I just encounter probably the most "snobby" healer in this game, pls dont be like him

usually when your duty start, people just randomly say "hello" or "hi" sort of greeting like in real life right? well, not this guy.

the moment duty start, the guy give a list.... yes a list for tank and dps what we need to do or else he will kick (if he lead) or leave (after 15 minutes).

the list goes from basic such as avoid aoe, use mitigation skill, to downright absurd like pull one mob only, wait if healer mp below 60%, make sure all enemy dead before move on, etc.

iam not joking, when the tank pull guy keep repeating (spam) "avoid aoe, use mitigation skill" on chat bar. later tank got impatient and start pulling 2 mobs (6 enemy total) and he literally stop healing and start complaining "can you even tank?" "i said one mob only" "no no iam not going to heal, your fault"

suffice to say, he got kick immediately the moment 15 minutes kick in.

believe me or not, this guy real, i just encounter him roughly 30 minutes ago after i post this, iam still in total disbelieve. how can this person goes through to level 70? is this guy trolling? try to make a videogame youtube drama? hacked account? we end up talking about this healer after we finish our duty lol

iam not going to post his name obviously but all i can say is he's from ramuh server, lalafell and whm.

iam not saying healer is bad because iam sure this kind of person is like 1 among 1000, but i still cant put it in my head with this kind of behavior

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usually when your duty start, people just randomly say "hello" or "hi" sort of greeting like in real life right? well, not this guy.

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I don't speak at all, funnily enough. One example of it all being relative/individual.

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the moment duty start, the guy give a list

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There are a few people like this - they've probably had plenty of awful experiences, enough that their 'reaction' is the macro in a shopping list. Unfortunately for them, no matter what the reason, it simply comes across as both annoying and snooty.

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believe me or not, this guy real

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You say that like it's some kind of surprise. You will learn that in every community, both real and digital, there are people like this.

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iam not saying healer is bad because iam sure this kind of person is like 1 among 1000

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If they have to resort to lecturing with macros then they are the epitome of bad Healing. Healing is both a proactive and reactive role where even if people abide by such macros, things will go wrong, so to expect everything to go by a preset rule-book of their own making (and the fact they want 1 by 1 pulls only, in a game where there is no reason to do this other than gear/ilevel limitations), then they are a terrible Healer (and seemingly a terrible person if they want to waltz into groups and start dictating).

Now, imagine them walking into a PF Savage group and spewing that macro - they'd be shown the door very, very quickly.

Nothing to see here - move along. Here's one I met 9 months ago:

https://i.imgur.com/89FSn7M.jpg

^at least iam glad that, that kind of thing is pretty norm out there.

i'll be honest, i never met this kind of person, close to this kind of attitude? yes, but never i see one who make list and act like he is sort of king, so this is actually new for me.

Back during 2.0 and PLDs flash was on a 3.5s GCD, and generated less threat than a savage blade, it was frustrating as heck to have each DPS full focus on 2 different mobs when you dont have rage of halone yet. (This problem was pretty much unique to Halatali, as the started 3 dungeons DPS didnt have as much options to burst their DPS at the start.)

I had a macro explaining the (1) mark on enemies head, as no one ever attacked the (1).
My assumption is that people thought it was some warning to avoid, even with the (1).

Of course the reality is, people purposely ignored the (1), me not realizing this right away, made a macro to explain it, to which people were even more annoyed by.

But eventually I realized when people ignored the (1), that actually made tanking easier, because I already knew which mob people would fight, which was the non marked mobs.
So my mark macro put up a (1) and a (2) which I knew people would pick the last remaining mob instead, and I of course used reverse psychology on them to get them to attack the mob I wanted.
All I had to do was always attack mobs in reverse order, and I would be hitting the mob every DPS would be focusing on.

Only encountered a DPS once who purposely switched off w/e I had hate on, to which I already noticed right away, and since they wanted it, I was fine with it. I dont care if people WANT to have the hate, just when people spend the whole run complaining they got hit just once back at the start of the dungeon, and wont stop going on about it.

Luckily as we got to HW, I stopped seeing people complain like this, and PLD got buffed to actually hold hate reasonably. (Mostly with a fix to Flash being a 2.5s GCD, and having more threat attached to it. And of course less Halatali runs, with all dungeons having the mobs nerfed, so even if you dont run them perfectly, no one cares. Of course this now means I can solo Halatali as most jobs at Lv20.)

Not all macroes start off being a "snobby" response, but when ppl take it as such, the macro will grow worse as people continue to be jerks back, only escalating it.

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Originally Posted by gumas

^at least iam glad that, that kind of thing is pretty norm out there.

i'll be honest, i never met this kind of person, close to this kind of attitude? yes, but never i see one who make list and act like he is sort of king, so this is actually new for me.

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Well you better get used to it. When you've spent any length of time playing X or Y game, you'll always meet that online hero who feels it's their duty to tell everyone else how to play, either due to their own self-righteousness or above-mentioned "I had a bad experience. I could have moved on like any normal person, but I think I'll just macro-rant. Maybe that might prevent people from being like the others". Either way, it's just sad and obnoxious when it comes to 'team content' where the best results are from everyone chipping in and doing their best.

Example, I've met tanks who psyche-up their own importance in chat, using their 'role' as a beating stick whenever something they don't like happens (or is said). Now, a Tank is the spearhead of the group who sets the pace, it's true, and as a Healer I'll happily speed-up or slow-down as their ilevel or confidence (or lack of) demands, but when I see a "Tank Overlord Supremos" - the "I'm the tank, the boss, the big man. You do as I command or thou shalt be punished" -- (of which there are plenty), then you can either fall in line or show them they have no real power. I don't have to Heal them, I can let them die and heal the DPS alone, especially in low-level content (which is, ironically, where this attitude is most prominent, despite tanks being more of a luxury there).

Don't get me started on the above "Healer" - As one of the most aggressive WHM's you'll meet in content, I cringe any time I see AFK Healing when I'm playing Tank/DPS, but to throw nonsense macros on-top of it, then spend 70% of the dungeon watching my over-geared tank being whittled to 30% by double-trash packs over 20 seconds, then throwing out one-cure and calling it a day... That is the type of poor play and laziness that makes me wish I could strangle people through the internet.

At the end of the day, we'll ALL encounter situations or players that just don't fit. What's important is how you react vs what you want to achieve from the content. I have no problem trying to teach a lesson, but I do also want to get things done. Sometimes I'll keep quiet and endure, other times I'll just leave. If I wanted to do something less productive than sit around enduring a flame-war or people holding up the group because their ego needs a good stroking, then I'd rather leave the dungeon entirely and pick my nose in search of gold nuggets.

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Not all macroes start off being a "snobby" response, but when ppl take it as such, the macro will grow worse as people continue to be jerks back, only escalating it.

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Nobody said anything about 'all macros'. You're comparing a very deliberate macro explaining a particular issue, to a macro that produces a demand-list for an entire dungeon/the game itself, devised by person who will probably stop playing when those individual rules aren't upheld. Your macro was one of convenience - and judging by your response, you trucked on even when it wasn't considered - yet the above two people aren't saying "Hi, I have a particular problem - I'd appreciate if you compromise". They are saying "I am a delicate flower. This is how it will be, for no reason other than because I say so".

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Originally Posted by RopeDrink

Nobody said anything about 'all macros'. You're comparing a very deliberate macro explaining a particular issue, to a macro that produces a demand-list for an entire dungeon/the game itself, devised by person who will probably stop playing when those individual rules aren't upheld. Your macro was one of convenience - and judging by your response, you trucked on even when it wasn't considered - yet the above two people aren't saying "Hi, I have a particular problem - I'd appreciate if you compromise". They are saying "I am a delicate flower. This is how it will be, for no reason other than because I say so".

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Im literally saying the macro you're talking about, most likely originated with a macro like my own. I'm explaining how seeing the end result doesnt show the evolution of that macro. They didn't start the game thinking that way, they had poor experiences, with people who would poorly argue against their perspectives, most likely with "git gud" and of course that only fueled them into thinking they were the right one all along, even though they werent.
(Trust me, my macro got more aggressive for a bit, until I realized I could use that aggression to manipulate people, which I guess was still aggressive, even though it's intent was to make people not listen to it.)

That macro is an old meme, Chloe. No need to response seriously to begin with.

These healers need to get over themselves! I would have laughed my way through this entire dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Bahati

These healers need to get over themselves! I would have laughed my way through this entire dungeon.

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So their macro brought you happiness, and they need to change?! (not being serious)

I would vote kick that healer. Per a GM conversation I've had: "If a player is not working well with the party and that person's kick is put to a vote. It's okay to votekick."

If the healer is causing you grief. Put it to a vote.

I'm pretty sure if I joined a duty and saw this I'd just leave.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

I would vote kick that healer.

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Or just make your own list of ridiculous demands? "No one shall wear blue body gear. DoTs shall only be cast after 15 seconds has passed since tank has used their first AoE move. Only tank is allowed to use Limit Break."

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Originally Posted by Taika

Or just make your own list of ridiculous demands? "No one shall wear blue body gear. DoTs shall only be cast after 15 seconds has passed since tank has used their first AoE move. Only tank is allowed to use Limit Break."

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I think this is the best reaction to have.

But, the GM is right, if a player is going out of their way to be overly demanding or uncooperative, vote kick is there.

I feel like posting something like that is instigating a response from your party, likely a negative one. Take the one about the healer not wanting to dps - if I'm tanking that's cool but then you better believe I'm gonna make sure you have healing to do. I'd also probably be pretty lazy about dodging AoE because if the healer is going to stand there doing nothing I guess at least one of us should prioritize uptime.

I dunno, doesn't seem like a good way to get your point across.

1 mob at a time? Da fuq who is that lazy? I like big pulls though when i'm a healer. Keeps it fast and interesting. I just want to get in and get out the majority of the time. 1 mob at a time would make the run last forever. Yikes. I'd pull the whole dungeon if I was tanking and I saw that then vote kick the healer asap.

I dont mind with logical list like use mitigation skill if tank pull a lot of mobs this is true, avoid aoe (obviously) etc.

What baffle me is the somewhat? Ridicilous rule like pull 1 mob only, wait for mana if it drop below 60% and only move on to the next one when enemy is dead (i dont see anything wrong if you have one enemy left and will die within 2-3 hits)

Even us dps (me and the other guy) was given rule too like use all our cooldown, do proper rotation, if you are range (iam) stay close with healer etc. at least the dps rule is pretty basic.

I can understand you are new healer or 1st time in this dungeon, but the healer yesterday clearly not a new one.

do you even need a healer if you're only pulling one pack at a time? :p

This guy must watching TV at the same time or doing something else.
Yeah, instant votekick.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

do you even need a healer if you're only pulling one pack at a time? :p

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Nope. I mean, if you want to be safe you replace that healer with a RDM and you can do anything single pull, but most stuff could be done just fine even without that. Easier still if the tank has Clemency.

The macro healer here really needs to get over themselves and remember that it's a team game.

Idk how playing that way is even remotely fun as a healer. If there's no risk of a wipe, it's not fun imo.

I want to feel like I make an impact. I want my tank to ask "How am I not dead?!". Then on the next pull for him to say "Let's see if you can handle this!" and pull even more!

OMG, I know the feel. I know this healer, a red-haired lalafell, with lavender eyes, playing as a SCH. They start every dungeon run with this macro about how they'll be the lala for the run and how cute they are. And if there is more than one lala, they have a follow up macro saying that they are cute too. And if the whole party is a lala, there is one saying the cuteness is over 9000...

and the worst part... people find this adorable, and give them all the commies... how can other players compete with that... Y.Y

But In all seriousness that healer sounded like a douche, a rare douche, but still a douche. I have to bite my tongue when I watch some healers. Cause I have to remember that how I think healing should be done and what is required don't always line up. Not to mention you never know who is on the other side of the screen. It could be someone with a major disability, who is trying there best, and we shouldn't shame them for not playing to our specifications. As long as someone is friendly, responsive, and actively trying, I'll stick with them as long as I can.

But still, a list, who does thst?

Also for those curious about that healer I mentioned above. This is gonna be a gamble on my part but I'm gonna post their name.... Mwahahahahahaha....

It's me, lol. And no joke, I get a lot of commies with that macro. 4k+ strong. Hope to hit 5k before 5.0. One can dream

If you just being cute and emote dancing but still doing proper healing i dont mind at all. I play at jp server where... you know how some jp player act? With all these dancing and emoji words, because of that iam the type of player who ok with taking thing slow.

But that douche healer definitely take “slowly” to a whole new meaning lol

tanks can be complete jerks, im with the healer!!

I mean, I've once seen a healer with such a macro but it was more on line of (I'm new to healing, plz dont do huge pull as I am too experienced. Don't expect me to dps too much Im still new to the job etc etc)
Which was actually a proper warning, like "don't play dumb I'm not a good healer"

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Originally Posted by Taika

Or just make your own list of ridiculous demands? "No one shall wear blue body gear.

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Lmao rip me xD

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That macro is an old meme, Chloe. No need to response seriously to begin with.

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What was serious about it? The person's comment in question was covered in the second line of my very first post. Nobody was really discussing how these macro-warriors are created - after all, it's common sense that some will boil into that role over time, rather than instantly flip their table at the first sign of dungeon-drama and craft a righteous macro-rant. I imagine it takes quite a bit for some of them to believe such macros are doing themselves a favour, however.

As for those mentioning vote-kick, yes, there is that, yet when normal content requires a 15minute wait before it can be used, this isn't exactly a desirable solution as you're either in it for the long-haul by the time said 15minutes expires (ie. may as well endure the nonsense if the team have trucked on anyway), or people will leave of their own accord anyway, which is fine, though if you're a DPS who waited 30minutes for a dungeon, having a team leave because of one bitter dictator isn't exactly a barrel of fun, even if you can leave (unpunished) and re-queue.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Or just make your own list of ridiculous demands? "No one shall wear blue body gear. DoTs shall only be cast after 15 seconds has passed since tank has used their first AoE move. Only tank is allowed to use Limit Break."

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That would be a good joke. Demands like "Red Mages should wear RED", just to joke with him.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

1 mob at a time? Da fuq who is that lazy? I like big pulls though when i'm a healer. Keeps it fast and interesting. I just want to get in and get out the majority of the time. 1 mob at a time would make the run last forever. Yikes. I'd pull the whole dungeon if I was tanking and I saw that then vote kick the healer asap.

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I like bigger pulls too. It forces me to actually heal (between some holy casts).

A healer shouldn't dictate how the dungeon should run.
It is the tank's job to evaluate how good the group is, at what pace the run can be done.

If the tank goes too fast, there will be a wipe : up to him then to adjust the speed...

Honestly it just sorta sounds to me as if he was trolling :P.
And to be fair, I rarely say '' hello '' either even tho I can be talkative.
It's pretty random whether I'll say it or not.

I never give anyone a hard time if I don't think that they're doing things right tho.
Not even if we're wiping a lot, so long as they're actually trying and not deliberately messing up.
The closest to me getting mad that you'll ever get is when I am tanking and dps runs ahead and pulls ( even tho I do big pulls, I am NOT a slow tank. I am very fast in my tanking ).
First time I'll just go: '' Let tank pull plz. ''.
Second time I'll go: '' Next time I'll let you die ''.
And the third time I just either votekick or leave myself.
That's about as far as my '' rage '' and '' snobbiness '' goes. And I don't really leave out of anger or anything, it's just a game. But mainly because I don't want to perpetuate bad behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

A healer shouldn't dictate how the dungeon should run.
It is the tank's job to evaluate how good the group is, at what pace the run can be done.

If the tank goes too fast, there will be a wipe : up to him then to adjust the speed...

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Pretty much, I never really say anything about that when I am healing.
If the tank is slow then I just assume that he/she might either be new or have just recently come back from a break. And even if that isn't the case then no big deal

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

I mean, I've once seen a healer with such a macro but it was more on line of (I'm new to healing, plz dont do huge pull as I am too experienced. Don't expect me to dps too much Im still new to the job etc etc)
Which was actually a proper warning, like "don't play dumb I'm not a good healer"

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I hate this warning lol.

It's like a polite way of saying:
I offer 0 reliable healing, but if we wipe it's the tank's fault.

I'd much rather have a healing commitment such as:
"I'm new to healing, but you can count on me to at least spam cure II"
^ I can get work done with that.

Or, "I'm new to healing, but I'll do my best!" That way if things do go sideways, the crew at least knows you are new.

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A healer shouldn't dictate how the dungeon should run.
It is the tank's job to evaluate how good the group is, at what pace the run can be done.

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When I tank, the first pack is my gateway to making a judgement call. If the healing or DPS is slack, I can tweak from there. It also allows me to gauge my own tankiness vs the previous points. From there, yes, it's generally up to me what to pull, but I don't assume I'm the big-bad-authority figure right out of the gate when I'm tanking. As long as it's a sum of all parts, everyone can influence the run.

I am wondering why he's even playing a healer.....

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Originally Posted by gumas

iam not going to post his name obviously but all i can say is he's from ramuh server, lalafell and whm.

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Wait he was a lalafell? ...Seems legit.

wow.. haven't encountered this type of player.. rather, i haven't thought that this kind of player exists.. perhaps i'm still too naive? or maybe it's just that the peeps in Louisoix server are generally nice and polite? i don't know :D

as a healer, and player in general, I don't talk much..just 3 times mostly..

saying hi at the start.. sorry if wiped.. thank you at the end..

that's kind of a 'snob' is it? :p

Wow this is like a reverse healer horror story...one of the key parts of being a healer is ability to adapt and do your best to keep everyone alive. Deliberately saying you will let someone die? Oh God...also if your mana is dipping below 60% and you are that worried about it perhaps they should consider using Lucid Dreaming or another conservation strategy. I main as AST and part of the fun and challenge is managing my mana properly. I think this person is in the wrong job...

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Originally Posted by gumas

iam not joking

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I died as soon I as got there. 10/10. Best post ever. But wow... I would've died laughing if I saw that in a dungeon. People are funny.

Lol I had a healer who got mad at me because we wiped on the last pull of Skalla. I popped every cool down I had and even used Inner Release and spammed steel cyclone for heals. I popped Holmgang then died when it wore off. I apologized for pulling too much and the healer says “You didn’t pop any cooldowns and stood AFK in the Aoes.” I told him I did pop cooldowns and when you pop Holmgang you can’t move and he proceeds to say I’m wasting everyone’s time arguing. Like I have all healers 70 and maimed heal before I played tank like dude why would I not use cooldowns cause I know the pain in the butt healers go through when tanks don’t use cooldowns lol.