Proboy abuse in dungeons.

Our fairly new FC has gained quite a lot of active members and I started the idea that we could start pony farms etc. It became apparent that very few members were either a tank or healing class. Many members said they would love to take up the role but we’re afraid of the abuse they might get from proboys when doing dungeons.
This saddens me greatly, Ive personally had abuse from proboys and also crownboys which I thought were supposed to be mentors.

Not all of us are 15 year olds with lightnig fast reactions some like me are getting nearer 50 and have a life to run. Some of us are new and don’t know any better. Even those who have been playing for years might roulette a dungeon they haven’t seen for months.

So to all you proboys and crownboys please go easy on those who aren’t quite getting it. Be helpful and not abusive. People really are being put off by this.

If you really care about them, then as an FC leader jump in the dungeons with your members and train them in the healer/tank role. It's far more productive to do this, than whine about potential situations on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

If you really care about them, then as an FC leader jump in the dungeons with your members and train them in the healer/tank role. It's far more productive to do this than whine about potential situations on the forum.

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I agree on this. the forums are not going to help him / her at all

If they have squadron members that they have been leveling at all it's pretty easy to get to 50 using just that. But if they want to learn as they go, then really, forming premade groups to level seems like the best bet. And unless everyone has all of their dps classes leveled up people can probably use the opportunity to dungeon spam a bit for those classes as well.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

If you really care about them, then as an FC leader jump in the dungeons with your members and train them in the healer/tank role. It's far more productive to do this, than whine about potential situations on the forum.

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I’m not the FC leader. I will help anyone inside or outside the FC whenever I can and do so pretty much all the time now.
My post was intended as a plea to stop abusing those less able that you rather than a whine.

Usually, if a person speaks up and says that they are new to tanking or healing, or that it is their first time tanking or healing a particular piece of content, people will generally be more patient with them, but not always. Some people will continue to be rude (mentor and non-mentor alike), and there isn’t much that you can do other than remove them from the party if they are that disruptive, or report them when you get out if they said something truly malicious.

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Originally Posted by Johnyt

I’m not the FC leader. I will help anyone inside or outside the FC whenever I can and do so pretty much all the time now.
My post was intended as a plea to stop abusing those less able that you rather than a whine.

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Well unfortunately things won't always go smoothly and as a tank or healer u need to have a thicker skin. You will get advice thrown at you sometimes in a nice way and others not so nice. You need to learn to either listen to that advice or ignore it. Because at the end of the day the person offering that advice is human also and might have ran into x amount of bad players prior and just had enough.

Also just like to point out, you will find that a very large percentage of the population are 20+ years old. That includes myself the whole lightning reflexes comment is daft lol

Hmm... when you're nearing 50 I kinda expect you to have more maturity and be able to brush off childish comments from jerks. You know there'll always be jerks who will take their life's baggage out on anyone at any given opportunity. And then there are chill ones who just nudge you or are actually helpful. Never hurts to reach out to more experienced players for tips or demos. And there's YouTube for rotations and dungeon guides. Are there cross server LS already? I'd run with you guys from my server if possible.

Talk to me in another 20 years lol you might understand. My eyesight amongst other things are not what they were half my life ago. There are people of course who are quite young but sadly suffer some form of ailment making them less able also.

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Originally Posted by Johnyt

Talk to me in another 20 years lol you might understand. My eyesight amongst other things are not what they were half my life ago. There are people of course who are quite young but sadly suffer some form of ailment making them less able also.

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Don't mean to be awful but just like in real life if you get to the point where you get too old to do something you retire. I'm nearly 40 myself and if I got to the point where I was slowing others down or affecting their enjoyment of the game then I would stop playing.

As for other disabilities there's a guy that plays this game with his damn feet :P

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm nearly 40 myself and if I got to the point where I was slowing others down or affecting their enjoyment of the game then I would stop playing.

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Your sort of underlining my point a bit there. Those who are giving the abuse are also affecting the enjoyment of the game for others.

Some of you have missed what I'm trying to talk about. Forget about my age and so on, this post was never really about me personally. I was highlighting that a fairly large number of our FC said in one way or another they feared the abuse they might get as they had seen it happen to others. I cant believe that this is the only group of people in the game that must be feeling this way. And its a shame because its impeding people where they could otherwise flourish.

If I'm asking too much for people to be nice to each other then I'll stop asking. Just trying to do the best I can for the those who are unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Johnyt

If I'm asking too much for people to be nice to each other then I'll stop asking. Just trying to do the best I can for the those who are unhappy.

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Honestly, I can't think of an online community nicer than FFXIV's. Every other game I play, which is a lot -- people are far harsher, more hostile. It's even come up in interviews about FFXIV's playerbase being a bit older (and thus implied, more mature on average).

That said, there's going to be mean people here and there. Yeah I hate it when people say "grow thick skin" because it implies it's OK when it's not. Nonetheless, just like real life... It *is* something you just have to deal with from time to time. FFXIV's community is already about as good as it gets. Or play a game that has no public chat, I suppose, those do exist too.

"Hello, first time here" "Hello, new tank/healer here" super easy to say before the dungeon starts that stops virtually everyone from being nasty to u. Obviously don't get upset when u wipe because ur not mitagating damage or ur sitting there casting cure 1 on the black mage while the tank dies and people give u less than friendly advice on what you did wrong and how to fix it. Alternatively if you'd like to live in ur fc bubble and u feel there are too many hatful players out there (there isn't) then run leveling content with FC only members.

There is always the chance that you can get a 'bad apple' or two when running dungeons. It's a part of the culture and like real life, there are jerks everywhere. Unfortunately, you are missing out on a great game with more GOOD people than bad if you just run with FC. My advice: if they want to play a class but are hesitant on criticism, just put a polite message at the start of the run stating you are new to your class, patience and advice is appreciated. If you get people who get angry or abusive of this, copy the screen chat and send to GM (report harassment), blacklist that player and just queue again. That's the beauty part - there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many players out there and a large part of them are GOOD people. You are more often than not to get them then a jerk or douche.
Remember, it's a game and have fun! This game allows you many different ways to do so.

Fear of the bad apple behaviour is just a symptom of a personal lack of confidence. Tell your players, mistakes happen. Groups wipe. It is not a big deal. Players will try and blame you and that is why you have a kick player option.

As another older player (mid 40s) let me tell you a story from 2.x days. I was tanking Snowcloak, for probably second or third time. I was an experienced but not expert level proficiency tank in those days (meaning I did not raid on tank).
During the large trash mob pull before the second boss the Healer could not keep me alive, I burned multiple cooldowns and the wipe still happened. The healer blamed me for pulling too much before his MP was ready, as a Scholar he should not have had any MP issues period. If that is where it ended, that would have been fine. He and his DPS friend continued to berate me for a little while. Then they kicked me.
I immediately requeued back into the same instance, and said only one thing "Done bitching yet? If not, find another tank."
The rest of the run was pretty smooth. Moral of the story, stand up for yourself and things will usually turn out just fine. The bad apples are just the online version of the school yard bully.