I'm leveling all three healer roles from 60-70, and I have made an interesting observation. I pretty much have the same skill level on all three roles, but for some reason I end up getting the most commendations on AST, then WHM and SCH. The result of the run in terms of dps or healing output on parse is fairly equal. Yet I mostly get 1-2 comms on AST, maybe 1 comm on WHM and almost never get jack squat on SCH.
I know that this is ultimately inconsequential but I just think its interesting that non-healers tend to favor the AST when deciding to give commendation to a healer.
AST gets the most love?
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02-25-2018, 04:04 PMSciwolfAST gets the most love?
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02-25-2018, 05:06 PMKDSilver
People don't particulary give commends because you're AST or not.
If they think you did a great job as a healer and want to commend you, they will.
If the party you ran with doesn't care about giving commendation they won't.
Look, for example, everyone on forums are crying that Samurai is being hated by the community, yet, when I leveled it up, I got a lot of commend.
Sometimes as a healer, I can get a lot of commendations, and sometimes not that much.
That's a random factor we can't rely on.
The only thing I can see is DPS giving you commend because you properly buff them, and DPS like buffs. But that's pretty much all. -
02-25-2018, 05:44 PMWaemliht
Playing well on a scholar in most content won't earn you many comms.
Using all your resources you can get through most things without ever using a gcd heal. The result is people end up getting low and staying that way until Regens or faerie heals get through. Anytime anyone looks at you you're probably casting briol. During mob pulls you're probably looking like you're going to run out of mana any minute spamming aoes. If they don't know what you're doing you're going to look like you're not taking your job as a healer seriously.
Idk about an ast but everyone else enjoys cards padding out their dps. -
02-25-2018, 08:44 PMVyriah
It's the cards.
When they get that balance they feel like they're the only warrior of light and that's why you get the comms. -
02-26-2018, 01:39 AMElamys
AST directly buffs other players in a very visible way, and everyone enjoys feeling like they're loved enough to get a buff. While scholar has Chain Stratagem, it's just not as visible. Meanwhile WHM's Stone IV sound is the loudest thing in the damn game.
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02-26-2018, 07:16 AMRisvertasashiFrom my own experiences, I feel like this is probably the most common reason. People like to be topped. Even if no one dies, letting people stay low doesn't seem to get comms as much as quickly getting them back to full or near enough. And... there was that 'study' someone did tracking a few hundred instances back at the start of HW that found similar. But, people here didn't like it because it wasn't a perfectly controlled experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waemliht
That said, the climate does shift a bit in a raid setting. I've heard people on pug voice comms comment things like "Both healers are 2k+? That's great." -- as long as no one's dying to lack of healing unavoidable damage, anyways. -
02-26-2018, 10:52 AMNobleWinter
Sch really does spend a lot of time looking ridiculous when played well. I bounce from full MP to practically nothing fairly often and Im always a bit shocked when DPS try to help me manage my MP. Aetherflow, Lucid Dreaming, and Energy Drain work miracles and if you know the mechanics of fight you feel no stress leaving people at half health once in awhile. People tend to figure out they are in good hands halfway through a run but you can feel the trepidation at first. I get plenty of coms though so I don't know if people really have an aversion to being healed by a Scholar.
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02-26-2018, 01:10 PMRisvertasashiI don't complain about getting MP support, personally. If nothing else, it frees up some resources for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NobleWinter
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02-26-2018, 05:07 PMKDSilver
Smn, Blm and Rdm aren't suffering from using Manashift one or twice.
There's not need to take Manashift as an insult.Besides, that could mean some extra Miasma II so why not.
That's just using their utility.
I personnaly regret that I don't see more caster using actually. -
02-26-2018, 05:22 PMNobleWinter
To clarify: I'm shocked in a GOOD way when DPS throw me some MP. I don't mind the extra mileage at all. Probably could have used some better word choice.
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02-26-2018, 09:46 PMRubixCube
I play SCH and on some days, I’ve walked out of trials with five comms, whilst on others I got no recognition at all. This is within the last few months, mind, and with ASTs as my cohealers. It really is dependent on the party and their view on comms; it often doesn’t reflect actual performance either. I’ve literally saved the day and received no comms, whilst in other games I’ve done badly and got multiple. I wouldn’t hold too much weight to it. Play well, have fun, all that jazz.
On an aside, I like getting the mana boost too. Even if I don’t need it, I appreciate them looking out for me. It’ll normally earn them a comm. -
02-26-2018, 11:16 PMmiraidensetsuBut not as flashy as Holy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elamys
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02-26-2018, 11:57 PMSmokeyTheSequel
I toss an enhanced anything and not just aoe balance the entire instance I almost always get at least 2 coms. I think its like everyone else has mentioned, its a visible buff that people can see and it makes you stand out and people will remember at the end. I get more coms on AST than any other job in the game. More than a tank.
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02-27-2018, 02:07 AMloreleidiangelo
I wouldn't say I get more or less comms as WHM compared to AST (maybe slightly more on AST, since people seem to think for some reason that it's hard to play), but I do get less on my SCH, which makes me sad because I know I play SCH well, I know that playing SCH well actually requires a decent amount of mental overhead, and I personally love getting a well-played one in 8-man content as my cohealer.
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02-27-2018, 02:48 AMAylmerOfFamfrit
I just think the comms are letting you know that you play Ast better then the other two. I get comes on all the healing roles with Sch being my highest our of the 3.
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02-27-2018, 06:59 AMNerfworthy
Idk, I get way more on my SCH than AST but tbh I'm terrible at AST so... there's that.
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02-27-2018, 09:24 AMElamyswhoooOOOOOOOMMMBRIIINNNGGGQuote:
Originally Posted by miraidensetsu
BAAADUNK BAAADUNK BAAADUNK
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02-28-2018, 04:10 AMRelhon
I think it depends more on how you play the job than the job itself. If you just throw up med 2 or succor and just focus on the tank you may only get a comm from the tank. If you involve the rest of the party you'll probably get more comms. This is just easier with with ast because of the tools it has, especially the buffs. I rarely get comms as sch, but I get a lot with whm. Whenever I time holy just right and stun multiple aoe's so the group can stay together I seem to get major props.
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02-28-2018, 09:19 AMloreleidiangeloI think this is kinda the point of the thread, though. Tbh, a good SCH will basically have minimal interactions with the group, because Eos and Aetherflow abilities are so strong (and regen healers generally tend to brute-force the heals after AOE damage, which is fine but makes it look like the SCH isn't "doing anything"). In my opinion, the less actual heals you're casting a SCH, so long as your group isn't struggling, the better you're playing. Lustrate, Indom, Fey Union, Excog, Whispering Dawn...these are all tools that basically ensure that in all but the most clown fiesta-y of the average DFable 8-man content, you won't need to cast a single healing ability. As a result though, people tend to think you're making the other healer "carry" you, and sometimes that can translate to less commendations if people don't get the nuances of a well-played SCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Relhon
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02-28-2018, 10:49 AMKacho_Nacho/chuckleQuote:
Originally Posted by Elamys
It's funny because it's true! :D
On topic, I haven't noticed any more comms on astrologian than on white mage. The only thing I've noticed is my female lalafell characters get more commendations than my male lalafell characters.
My FC members have noticed the same trend. We have taken to calling them cute points rather than commendations.
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02-28-2018, 12:17 PMHyoMinPark
I personally don't think AST is that favored over the other healers. Whenever I run 24-mans with a friend (me on AST usually, and them on WHM), they always get more commendations than I do, even though I did the majority of the healing and provided cards. lol Same thing on SCH/WHM. Maybe people just think that WHM does more healing? I'm not sure, but I don't see any obvious favoritism by players when it comes to the three healers.
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03-03-2018, 10:38 PMAmetrineI like to manashift my healers if things go sideways. I've noticed this results in many comms despite my mediocre DPS skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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03-04-2018, 03:07 PMCapn_Goggles
The real answer is that when it comes to commendations it can be a total crapshoot. I've gone balls-to-the-wall in dungeons as a tank only for everyone to ignore me and give the comes to healbot#8192, I've healed tanks who pull big but don't use mitigation and gotten zero comms, I've gotten three commendations as a black mage who purposefully stood in AoE's and made the healer's life harder, and so on. Some people will commend you because you were nice, or they liked your glamour, or because they know what you were doing and appreciate it, or because you're a healer/tank and just get it by default.
Don't try to understand it because it's not a system to be understood. -
03-04-2018, 04:11 PMHyoMinParkI’ll comm any caster who Mana Shifts me, even if I don’t need it. Because they’re such a rare find in DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ametrine
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03-05-2018, 10:40 AMAmetrineWhich fascinstes me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
I mean, the minor support I can give on SMN/RDM from having the rez and heal is part of why they are the only DPS I enjoy playing, so Manashift felt like a perfectly natural addition to my repertoire.
It sure get's a hell of a lot more use than Break! -
03-05-2018, 11:07 AMKacho_Nacho
I still say cute characters get more commendations. Play a female lalafell, emote some laughs and cheers, and you'll get commendations everytime.
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03-05-2018, 02:22 PMGeminaThere is definitely truth in this^^ I've given Lalafell tanks comms just for being a Lalafell tank, IF they are in heavy armor. Can't help it. It's just so cute that the group's first line of defense is an adorable potato strutting their stuff clad in doom spikes! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho
Anywho, I don't play AST but have given them plenty of comms. It was never for being an AST though, it was for being a good healer.
Speaking as a SCH main, I can definitely say that no one notices if you are playing optimally. Seriously... a well-timed deployed adlo Crit just negated a MASSIVE AoE attack from the raid boss and peeps will tell one of the DPS members that they have the coolest looking LB3 :| We truly are the nerds of FFXIV. We don't have flashy/loud DPS skills, you'll likely miss a buff animation by the skill of another job. However, maybe. Just maybe. You might notice the gorgeous emerald aura we emit and the crystal shattering sound effect of Indom. I love you Indom!
That said, I've gotten plenty of comms when running as SCH. I doubt any of them were for being a SCH. However, I bet I've gotten a fair share by making her look like Velma from Scooby Doo. -
03-05-2018, 03:26 PMKacho_NachoHee hee! I like it! Care to post a picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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03-05-2018, 05:16 PMGeminaCan do! Not the best, but what I had available from recent screenshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho
https://i.imgur.com/O9ieZ5X.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I2wAdgs.jpg
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03-06-2018, 02:44 AMNerfworthyHello fellow SCH main! Everything you said is why I love SCH, lol. Definitely nerds. It's an exceedingly intricate job and we aren't always recognized for the hard work we put out. I've pulled off some crazy moves with SCH that I definitely could not have done with the other 2 jobs, and rarely does anybody notice. T_TQuote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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03-06-2018, 03:03 AMSquintina
I will admit a lot of people don't fully realize the intricacies of SCH and what we can do (especially if people aren't parsing), but in "harder" content a well timed indom or lustrate can earn some really good comms (yes yes I know to super amazing people everything is too easy, but for the general DF populace things like Rabanastre, Omega/Sigma normals, and level 70 dungeons still get a lot of errors/wipes for healers to save).
Based on my experience as a SCH, shields tend to go unnoticed, but OGCD healing gets more attention.