Having played FF 12 now that it released on PC I was reminded of the beauty that is the gambit system. Could that please be incorporated for squadron use in XIV. It would be optional, since those who don't want to bother with it could just go with the current system. But it would give delightful way to adjust the squadron behaviour for those programming minded. And being just for squadron use, it shouldn't give unfair edge in any very meaningful way against other players. Anyone else with me on this?
I mean, I would also love to see it for chocobo companion use but that might set players on different level.
Gambits for squadrons please?
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02-09-2018, 04:32 PMSidaGambits for squadrons please?
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02-09-2018, 04:59 PMKule
Actually I think it was mentioned by yoshi p years ago that they had originally planned to use the gambit system for the chocobo (and magitek) companion but ended up using the system as an easier way of scripting boss battles or something. I've tried googling for the article but can't find it.
this quote is from fanfest three years ago
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Koji: Basically he's kind of thinking out loud in this stream of consciousness. He's trying to think of how could we do something and what could we do. And he's trying to think, ok, what if we did something like going into a dungeon solo. That would be pretty challenging. Or maybe going in solo and having an npc that's been programmed with the gambit system by you. You tell them what to do. Something like that.
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02-09-2018, 05:49 PMSida
Back then we didn't have squad dungeons though ^^ I realise it would be more flavour than actually any groundbreaking contet but I just love that system ^^
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02-09-2018, 06:27 PMBacent
I would love for something like this. Give us a currency to buy more gambits and the like so the better they get, the more options we have.
The current system that's in game right now is a HUGE pain in my arse. It sets off my OCD and I can't get through a single dungeon without at the least 1 death because one of my squadfarts likes to stand in an AoE when the boss is invincible and the healer doesn't act fast enough to keep them alive. -
02-10-2018, 04:34 AMmiraidensetsuI would LOVE it. I'm programmer myself and that can solve all problems with the squadron AI, such as the tank who don't hold aggro, the green DPS... Only Nanasomi helps me, it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sida
Use those who already exists. I'd prefer buy it with Gil, but if I can buy it with GC currency, it would be great. Poetics? Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
That happens with me. And when I tried Wanderer's Palace, they were killing the adds, disobeying the unegage command. And I always were killed because the boss always became too strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
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02-10-2018, 05:18 AMSquintina
They improved some of the AI during 4.2.
That being said, a gambit system would allow us to customize based on how we personally prefer to play and what NPC's we bring, so I'd really love one. -
02-11-2018, 11:29 PMSida
Even the gambit system has it's limit, as at least the FF 12 version lacks the possibility for double or nested conditions. So there might be some headaches with it. But at least then it would be just matter to solve them with what a have, instead of not having anything ^^
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02-12-2018, 12:19 AMGr1mwolf
It would be nice, but I'm not aware of any reason to actually DO command missions. It's just an exceptionally long dungeon run which rewards only a small amount of EXP to the squadron. The item drops aren't even worth it, since the dungeons are all low-level.
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02-12-2018, 12:25 AMTlamilaIt rewards YOU a load of xp (I went from 20 to 24 in one Halatali command mission) and you get to keep all loot, again if you run them to level classes. And even for squadron, it rewards less xp than a normal mission but doesn't take 18h. Also, some of us want to avoid pugs.Quote:
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That said their AI makes those runs hell, now I have no clue whatsoever what gambits are but any way to make their AI better would be much welcome indeed. -
02-12-2018, 03:34 AMDerio
I haven't played ff12 in years but are gambit those conditional battle scenarios. Like if a party member other than the tank gets hit the tank AI will taunt the enemy.
Or if health falls below x the healer will heal with y.
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02-12-2018, 04:46 PMSida
Gambits are a list of conditional commands in priority order. They are formed of two parts, gambit, which is the targeting condition (such as "Ally: <50% HP" would target ally that'd falls below 50%), and action which is executed to thus selected target. They are read from the top of the list, first one that matches is executed then started reading from the top of the list again.
In FF12 the action can be any ability or item the character in question can use. In here I guess we would have list of skills based on the class of the squad member. I would also like to see commands "move to player" and "move to target".
I'm aware squads are rather minor part of the game, but some other minor parts of the game get improved as well time to time. -
02-13-2018, 06:40 AMSquintinaIt's good for people leveling low level alt classes/job. Lots of dungeon exp without any queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gr1mwolf
And because you're in control you get to decide whether to do a full clear of ALL mobs for exp or not.
With rested exp, it's an excellent alternative to potd spam. Without rested exp, it's a slightly inferior alternative to potd spam, but good for people who are just sick of potd...
The AI can be challenging (though often still better than pugs), though I find it mostly fine.It was mainly the healer AI that bothered me and they made it better for 4.2. Some people also complain about the tank AI but I use engage/disengage to force it and just take on the job of a tactician.
If I could be tactician with gambits though, that'd be even better.
While the drops aren't amazing, since they're all for me I equip them on my leveling classes (ALL of my ARR/HW non-magic are < 50) if it's an upgrade, then use the rest for GC to turn into Coke or something else I can sell. This means I get to gear them as I level pretty easily without ever spending anything.