Stop being such a sore loser

Oh no! We lost! Let me go hop on my alt on this other server that I created solely to lambaste the other players because they are all clearly inept and couldn't tank/heal/dps their way out of a wet paper bag!


Oh, and after I get my say in, I've got to hurry up and log off because I can dish it out but I sure can't take it.


You know, when you do this, it reflects more poorly on you than any built up angst or issues you have against another player.

People are only human.

Sometimes we mess up and we realize it, but can't tell you (thanks, quick chat!).

Sometimes (ok, all the time) we can't heal/cover through walls and get marked with NO because you died behind said wall.

Sometimes EVERYONE is shouting who to attack and changing the target every 10 seconds so that a burst is split and does nothing.

Or any other number of things happen in a match. Some are within our control, some aren't. It's life. One team is going to be defeated.

If someone is new, or on a different class than you usually see them, don't just get all triggered and tilted and salty to the point where you have to go log off, log into their server, have your say in and go all REEEEEE on them.

Sure, it might feel cathartic to go and get that rant out, but all you're doing is dissuading that person from trying the feast or trying a different class. And I mean, do you REALLY want to play with the same people match after match?

I feel like less and less people are playing Feast because some people can't handle losing. When you log onto that alt and blast someone and then log off before they can reply, it shows that you are nothing but an immature coward and a sore loser.

I've had many teammates in my matches reach out to me and tell me how to improve. They've given me macros, helped me strategize and generally been very positive in their feedback. That's extremely helpful to me.

What isn't helpful is when people jump on an alt created solely for the purpose of dissuading others from playing and then fuss and fume like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.

When you do this (to me, anyway), not only do you get blacklisted, but you also get reported, so ask yourself before you log off - is it really worth it?

Fair play to you - I have no idea how you can endure PVP in this game. You're either a saint or mad.

I don't think players realize this at all, but it's just a game. A match is not a life and death situation. Lol.

I started this game in September of last year. I haven't touched PvP, and I don't ever intend to. The PvP reward mounts look pretty cool, but from all the terrible things I've heard about Feast, it's not worth it at all.

Feast is really all about communication (and in its current iteration, who can mash buttons the fastest).

The lack of chat puts another layer of difficulty on top of what is already a high risk/high reward situation. I like competitiveness. What I like even better though, is improving my abilities as a character -- be that in pvp or pve. I don't raid savage because my schedule isn't consistent but if it were, I definitely would, because I like the aspect of a team working together toward a goal.

Feast does not give you that feeling (at least, not solo ranked).

I really think the problems people have with Feast all started when they threw in exclusive, limited rewards to encourage more people to play it. Instead, it had the opposite effect.

For every kind, helpful and encouraging teammate you got, you got five others who were raging, toxic, elitist punks. Who wants to spin the roulette wheel when the odds are like that?

They really should've left it at titles and trophies. I'd still participate even then but I wonder who else would.

Do you even care at people ranting on you? It's just as bad as what they do. If you're a good player, but ppl still trash talk you, ignore. Lol.

By the end of the day, those who are really good or at least consistently good will easily climb, and those who don't will get stuck in certain ranks.

And for those who are new to the game and reluctant to try pvp, I encourage you to try. Go to the wolf pups den discord and see the guides there, ask around for advice, and play. Try it out. Don't go with what ppl say. Not all pvp players are assholes, but keep in mind it's a competitive mode and losing sometimes can be quite frustrating.

Welcome to PvP in a nutshell, either winning team usually gloats and acts like they're the gods of PvP or the losers trash talk the winners...I can't say I remember a time when this didn't happen, back in the days of the arcades, people would get pissed for someone beating their highscore and take it out on them, or getting beat in a fighting game and call them cheaters or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

Welcome to PvP in a nutshell

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Pretty much this. PvP attracts this sort of behaviour sadly, a lot of people can't handle a competitive mode without going crazy and frustrated when they lose.

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Originally Posted by Iceboy

Do you even care at people ranting on you?

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Personally? I couldn't care less. They might as well yell at a wall. If someone has constructive criticism -- like "when you're being targeted, you should do X next time" or "when you're going to burst, do Y instead", I am all ears. But I am also still learning, so I will mess up sometimes, as we all do.


And yeah, I get that it's competitive and people get frustrated. Even I get frustrated and yell at the characters on the screen sometimes. I'm not saying you can't feel angry. I'm saying it makes you look like a complete imbecile when you're so frustrated, you feel the need to:

1) log off your server
2) log onto someone else's, on a character you solely created just so you could rant at them after a feast match
3) fuss and fume and stomp your feet like a belligerent toddler, and
4) then log off before the recipient of your rage has even managed to read your wall of expletives

I mean seriously, all that does is make you look like a petulant knob.

I also want to chime in and add that Wolf Pups Den has been by far the most supportive, kind and helpful network of PVP players I've had the fortune of playing with.

Lots of kids play pvp in this game sadly and cant handle loosing and it shows i can name a few on Chaos that keeps marking players as Ignore instead of actually playing the game

Also you say Wolfs pup discord is a nice place i have one thing to add to that "Bullshit" i have been linked so many shit posts from there in our pvp linkshell on Odin trash talking other players and general toxic behavior so i recommend you to stay away from that place lol.

Hey Lloyd,

You might want to edit out the names from your post as it could get you banned.

Wolf pups for primal at least is a helpful place. Not near as much trash talk as that other discord.

When they add ranking to it, it no longer makes it "just a game" in people's eyes. You wind up getting a persistent penalty in the form of losing rank from matches, and a lot of times you lose them from no fault of your own, because you can't really compensate for a teammate in Feast. So people get really mad. You can't make it all serious and ranked, and then on the other hand "it's just a game bro, lol." That guy who just did 5 matches as straight losses because his healer got outplayed and watches his ratings or his promotion tank will struggle not to rage.

I think this game, and games in general, have a problem with how much skilled play they tend to expect randoms to do together. PvP and Savage really have an issue where you all have to be roughly the same skill to make it work; any mismatch really kills your chance at victory.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I think this game, and games in general, have a problem with how much skilled play they tend to expect randoms to do together. PvP and Savage really have an issue where you all have to be roughly the same skill to make it work; any mismatch really kills your chance at victory.

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This is very true, and one of the main reasons why I wish SE would remove all rewards from solo and promote and police group play. Let solo ranked be the training mode, and group ranked be where the true competitive aspect happens.

Everything beyond this point is a rant, not a personal attack toward anyone.

I just recently started the feast, and for the most part have been helpful, but I have gotten asshats that log over say one thing then log off, which annoys me if you want to be a salty prick commit to the gimmick and stick around so I can laugh my ass off while your rating tanks because you are simply unable to carry an unranked pleb through bronze league matches. I tried to queue for training but it hardly ever pops, so begs the question why do people complain about the skill level of players when the only way to improve is to queue up and gain experience.

End of the day it is not my desire to bring down the rating of others, but truth be told training hardly ever pops so if I want to gain experience only way to do so is through solo ranked. So people really need to get over this mindset of bitching at others for those loss, unless the person in question played 100% perfectly they have no reason to solely place the blame on another person. That is all they are doing looking for excuses which is pathetic. Help the person out or ignore them and move on. Do not mark them with ignore, then log over to tell them never to queue again then off, that does not help anyone and I am 100% percent sure it does not bring back your rating.

One person did stick around after they told me never to queue again, and when I asked them why do not they not simply play tank and avoid having me on their team they said they were once a top 100 DPS, and when I asked for advice they told me to queue training --which I have tried it never pops-- in the end their final word of wisdom was wait till preseason. Really so that is what I am meant to do wait till preseason to learn a new game mode because I am ruining their chances to get out of bronze league because they are unwilling to be flexible and queue tank so they can avoid me. Pretty sure game sense is enough to get a W verse a tank that has no freaking clue as to what they are doing, or my guess in that situation they would simply blame the DPS and never take personal responsibility.

On the brighter note due to the help and advice from the PvP discord I have gotten up to a positive win percentage was 0 and 5, now I am 14 and 6.The PvP community is far from bad, and I wish they would bring back chat, since I am not going to let some mean comments prevent me from queuing and it would be more helpful getting feedback in the moment outside of asking questions from players that were not in match with me. Though for that to happen people need to come to terms with the fact that solo queue will always be a joke and if you want to be truly competitive field a team, or as a community let us figure out a way to make training feast viable and give people a reason to want to use it.

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Originally Posted by snipski

i can name a few on Chaos that keeps marking players as Ignore

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The irony behind these words...

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Originally Posted by Awha

but I have gotten asshats that log over say one thing then log off, which annoys me if you want to be a salty prick commit to the gimmick and stick around so I can laugh my ass off while your rating tanks because you are simply unable to carry an unranked pleb through bronze league matches.

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This is why I decided to set myself as /busy when I PVP. I try to stay connected to the Wolves Den Pups PVP discord server though, so my team mates can give me pointers and such.

Also, nobody takes personal responsibility for anything. It is always "blame any other class but yourself." That's why many people who are new to PVP tend to call all PVP'ers "toxic elitists" because they act as if they're absolutely perfect at all times, in every game.

Obviously not all veteran PVPers are that way, but I can see where the perception comes from. I've had good help on the Primal part of Wolf Pups Den, can't say much about other data centers.

That kind of players will never improve.

They're the same that go AFK after they die at the start of the game, when there's still 3+ minutes left (you can report them btw, SE banns if they get 2+ reports). That kind of players will never learn from their own mistakes because they think they're playing at the optimal level.


I've had the same problem as well.
Typical scenario: a DPS tunnelvisions the entire fight, hiding behind walls and columns, bitting all the enemy baits, and when he dies he spamms to me (the healer) the ignore mark, and after the match he whispers me (I never answer).

Sadly, he will never understand what he did wrong and he'll keep doing the same until some day he gets reported.

I agree people should stop being sore losers

This should also apply to people who beg for rewards they didn't work for or deserve in the first place. You weren't good enough champ, just understand the facts and accept it.

Stop being such a sore loser!

Those who mind don't matter, those who matter don't mind. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Aviars

I agree people should stop being sore losers

This should also apply to people who beg for rewards they didn't work for or deserve in the first place. You weren't good enough champ, just understand the facts and accept it.

Stop being such a sore loser!

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I know this is a bait, but let us be real not many have asked for the rewards to be handed to them. While I have said that it would not bother me if rare rewards I have obtained were given away, I do understand that for many that is not the case. In the end you could say some do not deserve since they did not reach top 100 fair enough, but by no means do you have enough information to claim that someone did not work for it.

During season 3 and 4, when the Hellhounds were available, I had to stop Feasting as someone very dear to me was stricken with cancer and I stopped to help support them. There is nothing like a life-threatening illness affecting someone you love to shift your priorities (they are in remission now). So, yeah. Those are the facts.

If someone wants to twist that and say "well you didn't work hard enough, you don't deserve it", then I hope something similar NEVER happens to you or someone you care about, because all those digital rewards in a game? They mean absolutely NOTHING at that point.

I say this not to "make excuses" or any of that nonsense, but to tell you ("you" as in all players) that you have NO idea what someone on the other side of the screen is going through or dealing with in their lives and some overblown competition absolutely comes second, or third, or five-hundredth in the list of priorities.

maybe you should have improved enough from previous seasons and got to top 100 with about 120 games played total.

Perhaps one day, I will. I am certainly working toward it!

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Originally Posted by snipski

Lots of kids play pvp in this game sadly and cant handle loosing and it shows i can name a few on Chaos that keeps marking players as Ignore instead of actually playing the game

Also you say Wolfs pup discord is a nice place i have one thing to add to that "Bullshit" i have been linked so many shit posts from there in our pvp linkshell on Odin trash talking other players and general toxic behavior so i recommend you to stay away from that place lol.

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