Eureka might be what us old FFXI guys want - don't mess it up

You get a penalty for death and it sounds like Dynamis. If it is at all like FFXI in that respect, please let those of us who want a bit of that style of FF again have it without complaining so much about it they dumb it down or never do it again.

As people keep saying "there's a ton of content for a variety of players" - so let us have this.

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However if it turns out to be Diadem again...have at it.

I'm with you, find your endgame. I don't do savage but I dont come and complain about it. Keep the different content coming.

If that style doesn't appeal to players, they won't do it. SE will see this and will adjust it to make it more appealing. Don't blame the players for not participating in content they don't enjoy. I'm from EQ. Deleveling wasn't really fun then, but we did it because it was all we knew. EQ started a lot of trends in games of that time that I'm quite happy not to see a repeat of.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If that style doesn't appeal to players, they won't do it. SE will see this and will adjust it to make it more appealing. Don't blame the players for not participating in content they don't enjoy. I'm from EQ. Deleveling wasn't really fun then, but we did it because it was all we knew. EQ started a lot of trends in games of that time that I'm quite happy not to see a repeat of.

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That's not what he's saying. If that happens, it happens. What he's asking is for people not to come in and cry out for nerfs like they pretty much do with all new content and not to ask for changes that turn it into completely different content altogether, like what happened with Diadem 2.

I think what you meant was "if enough players are vocal enough they'll change it" - and enough can be quite a small amount not at all representative of the player base but a damn bit louder than those who are happy.

As someone else said: de-levelling at least makes players have a modicum of care and attention, this game could do with something that pushes people a bit harder - in that tiny little bit of extra content aside from the rest of the game.

"Don't blame the players for not participating in content they don't enjoy." - I'm not, I actually go find something else and leave this for us. The whole point of this thread was "just don't do it and don't go demanding change, let some of us have this as to date we have not."

Pretty sure they said relics were going to be tied into this, so I would expect people who don't enjoy this type of system to be upset and call for changes. This isn't a matter of "leave this for us" when it affects that large a portion of the playerbase.

And what about Savage? A large portion of the player base don't like that and that's how you get the best gear: they don't just remove Savage do they?
A large portion of the player base don't like dungeons and choose to craft, they don't just remove dungeons or give out exp just for logging in, do they?

Just like savage gear, no one needs a relic. If you don't raid then crafted items or dungeon drops are most than suitable. If you raid then you get raid weapons. If you don't want to raid but would like a nice weapon, you have Eureka.

Your argument is flawed because it can be used for any section of the game others don't like. Your argument is also flawed as it presents entitlement to which I say: well why can't we all craft the hardest stuff in the gear easily? Why must I spend millions or level all crafts to have a chance at HQ? We all deserve something to enjoy.

It affects exactly as many people as want to be affected. Just like changing Savage, just like changing crafting, just like changing 24 man raids. The difference is, to date, there is 0 content for the FFXI lovers in this game. So let us have something!

Remember when relics used to take effort? I remember. Hopefully they don't let the complainers ruin the content.

It sounded more like Abyssea to me than Dynamis, which is a huge red flag not to get my hopes up.

Relics were intended to be the casual path to gaining a decent weapon. It also encouraged people to go back and experience older content and breathed new life into those areas for a time. This does neither of those things.

This is true: this version of the relic does not encourage people to go back to old content so it has to be treat as new content with a different purpose.

And in all fairness: this is still going to be casual. You can pop in and out at will, LFG in the area, your main job/class has no penalties. This is totally isolated content. If this were truly FFXI you'd go in as your main job and lose EXP on that.

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Originally Posted by Wade

This is true: this version of the relic does not encourage people to go back to old content so it has to be treat as new content with a different purpose.

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But doesn't that then mean that the relic content (or the old style, rather) has been "changed" or discontinued in favor of other content for other people? Isn't that precisely what you are trying to prevent from happening with Eureka?

I mean, I can get not wanting a piece of content that appeals to you changed. But that is precisely the reason why the relic being put into Eureka might cause a lot of complaints and desire for changes if Eureka doesn't suit the previous relic hunter crowd. There's a connection between the arguments of you two and this is it <.<'

So I shouldn't complain because you like what it seems to be like right now? If it fails to live up to the hype or fails to be adequate for a lull in content that we had in 4.15, you can bet those shades of yours that I will be complaining. Way it lines up too, it looks like a Diadem 3.0.

I don't think anyone's trying to take it away from you. I'm pretty sure we'd all like for Eureka to be a colossal success rather than a total flop. But either SE is just awful at selling the idea to most of us or it truly is as bad as most suspect. Either way the longevity is largely out of your hands. If it's fun and engaging with worthwhile rewards, it'll thrive. Otherwise I'd prepare for another Diadem-style ghost town.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

It sounded more like Abyssea to me than Dynamis, which is a huge red flag not to get my hopes up.

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Okay, I wasn't the only one who thought this.

i am not seeing how this isn't diadem, no monster no matter how strong is nothing with 128 people bashing it's face in.

as long as its popular it will be a zerg (since the monsters are treated as fates as far as contribution goes)

the only truely cool thing is since it's an instance this should mean we can hop in and out as we please like a normal map but play with people from other servers like we are on the same one.

but diadems flaw was rewards/inconvenient access with this it fixes both.

I just want them to release it already. This is a feature that we have known since Stormblood was first announced. Yet here we are, having it seen pushed back 3 times now.

I'm hoping the delays prove to have been worthwhile, I'd much like to try and enjoy getting a relic for once.

I can already see people coming on forums whining because of the death penalty.

I truly hope they won't change anything about what they designed except if this new feature is obviously as bad as Diadem.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Relics were intended to be the casual path to gaining a decent weapon. It also encouraged people to go back and experience older content and breathed new life into those areas for a time. This does neither of those things.

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This is the first step out of god knows how many. Might want to not jump to conclusions when it hasn't even released.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

This is the first step out of god knows how many. Might want to not jump to conclusions when it hasn't even released.

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That's the biggest issue and why it needed to be released with 4.0. There is usually a long downtime around patch X.1 that people are bored with and look for almost anything to do.

This is not going to be like Dynamis, or really any instanced XI content.

-There won't be 24 to 72 hour lockouts for entrance.
-You're not going to spend 4+ hours trying to clear a run.
-It won't take you years to fully reap the rewards gained within it.
-You won't have to heavily discuss and workout a strategy before going in.

This is likely going to be something that will be initially exciting because "Hey, new zone!". But once it's figured out, which won't take long, there will be the preferred way of tackling it that you're going to be forced to get down with or you won't progress very far. But hey, maybe me keeping my expectations low will result in a pleasant surprise.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

That's the biggest issue and why it needed to be released with 4.0. There is usually a long downtime around patch X.1 that people are bored with and look for almost anything to do.

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And the content is coming in like a week or two, so why are you complaining?

Once this game becomes a carbon copy of FFXI, I am GOING back to FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

This is not going to be like Dynamis, or really any instanced XI content.

-There won't be 24 to 72 hour lockouts for entrance.
-You're not going to spend 4+ hours trying to clear a run.
-It won't take you years to fully reap the rewards gained within it.
-You won't have to heavily discuss and workout a strategy before going in.

This is likely going to be something that will be initially exciting because "Hey, new zone!". But once it's figured out, which won't take long, there will be the preferred way of tackling it that you're going to be forced to get down with or you won't progress very far. But hey, maybe me keeping my expectations low will result in a pleasant surprise.

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Don't forget not having to worry about loot hoarders who save all their points to lot on gear for jobs they never bring to dynamis, thus screwing over all the ones who go as said job. That's exactly how I never got my RDM hat/SCH hat in those prime days. Although no big deal now, as they are easy to obtain in the current era.