The maximum zoom distance should be limited & need to reduce some bosses size

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I am talking about the immersion, the presence,

Now people mostly zoom as far as possible, because the boss mechanics (they need some changes too?)
that make us look so tiny, to “fix” this visual issue，some new bosses size are too large,
that looks weird, unnatural & less engaging

The goal is to make the game more fun, it is a design problem & logic ,
Not because: "I need to zoom out to dodge something", it's because YOU CAN ZOOM THAT FAR, so there are more AoEs, & the AoEs are larger, the bosses are larger, and our characters are so tiny,

it's not fun if the game mechanics force you to zoom very far, or the mechanics are designed under such zoom distance (large AoEs),
or the boss size is stupidly big, you've to zoom very far to see what's happening, that's not fun


1.0 Garuda
https://i.imgur.com/b14qJHZ.jpg

2.0 Garuda, everything is tiny
https://i.imgur.com/b0Wgonh.jpg

Sigma v2, boss is very large, but it doesn't help much, it doesn't look very powerful or deadly, because the zoom distance is very far
https://i.imgur.com/0caA7aO.jpg

another bad example, WOW
https://i.imgur.com/AJG3VzN.jpg

another good example, MHW
https://i.imgur.com/1y8Z8Hy.jpg

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Originally Posted by Malzian

You need the zoom distance for the size of our arenas and the AoEs. You reference 1.x, but remember that 1.x had a very different combat system where AoEs weren't as prevalent. For the MHW reference, the games are nothing alike so the comparison is moot. Sephirot and others were legitimately large monsters, Shinryu even more so, but you can't have our current combat system with wide AoEs and shove the camera that close...

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Yes Malzian, now we have too much AOEs, that's boring


another good examples:
https://i.imgur.com/DZJyA0s.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QR1RmHW.jpg


I can use the default zoom in the XIV low level dungeons, but lately, this become impossible, I've to zoom very far to dodge the AoEs, to dealt with the boring"jump rope" mechanics,
the high level boss fights in XIV are more like an old Diablo game...
https://i.imgur.com/Gx0zTxc.jpg

diablo3, looks not very modern:
https://i.imgur.com/EaX7BIa.jpg


The zoom in XIV boss fights should be like this, of course, the game mechanics need some changes too,
https://i.imgur.com/Kn87lhT.jpg

or like this (SAO)
https://i.imgur.com/VdHIYek.jpg

You need the zoom distance for the size of our arenas and the AoEs. You reference 1.x, but remember that 1.x had a very different combat system where AoEs weren't as prevalent. For the MHW reference, the games are nothing alike so the comparison is moot. Sephirot and others were legitimately large monsters, Shinryu even more so, but you can't have our current combat system with wide AoEs and shove the camera that close...

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

Now people mostly zoom as far as possible, because the boss mechanics (they need some changes too?)

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You can always choose not to zoom all the way out if you prefer that perspective?
While its certainly true that most boss-fights require you to have an overview of the battlefield to react to changes there, depending on your class (and the fight) you can spend a certain amount of time zoomed closer in. And be aware that those mechanics that require you to pay attention to the battlefield arent only AoEs since you complained about those.
Seriously, the game isnt zooming out for you, thats your choice. You could choose to play the game in first person after all...

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

that make us look so tiny, to “fix” this visual issue，some new bosses size are too large,
that looks weird, unnatural & less engaging

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You mean huge dragons look unnatural?

I find the camera in this game to be one of the best things it has to offer, you can set it to any distance that makes you happy!...

It's mostly tanks and melee DPS that need to zoom out the most otherwise it becomes almost impossible to see what's on screen!...

Title: The maximum zoom distance should be limited & need to reduce some bosses size

Garuda 1.0 was so much bigger than 2.0 it was so awesome and better because it was 1.0.

Also maybe you should experiment the bosses for yourself instead of watching some YouTube video.

My only complaint with the camera in XIV, is the fact the dumb boss has to be completely within the borders of my screen, to be able to target it... This issue is very annoying as a Lalafell.

1.0s lighting! <3

It's funny you use a MHW screenie as good....Cuz it irritates me to no end when the monster disappears from my screen with dual blades when i'm under neath it.... Or I "phase" through the monsters model. On the other hand I do find myself instinctively trying to zoom out ffxiv style in mhw because of it.....

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

My only complaint with the camera in XIV, is the fact the dumb boss has to be completely within the borders of my screen, to be able to target it... This issue is very annoying as a Lalafell.

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This is really my only issue.

I want to be able to zoom out farther... Especially with some of the newer bosses that even at max zoom out I'm unable to fit onto the screen. And some that have mechanics tht you can only see triggers for from outside the arena.

i dont see the issue in boss size at all, that tells me they're a boss not a normal mob, honestly no issue here with it at all. I wouldn't even think to treat it like a boss if it was the size of us most of the time. plus why are you even moving the camera to the sides? zoomed out you should be able to leave it in the center with no issues, i play maxed zoom and see almost everything unless they go off arena like levi, my screen is 1920 x 1080 though so dunno if this helps me out vs someone with a tiny screen but still, moving like say your camera to where the paintings are blocking it seems more hindrance then helping, just my opinion.

I'm also confused by the disparity between "stop allowing zooming out, it makes bosses look small and less imposing" and "make bosses smaller".

What I hear is "I don't like playing zoomed out, so nobody should be able to, and since I don't play zoomed out I can't see the whole boss so make it smaller."

We need to be able to zoom out more than we can.

Rather than watching videos OP, why not try out the boss fights yourself (and with the camera zoomed in. You have that power as others have said)? There's Byakko Extreme (easy to learn) and the normal mode Sigmascape.

If all you do is complain about "this and that" without actually doing the content yourself, your arguments/complaints struggle to stand on what little ground you're offering them.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Rather than watching videos OP, why not try out the boss fights yourself (and with the camera zoomed in. You have that power as others have said)? There's Byakko Extreme (easy to learn) and the normal mode Sigmascape.

If all you do is complain about "this and that" without actually doing the content yourself, your arguments/complaints struggle to stand on what little ground you're offering them.

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OP is a troll he has done nothing else than complain about how bad this game is compare to FFXI or FFXIV 1.0
On his other thread he resumed black mage with blizzard 1 and fire 1 for ST, Blizzard 2 and Fire 2 for aoe and sleep for crowd control.
Just ignore him.

Comparing this game to MHW is irrelevant, that's a single player action combat system with totally different dodging and combat mechanics. You don't need to zoom out a mile there because of how the combat works.

Here, zooming out is useful. I'm a healer. I don't need to see a 50,000 foot tall boss. WoW had that with bosses like Supremus that you could only see their leg if you were melee because they were so huge, and it was just dumb. What I do need to see is what other people are doing, where the safe zones are, and which person is most likely to stand in bad so I can get ready to heal them. Zooming me in just makes it more annoying to do my job for no benefit.

I'll pass, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

OP is a troll he has done nothing else than complain about how bad this game is compare to FFXI or FFXIV 1.0
On his other thread he resumed black mage with blizzard 1 and fire 1 for ST, Blizzard 2 and Fire 2 for aoe and sleep for crowd control.
Just ignore him.

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Oh I know. I commented on that as well. I also know that, thanks to an image they posted showing what could be their main, that they have not touched/cleared Extreme Primals (midcore content) since Ravana Extreme :P

No thank you, I like being able to zoom out to get a good overview of the battlefield.
"Immersion" is good and all, though incredibly subjective, yet when trying to force "immersion" at the expense of being able to function properly, I'll take not ham-stringing myself over "the feelz" in most cases.
Also not being able to tell wth is going on because you are all zoomed in with a giant monster towering over you and innumerable giant explosions and spell effects are going off all around you feels more frustrating than immersive imo.
On the other hand, small bosses and greatly toned down special effects while being zoomed in may potentially be more "immersive" but it also seems like it would be way less impressive and fairly underwhelming.
That kind of thing works for some games but I don't think this is one of them and best to not try to force it to be something it is not.

If you want the camera zoomed in, zoom it in. Some people like myself prefer to have it zoomed out during an encounter. No one is making you zoom your camera out if you don't want to. Having it zoomed out, however, makes it easier for me to see things I should be avoiding. I'm sure someone somewhere finds it easier to avoid things with the camera zoomed in. It's a preference thing, nothing more.

as a tank I can't zoom out enough on some bosses. All I can see is a rave of coloured lights and flashes and maybe half of the boss.

Let players zoom in and out as much as they wish. Some would rather see the mechanics than be "immersed".

No. If anything the max zoom distance needs to be farther than it is.

Please remember what kind of game this is (DDR)

If you wanna stay zoomed in / 1st person all the time because immersion, whatever. Just don't be surprised when you start getting booted from content because you can't do mechs.

I've kind of accepted that we're always going to be looking at a boss's feet/lower body. It's a 'problem' in most of the MMO industry but for some reason devs keep doing it...

I have to agree, we need to be able to pull out far enough to at least see the head of some of these bosses. It makes them a pain in the backside to select before anything else is considered. I also have no idea why they use this restrictive view as some kind of "mechanic", where you're supposed to be twirling the camera about so fast trying to see where "X" is coming from it makes your head spin. (levi is the dumbest example, but its not the only one). Then there's other stupid ideas where things behind you you have no hope of seeing due to the restriction are going off. And while I'm complaining, the other thing that ticks me off is the large text boxes going on over a boss that completely blocks your view from what he's doing (like the look away eyeball or other anims that precurse certain moves).

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

My only complaint with the camera in XIV, is the fact the dumb boss has to be completely within the borders of my screen, to be able to target it... This issue is very annoying as a Lalafell.

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Yeah, even on taller races sometimes you have to pivot the camera up to target them, despite their entire lower half being right in front of you.

I'd rather be able to zoom out and get some idea of what's going on, rather than having an explosion of visual effects in my face.