the damage formula.)
LV 55: Saber Dance (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 15s | Duration: Stance
Description: Doubles your samba potencies and increases auto attack/weaponskill recast speed but renders jigs unusable.
Note: This is the first job defining stance that the dancer unlocks, they are supposed to stance dance between saber and fan dance to optimize their sambas and jigs; however, in some situations a stance will be better than the other. Saber Dance is considered the AOE Heal/DPS stance. These stances do not wear off they are similar to the astrologian stances but they can be used in combat.
LV 58: Chocobo Jig (Dance)
Flourish: 2 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Surrounds the target with a quicken aura, bestrewing a 15% haste to the target for 15s. While channeling this dance you cannot use your auto attacks weaponskills. (Channeled Haste: 15%) (Fan Dance: 30%) (Range: 25y)
Note: Jigs are channeled dances that temporarily keep you immobile; however, you can use other recovery dances while doing a jig, and can interrupt it if danger arises by simply moving.
LV 60: Fan Dance (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 15s | Duration: Stance
Description: Doubles your jigs potencies and increases movement speed but renders sambas unusable.
Note: This is the second job defining stance that the dancer unlocks, they are supposed to stance dance between saber and fan dance to optimize their sambas and jigs; however, in some situations a stance will be better than the other. Fan Dance is considered the Tank Heal/Support/Backline stance. These stances do not wear off they are similar to the astrologian stances but they can be used in combat.
LV 62: Trance (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 120s
Description: Negates the resource cost of all dances for 8s. And treats all of your curing waltz as if they were under the effect of presto. Additional Effect: Accumulates your Divine Waltz Effects as well; however, does not double the potency. (Curing Waltz I = 300 cure potency / Curing Waltz II = 900 cure potency / Divine Waltz = 500 Potency)
Note: This is a great ability for when the raid bosses are untargetable especially if you don’t have any rhythm, or your tank needs constant healing for a raid buster.
LV 64: Climatic Edge(Weaponskill)
TP: 100 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Delivers an attack with a potency of 150. (3y) Combo Bonus = Dancing Edge: “Climatic Finish" If target is below 20% HP, damage potency increased to 300.
Note: Climatic Edge is used if you want to deal damage instead of healing, you get to choose your combo closer.
LV 66: Sap Samba (Dance)
Flourish: 1 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 5s
Description: Applies “sap daze” on the dancer weapon recovering the TP of all nearby allies whenever the dancer attacks the enemy. Overwritten by different sambas. (Buff Duration: 60s) (Radius: 8y) (TP Recovery: 3% per hit)
Note: Sambas cannot be resisted they will always recover unless your attack misses. Two different dancers can use different or similar sambas since the recovery is based on the dancer damage. I made the potency a static percent to not complicate the damage formula.)
LV 68: Adamantoise Jig (Dance)
Flourish: 2 | Casting: Instant | Recast: 2.5s
Description: Surrounds the target with a defensive aura, bestrewing a 15% defense bonus to the target for 15s. While channeling this dance you cannot use your auto attacks and weaponskills. (Channeled Defense: 15%) (Fan Dance: 30%) (Range: 25y)
Note: Jigs are channeled dances that temporarily keep you immobile; however, you can use other recovery dances while doing a jig, and can interrupt it if danger arises by simply moving.
LV 70: Grand Pas (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 45s
Description: Grants the target the effect of ”Corps de Ballet” absorbing the damage of all attacks for the next 5s, after expiration of the buff the target will receive the effect of “strenuous training” redistributing the damage to the target over the next 9s.
Note: This is the barrier for Dancer, this should be used for tank busters; however, it would be better if your co-healer handles barriers, because what this really does is only split the damage overtime to provide more time for healing.
Traits
LV 1: Tactical Footwork
Description: abilities that restore MP instead restore TP based on the percentage of MP that would have been restored by the skill. And makes healer role actions function off DEX instead of MND.
LV 20: Tranquil Heart
Description: Reduces enmity/threat generation from healing overtime effects by 10%.
LV 20: Subtle Blow
Description: Reduces enmity/threat generation from auto attacks and weaponskills by 10%.
LV 25: Maim and Mend
Description: Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 10%.
LV 25: Enhanced Dexterity
Description: Increases Dexterity by 8.
LV 32: Love Tap
Description: Grants a 10% chance that after a samba strike or curing waltz, the rhythm cost for the next Curing Waltz II will be 0.
LV 40: Enhanced Dexterity II
Description: Increases Dexterity by 16.
LV 40: Maim and Mend
Description: Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 30%.
LV 46: Closed Position
Description: When you are up-close to your target (8y or closer) your evasion and defense is increased by 5% every 5s up to a maximum of 20%. Closed Position is reduced to the default value whenever an attack successfully hits you, and restarts the build-up process again.
Note: I added a degradation to prevent abuse, and to not make them some type of niche tank.
LV 54: Subtle Blow II
Description: Reduces enmity/threat generation from auto attacks and weaponskills by 30%.
LV 54: Tranquil Heart II
Description: Reduces enmity/threat generation from healing overtime effects by 30%.
LV 60: Enhanced Dexterity III
Description: Increases Dexterity by 24.
LV 68: Contradance
Description: If you interrupt your jig you have a 35% chance of earning one flourish.
Hope you guys liked this idea, and even if dancer doesn't end up using any of this I do hope SE invents a way to make them interesting healers. Got a idea? share it, like it? give a like, Any Suggestions? feel free to leave them here.
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FFXIV Dancer 5.0 (In-depth Job Concept)
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04-10-2018, 05:14 AMBrightshadowFFXIV Dancer 5.0 (In-depth Job Concept)
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04-13-2018, 05:43 PMEloah
I applaud this concept. It is clear that you have thought things through. Not everything may be as fine tuned as it may look, but this is what a Job speculation should look like, simple, to the point, and easy to follow. Personally I can't say if the aspect would work on the game as is, but with some tweaking I don't see why it couldn't. I definitely get the concept you are going for. I do have a few things that stuck out to me.
The first is your Raise skill, Encore. Personally, I'd say it should fall more in line with the other Raise skills. If Dancer was going to be like Bard and have a myriad of support skills i'd say leave it as is, but they are meant to be the healer and their Raise should work the same.
The second is your stances. They seem fine as is, and truthfully I'd have to look more in depth to see a bigger issue, but your use of Sambas and Jigs seems off. You get 3 of each, which is fine, I guess, but the timing of when you get each set feels a bit unbalanced, not bad, just slightly lopsided' think WAR from HW onward, they lose balance pre 54. Remember that each Job gets their main gimmick at 30 if not sooner; Machinist being the exception at 40. I would just suggest moving the stances up a little.
With your Traits. The one called Closed Position, while good in theory might cause issue, since the system determining what is considered an "encounter" might get muddled. Maybe make it reduce the damage you'd take by 25% or if you kill them you absorb their HP, something akin to that. Also the Trait Enhanced Mind? I thought their main stat was Dex? Shouldn't it be Enhanced Dexterity? -
04-13-2018, 05:57 PMSeraphor
Sticking them in Scouting gear with traits to 'fix' their set up and convert Dex to Mind seems very disjointed and I don't see SE ever doing this.
I like the concept, but we're much more likely to see Dancer as a utility DPS.
Besides, we could do with more feminine DPS and more masculine healers. Perhaps a Calculator as a healer? -
04-14-2018, 02:37 AMEloah
If we are going by promo art, Monk, Bard, Red Mage, and Black Mage are all females. But also every healer is female too... and every tank male... dammit SE, at least the DPS are diverse.
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04-14-2018, 05:02 AMBrightshadowI appreciate all your support and ideas for this job concept and I have taken most of these ideas and fixed them; here is some feedback of the changes, or why I didn't change a certain aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
1.) I had trouble thinking of a raise skill for a TP job so I decided to make them use their flourish resource since the MP cost of raise is pretty high for the other healers; however, after thinking it over I decided to make it more steamline and instead I made it similar to the other raise skills I just made them use TP instead of MP.
2.) The stances are a high level; because I want DNC's weaving between sambas and jigs at higher levels. you will have to stance dance between the two stances depending on whether the party needs AOE healing (saber dance) or main tank healing (fan dance). At lower levels I don't want to hinder them with the stances, thus I want them to get accustomed to swapping between jigs and sambas without the stances first, then at higher levels with the stances.
3.) The main gimmick of DNC isn't the stances, it's the DOTH (Damage Overtime Healing) and regen healing stacks, think of the stances somewhat similar to enochian.
4.) Changed up closed position, thanks for the suggestion I had a hard time coming up with a idea for it, but I think a defensive bonus is just what they need in the frontlines. And I added a degradation upon hitreceived to prevent abuse.
5.) Sorry about the Enhanced Mind lol, that was an oversight of my original submission on reddit. I had them using MND gear originally, but I really don't feel like it fits them.
Why not? SE added NIN to DEX gear when it was primarily a Range Gear, there is no reason why it couldn't work that I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphor
Lol there is a male & woman in the concept art I added, and that was a DNC concept from FFXI a game also made from SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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04-14-2018, 06:08 AMGhishlain
So it's taken me a bit to get the time to review this but now I have an I really enjoyed going through the details. I can tell all the XI influences and I feel you've transitioned the XI equivalents quite well into the XIV universe.
What I personally enjoy a lot is the whole HoT-mechanic with the dancer's aesthetic. As a Druid healer from WoW who really wants a Dancer in XIV, this really hits two birds with one stone for me =D
From a more theorycraft standpoint, as with any theoretical piece, values should be taken with a grain of salt and can always be tweaked for fun. I think the one crazy tool in this entire kit is Chocobo Jig combined with Fan Dance. A 50% Haste value on a single target is INSANE and theoretically doubles the target's DPS for the duration of the buff. That is the one thing I'd look at most out of the entire kit you've proposed with minor tweaks probably towards the %-recovery on your TP and MP sambas. The rest of the kit at face value looks fun.
Good job :) -
04-14-2018, 06:45 AMBrightshadowThank You for your feedback! It's finally nice to see my thread getting some recognition. Was starting to think nobody liked this concept....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghishlain
1.) When I was making DNC the first thing I determined was that I wanted something unique like SCH, and while I love AST I was very upset that it was basically a WHM with some barriers and some different animations. At first I didn't know if a "regen" style would work for the job since WHM is currently the master of regens, but after some thought I thought why should WHM be the master of regen, they should dabble in all forms of healing since they are the masters of white (healing) magic, and thus I created unique regen mechanics for DNC, as well as added a niche with DPS healing. I want Dancer to be a fun and enticing option for those that want to DPS but find healing boring. A good DNC should always be DPSing, with channeling as their emergency clutch.
2.) Sorry about the Jig potencies lol. Been awhile since I updated the idea and I had a oversight and completely forgot that Fan Dance doubled potencies. However, I lowered it back to 15% (30% Fan Dance). I feel 30% is fair since it more on par with AST enhanced cards, remember that they are immobile while channeling, completely lose access to their DPS kit, and at the same time they lose most of their AOE healing since sambas (auto attacks) are a big part of their AOE healing, so they would only have access to divine waltz for AOE healing when channeling a jig. -
04-14-2018, 07:31 AMEloahLol, I just meant the concept art for the XIV Jobs. Admittedly, Dancer does seem like they'd make the concept art depict a female.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
Also on the topic, why does only WHM depict a lala, its not even a lala job. Both lala jobs don't even depict a lala... well the thaumaturge art is one so half win, lol. But no SCH, T.T -
04-15-2018, 12:07 AMGhishlainI think when people see a massive wall of text they go "I think I'll skip". Also since you haven't seen any completely negative criticisms, I'd say no news is still good news in this case~ So, don't get discouraged :) In the grand scheme of things, as long as you enjoyed thinking it up, that's the best part so don't feel discouraged~Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
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04-17-2018, 12:45 AMBrightshadow
I been thinking about adding a gap-closer/extender to the job, what do you guys think? Should DNC have a gap closer/extender?
For the gap closer I wanted it to resemble this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbp1a1mtl9A
(Skip to 0:20)
For the gap extender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOPUU8YNRbY
(Watch 0:00 - 0:10)
Remember damage amount is the same from whatever distance only attack speed increases which can also be considered a DPS increase.
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04-17-2018, 12:48 AMElasmoFan
I'm not gonna lie, a part of me wants dancer to be a melee support akin to bard as opposed to a healer. Very unpopular opinion and probably doubtful but I like weird things. I do hope it makes it into the game one way or another though.
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04-18-2018, 07:22 AMGhishlainI suddenly want scissors as weapons for this job concept. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
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04-18-2018, 10:05 AMMartaDemireux
Interesting idea but after years of advocating for DEX based Healing DNC, I just don’t feel it has a place in XIV now. It adds unnecessary complications and would be confusing for many people.
I’d rather see DNC as a chakram/fan (similar enough that both models could be used, like how DRK has a spiked greatclub) melee DPS with support akin to RDM and BRD while wearing scouting gear. Able to toss out a Waltz for a cost if necessary, no raise, steps/flourishes to be a personal mechanic and sambas to be the equivalent of BRD songs’ crit buffs. In some FFs, BRD buffs and DNC debuffs and I’d like to see that contrast return in XIV. -
04-20-2018, 01:44 AMBrightshadow
Small update decided to add two new abilities a gap closer and gap extender as per my last post:
And also added a lore section.
LV 6: Butterfly Twirl (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 40s
Description: Perform a rushing twirl jump toward your target delivering an attack with a potency of 80, and Heals the player with the highest enmity with a cure potency of 160. (8y)
Note: This is a gap closer ability. (The heal takes place at destination point)
LV 40: Butterfly Backflip (Ability)
Casting: Instant | Recast: 35s
Description: Perform a backward kick extending your target and your distance and delivering an attack with a potency of 80, and Heals the player with the highest enmity with a cure potency of 160. (8y)
Note: This is a gap extender ability. (The heal takes place at execution point)
Lore
10 years ago tomes show that there existed a secret society of sorcerous gypsies that hailed from the city-state of thavnair. Not much is known about these mysterious gypsies; however, legend tells about how these mysterious entertainers invoked their sorcery in a peculiar fashion. Rather than using incantations like their common sorcerous cants they sway their bodies in order to manipulate the aether around them, re-energizing their allies by restoring their health, or bewitching their foes with crippling debilitating effects; however, due to the fear of the royals of thavnair, some of them paid a mafia organization to exterminate these gypsies but they weren't fully successful, rumors say that many of these gypsies are now disguised as dancers and have relocated to many different parts around Eorzea secretly acting as spy's to bring down the mafia organization that attempted to eradicate them, and to bring justice to their fallen brothers and sisters. Your journey as a dancer begins when you approach the dancing Miqo'te troupe in Ul'dah as any level 50 job. (A cutscene will trigger allowing you to talk to the troupe leader npc.) -
04-20-2018, 01:49 AMBrightshadowWhile I do respect your opinion, I disagree with making them a DPS we already have a entertainer (BRD) as our DPS why should both entertainers be forced into the DPS role, this game needs new healers and tanks as well as DPS. And DNC can make a great candidate thanks to their evolution into more of a support unit in the newer spin-offs like FF dimensions that offers them curing waltz and other similar support dances.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElasmoFan
Lol glad you enjoyed the video's but scissors as a weapon that seems a bit dangerous with all the dancing we are going to be doing O_O *jk*, maybe instead we can have Jandelaine become the DNC mentor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghishlain
As I said to ElasmoFan I see the appeal of why people might want it as a DPS, but not all jobs can be DPS we need some healers/tanks as well. Plus I guarantee you if White Mage wasn't in the game people would be clamouring for it to be a DPS too lol. As for DEX being a confusing stat, I don't know why it would be confusing, you can't really allocate stats and clearly the gear you would be able to equip would be DEX gear. The only confusion might be accessories but if it's really so confusing then Square Enix could lock accessories based on jobs...Quote:
Originally Posted by MartaDemireux
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04-21-2018, 01:41 PMRayo
I'm liking your Healing Dancer, though I'll be honest that I'm more a tank than a healer (which is very clear from my own Healer Job Idea action pool feeling very disjointed) and most of the stuff here flew over my head first time reading it. I'd love to see any future ideas you post!
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04-25-2018, 12:29 AMCupidCrux
Full disclosure I miss how FFXI DNC was, good balance of DPS and Healing. I don't know wth they did with SCH, BRD, RDM in 14, but I could go either way for DNC in 14: healer with buffs, DPS with buffs/debuffs, or 3rd if they finally decide to have a full assist job that's all buffs/debuffs and their DPS gets put into other party members like AST cards do while assisting healers so they can relax and DPS more if they choose.
On the point of female/male art and job play style, 14 could go a different route entirely with it so instead of being sensual in silk or even Spanish/French based like in XI... With that hint of New World (native american) armor they could easily throw in a masculine dance stance, more tribal, like berserker meets dancer. The NIN body actions and flips even work. Doesnt all have to be fluid ballets.
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04-29-2018, 10:16 PMTaranTatsuuchiQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
Well... They could make dancer a tank...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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05-10-2018, 12:11 AMBrightshadow
TLTR Version List
-Made some big changes to the job idea in the characteristics section (Lore, Weapon)
-Made some minor adjustments on potencies and the way skills function in abilities section. (Especially Curing Waltz I and No Foot Rise.)
-Made some minor adjustments on potencies and reworded some traits in the trait section.
-Changed up the format to not make it a wall of text, and more eye friendly. (Added show to expand boxes, and an additional picture.)
Changes List
• Story of the Lore changed/expanded.
• Weapon: Tessen (Removed Hooks, made them purely Melee based to not discourage frontline combat.)
• Rhythm Gauge: Reduced Weaponskill Rhythm Granted from 12 to 8
• Violent Cut – Changed Potency
• Curing Waltz – Changed Resource to TP (So they can use it from the backlines if melee combat not appropriate.)
• Curing Waltz – Added a grants 1 Flourish mechanic, so backline Dancers can use Jigs and other dances that require flourishes.
• Butterfly Twirl – Lowered Heal Potency from 160 to 80.
• Drain Samba – Increased Heal Potency from 50 to 75. (Eos is around a ~166 potency cure I don't think a 75 potency cure /w saber dance 150 potency is overpowered in any way.
• ALL Steps – Now grant 2 flourishes instead of 1.
• Regal Gash – Increased Combo Potency
• Curing Waltz II – Lowered Rhythm from 45 to 40
• Butterfly Backflip – Lowered Heal Potency from 160 to 80.
• No Foot Rise – Added a TP Recovery Mechanism, otherwise remains the same.
• ALL Enhancement Sambas – Lowered Recovery per hit from 5% to 3%
• Saber Dance – Now also lowers weaponskill recast time
• Heartbreaker – Renamed to Heartbreak (Machinist Needs a renamed ability)
• Heartbreaker – Reduced combo heal potency from 450 to 350.
• Heartbreaker – Level lowered to 48 (I want them to have this tool before ARR/HW Raids its a very useful tools for their DPS healing kit.
• Climatic Edge (New Ability) – Since I lowered the level of Heartbreak, I decided to replace that level skill with a different option for a damage combo closer, this is weaker than dancing edge since dancing edge is 300 potency, and perhaps it would be better to use Heartbreak, but this is a DPS increase of 50 potency if you don't need the extra healing. If your enemy is below 20% the potency doubles making it akin to dancing edge. But you would still have to decide between whether you need the healing from Heartbreak or the extra damage of Climatic Edge.
• Maiden of the Battlefield (Trait) – Removed
• Tactical Footwork (Trait) – Added makes healer role actions function off DEX instead of MND but otherwise remains the same.
• Love Tap (Trait) – Added Curing Waltz into the triggering of the trait, otherwise remains the same.
• Contradance (Trait) – Increased chance of earning one flourish from 25% to 35% when interrupting jigs.
• Closed Position (Trait) – Increased buildup time from 3s for 5% - maximum of 20%, to 5s for 5% - maximum of 20%.
• Trance – Lowered Duration to 8s felt it was a tad overpowered even if WHM get thin air for 12s, since DNC Will have the highest damage output.
• Trance – I noticed I didn't really give them a proper strong emergency AOE heal, and even SCH gets one with Indomitability, so I decided to allow it to also function with Divine Waltz, but it does not give the Presto effect because Presto doubles potencies and that would be overpowered.
• Several Name changes done to effects like Divine Aura = Divine Rumba / Soothing Aura = Soothing Step