I really don't understand

You can not win a game without a healer, so why make no requirements to have at least one healer? There are times where if I get into a party with no healer, I don't bother fighting cause I know I'm going to lose without a healer. Unless it is a 1v1 situation.

Btw, bring back 3.0 pvp, this new system is dumb.

You can absolutely win a game without a healer.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You can absolutely win a game without a healer.

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against bots am i rite???? ;):rolleyes:;):rolleyes:;):rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You can absolutely win a game without a healer.

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You absolutely can!

Is it going to happen often? No.

It takes A LOT of teamwork, your team being good, your enemy being plain stupid, and a bit of luck to win without a healer.

You can argue all you want with "HOHOHO i've won without a healer!" because...yeah, so has everyone. But it's an uphill battle.

It was MUCH easier to win without a healer during 3.x when a GOOD DPS could simply kill an enemy healer making it an even playing field.

Yeah, it's not impossible...but it's highly unlikely and requires the sort of efficiency and teamwork that is exceptionally rare for a random group to pull off. In turn, if people stumble across such an unbalanced situation often then they eventually get tired of it and stop bothering altogether. Which means longer queue times and less players overall.

Wasn't that easy to kill one in 3.0, because a good dps would have to get through the enemy team's dps and their CC, and after awhile, the people who stayed healers would be ready for them and pop attunement to negate the damage completely.

As for not many healers, well that's pvp. Happens in all games. Not many people like healing, and in this game you have to dislike pvp dps or tanking a bit to consider healing.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You can absolutely win a game without a healer.

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You often don't get a choice either.

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Originally Posted by Mofafafa

against bots am i rite???? ;):rolleyes:;):rolleyes:;):rolleyes:

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Their are various ways to win even against players, specially those who think they know their job and lack experience -.-. You can also experiment with command missions you would be surprised if they are maxed out and aggressive you can do some runs without a healer. OLD hunts can take out A and B ranks without a healer as well even solo if your at a decent level no need for a healer. Some old Dungeons you can solo without a healer role as well unsync. So their are many ways.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Their are various ways to win even against players, specially those who think they know their job and lack experience -.-. You can also experiment with command missions you would be surprised if they are maxed out and aggressive you can do some runs without a healer. OLD hunts can take out A and B ranks without a healer as well even solo if your at a decent level no need for a healer. Some old Dungeons you can solo without a healer role as well unsync. So their are many ways.

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You can queue command mission without a full party comp now?? like the 1 tank, 2dps, 1 healer
I never do those anymore after i got my emotes.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You can absolutely win a game without a healer.

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You can absolutely lose game without healer, like 9 out of 10 times.
And you could definitely lose a game without healer if the opposing team has 2 healers in the group, like 99 out of 100 times.

I find it funny people see healers well balanced when it takes 4+ players to kill one healer, thats fine but what about the rest of that healers team, is he playing alone? No.

I'm not saying its impossible, but it is very unlikely. Actually won a Seal rock today without a healer. It just feels like its kinda required or GG, but I guess that is just me.

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Originally Posted by Neon231

It just feels like its kinda required or GG, but I guess that is just me.

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That largely depends on whether the enemy has healers, whether you need to actually engage the enemy in PvP, whether the healers are bots/potatoes etc. Obviously, you don't need a healer if they have none either and if they're bad/bots, it's as if they had none.

Fact is that a healer has a completely disproportionate impact on any given PvP fight compared to any other job or role. That's because their throughput is a multitude of that of any other player (bar other healers). That in turn means you will innately be at a considerable disadvantage without a healer ceteris paribus.
In other words, unless you significantly outskill your enemy, it is, in fact, GG, because they have a large numerical advantage over you.

That's why Feast enforces a fixed role comp. They don't care to enforce it for casual PvP content like frontlines in order to speed up queues, but they are full well aware that there are game-breaking imbalances that need to be equalized among the teams, hence the forced role comp in the "serious" mode. And those imbalances exist for one simple reason: Popularity. Literally from a Yoshida interview:"nobody will want to play as a healer, if they aren’t that strong."

Yes, that's his retort on the power of healers. That's what he's concerned about. Balance isn't even an afterthought. Love it, hate it, it's what it is. The bots don't mind at least.

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Originally Posted by Neon231

You can not win a game without a healer, so why make no requirements to have at least one healer? There are times where if I get into a party with no healer, I don't bother fighting cause I know I'm going to lose without a healer. Unless it is a 1v1 situation.

Btw, bring back 3.0 pvp, this new system is dumb.

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Why not learn and play healer? Since healers have a high influence in any PvP mode, you'll benefit greatly from playing the role.