Let me provide you all with some context. I queued into leveling roulette as my level 69 ninja and got into the level 69 dungeon. We started progressing and killing and just before the first boss the tank runs back to the beginning and and sits down without saying a word, we tried to be patient assuming maybe it was an emergency, but he never came back. After waiting 15 minutes we finally decided we needed to boot him or we would not finish the dungeon in time. Later after replenishing our party we moved forward and just before the second boss our healer reaches level 70. As soon as they reached level 70 they left the dungeon only to leave us once again looking for another hard to find important role so we can finish the dungeon. I myself try not to be so critical about everything, however i wanted to get other peoples opinions on this as i have started seeing this happen a lot more often and i do kind of feel that its rude behavior and not right to do that sort of thing to other people who are trying to get things done because they don't have as much time to play the game as others.. I feel as though when you click that commence button on a duty you should be committed to it unless something important comes up. Not intentionally leave halfway through because you capped and don't feel like finishing the run. Being lucky we managed to get a healer and tank to finish it, but i feel that some people aren't that lucky and have to end up with a botched run simply because the person who left was lazy or something. Now don't get me wrong, this is less of a rant and more of a post to find out where other people stand on this. I welcome everyone's opinions whether i agree or disagree with them.
Is this disruptive behaviour?
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03-24-2018, 04:11 AMMizunokoIs this disruptive behaviour?
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03-24-2018, 04:19 AMSeig345
It's hard to have a definitive opinion on this specific incident given the lack of both sides of the story; however, neither situation sounds like the individual was dealing with an IRL emergency. If the tank had time to run back to the beginning and sit down, then odds are they were being rude. The odds are also unlikely that the healer just happened to have an emergency pop up the second they hit level 70.
RL happens, but if you have the time to run back to the entrance or manually leave the instance/shut the game off (as opposed to immediately leaving your seat), you likely had a few extra seconds to say "something came up irl, gotta go, sorry".
I don't play very frequently during the week, so my personal experiences may not be indicative of whether this is really a widespread issue or not, but I'm leaning towards 'not'. It's unfortunate when you run into those kinds of people though. -
03-24-2018, 04:25 AMTridus
I don't know what the tank was doing, frankly. That doesn't make much sense at all unless he's hoping to get kicked. The healer was rude, yes.
Unfortunately people like that are out there sometimes. :( -
03-24-2018, 04:34 AMNephthysVasudanAny behaivour that disrupts the dungeon to the point that it is causing harm to the party.... is a report-able offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizunoko
The tank sitting down is someone that would get GM slapped easily....with zero communication and no indications of whats going on....its considered very offensive.
However...if someone "ditches" the dungeon..that sadly is preferred over "sitting down doing nothing"
It's not fun...but that's just how it is.
Everything else is basically subjective....if your not sure...ask a GM.
Generally anyone who does things like that - will end up blacklisted for my purposes anyway....but it depends on what/who/why/when/where/how. -
03-24-2018, 04:35 AMManuelBravo
Sadly I hate to tell you this you will encounter players like that. Once they reach their goals they forget about others. Kind of why I tend to stay away from FC's. Their are a couple of options though, IF you have a FC or Tank LS for these situations they can be overcome. Also If they just exit they get a penalty, kind of why they like to taunt people into vote kick instead.
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03-24-2018, 04:38 AMMizunokoI do agree with you on that. Also about the part where you said whether its widespread or not. All i know is if its not widespread then i have been having some bad luck hehe. I have managed to end up with these types of people a good few times over the past couple weeks and i feel it can be frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seig345
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03-24-2018, 04:43 AMAkashiXI
The white probably left because they were just as annoyed as you were about the tank. Not saying what he did was right, but they probably had a f%#$ this moment once they dinged
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03-24-2018, 04:46 AMMizunokoI can understand a little if it is because they were frustrated, however when the healer left it was after we had gotten a new tank and were making good progress again. So it makes me wonder if its really due to that. What really seems suspicious is that they left once they reached level 70. It just seems like too much to be a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by AkashiXI
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03-24-2018, 05:31 AMMizunokoHow do you blacklist people in dungeons? i don't see any option for that when i click their name.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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03-24-2018, 05:56 AMCanadaneFrom your Contact List after you've left the instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizunoko
However this doesn't stop you from being grouped with them last I checked, it just stops their chat from showing up in your log. -
03-24-2018, 06:06 AMSenorPatty
Because he ran back from the 1st boss location all the way to entrance and then sat, it will be seen as disruptive. A player who was moving and then suddenly stops moving, you could say shit happened in RL. The only thing--and mind you, I'm stretching as hell here-that I could think of that made the tank do what he did was he was trying to leave the dgn manually and something happened on his end. Again, stretching as hell here. I'm more inclined to believe he was trolling.
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03-24-2018, 06:09 AMVstarstruck
The tanks actions it is possible to be reportable but I would not give them 15 minutes if they ran to the start of the dungeon and sat down. If I saw that, and they did not answer within 1-2 minutes, I would vote propose then. They had plenty of time to say something as they ran to the start.
Healer did nothing wrong, a GM will tell you that is what the penalty is for. I personally do not like such actions but that is how the GMs see things. -
03-24-2018, 07:15 AMRongway
There are two types of disruptive behavior. The first, the one explicitly mentioned in the user agreement, is network-based. The second, which we're more interested in, is implied and therefore up to interpretation.
Personally I agree with Nephthys above.
When someone joins the party and then refuses to do his job, that is disruptive. In particular, if the person makes it a point to return (run?? really?) to the beginning and sit, this is a deliberate display of contempt. And considering that there is an idle kick at 10 min, if the 15 min later claim was not hyperbole then he was present and interacting with the game but ignoring you. In this case, a vote kick would be appropriate (I'd say much sooner than 15 min, though) and a report to GM would not be uncalled-for. Leveling dungeons are designed so that you need a tank, and if the tank is pouting in a corner, then the rest of the party can't do but twiddle their thumbs.
The healer, while rude/unsportsmanlike, was not reportably disruptive. The person left the dungeon and took the penalty for doing so. Sure, the party had to wait (again) to fill the spot, but the difference that time was that he vacated the spot on his own, so the party could start polling for a replacement immediately. -
03-24-2018, 10:11 AMHasrat
Idk. Everyone saying to just kick the tank sooner, but, I woulda been too petty/vindictive for that. Clearly tank is fishing for the kick to avoid penalty, may as well waste more of their time if they want to waste yours.
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03-24-2018, 12:46 PMRufalus
I feel that it's common courtesy to finish. The person who leveled up and left was only thinking about themselves. They should have just stayed on the extra 10-15 mins to help the party. It's quite rare for me to leave something without an emergency. I would have to be feeling bad/tired or perceiving the other players as rude and not possible to cooperate with.
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03-24-2018, 01:19 PMXiXiQ
had a tank behave similarly in darkhold a while ago. basically got into the dungeon and just stood there doing nothing (other than a few emotes now and then so he was still there). it was far too early to kick, so I contacted a GM, and quite soon after that he vanished and we could get a new player in. No idea why some tanks do this - possibly they are of the opinion they can be kicked immediately if they don't like the dungeon rather than taking the penalty. Maybe they are just badly programmed bots.
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03-24-2018, 01:29 PMNephthysVasudanFishing for a kick or not.... I'd report his ass....he'd get more than he bargained for. (A Kick alone is not enough)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
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03-24-2018, 03:13 PMVstarstruckI have a lot of issues with some of your post but this I fully agree with. (even if it is basically what I said anyway, just a bit more blunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
I remember a tank doing this once with me and us 3 just slowly went at it without him. after like 10 minutes he left on his own (or auto kick, not sure, but penalty anyway, and well earned one) + reported ofc.
Def report fish kicking though, do not hesitate, I would def talk to a gm about the tank, healer no. -
03-24-2018, 03:31 PMAylis
In the case of the tank, yeah that could fall under disruptive behavior, no communication and basically locking the role/party slot so you couldn't recruit another till you booted them. As for the healer, while yes its a jerk move but its not disruptive. You can't force someone to stay if they don't want to no matter the circumstances behind them leaving and the party slot was freed up so you could recruit another.