Why would you join a lootmaster party?

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I've seen a lot of these for Byakko, and they're actually filling up, and I just don't see the logic in it myself. Why would you join a party just to help someone else get whatever they want instead of one where you could get a fair shot?

I'm assuming by lootmaster you mean the mount which is the most common.

It depends what they want. If they just need like 2 totems or alt weapons or something, it's whatever. Lootmaster doesn't stop you from getting totems. Maybe they already have the dog and there is no lootmaster on the crafting material or sheet music.

Either that or it's a trap party, where it's the leader and their buddies that are there to help them get their dog then are going to bail afterwards but couldn't quite fill the entire party.

Or they just didn't read. (This is actually fairly common, people reading the category and not the comment or additional notes)

I wouldn't join them ever though.

You're assuming that people read all the details before joining.

I don't get it either. The chance for abuse is way too high; I outright refuse to join loot master parties. Personally, I think S-E needs to completely overhaul how they let players distribute loot, but that's a separate discussion.

Yes sorry wasn't very clear. The "mount in order" type groups. I've seen 2 drop in 43 kills so far, if you're the 8th person joining do you really think you're going to stay together for 150 plus runs? You'll be lucky to see just one, and that goes to the person who made it. I get why people make them I just don't see why people join I guess.

Why attack one enemy when the tank has 6+ stacked together and the healer is dpsing? Why stay in tank stance for the entirety of the boss when mobs before and after are pulled wall to wall? Why join farm groups for content they've yet to clear?

Because playerbase. That or they're just bored and don't care about loot.

My favorite ones are the "I already have the mount" ones. I always check the lodestone, and about 75% of the time, they don't. trap parties all of them

To answer your question, OP, personally, if I ever join a lootmaster party, it's usually to pick up the totem for that particular primal and nothing more. Did this quite a bit with Susano Ex to get my alt jobs their weapon.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

My favorite ones are the "I already have the mount" ones. I always check the lodestone, and about 75% of the time, they don't. trap parties all of them

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If it's lootmaster, I agree with you.

If it's not lootmaster, and they say this, I would assume they just got the mount recently and Lodestone hasn't updated yet.
Because, if it's not lootmaster, what could they gain by saying this other than enticing more people to join? Everyone still has a free shot at the loot.

Some people might join for totems.
Some people might join just to help out.
If there's a new person bonus on top of the loomaster, some people might join for the Second Chance.
If it's a tank, some people might join to get an instance run toward an achievement.
Some people recognize the party leader and know it's a good person.

I've joined other extremes that were loomaster (not Byakko) because i already had the mount or didn't care about it because I planned on farming it in the future with better gear, didn't care about other drops, and they were on my WT list.

And of course some people don't read/think.

Lootmaster party my static is running that we all agreed to the rules? Sure.

Lootmaster party of randoms? Hell no.

It's one thing to use it to distribute gear in a fair manner amongst a set group working on content together day after day. It's lunacy to put in the work so the lootmaster and their buddies get the goods.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Lootmaster party my static is running that we all agreed to the rules? Sure.

Lootmaster party of randoms? Hell no.

It's one thing to use it to distribute gear in a fair manner amongst a set group working on content together day after day. It's lunacy to put in the work so the lootmaster and their buddies get the goods.

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If your static has agreed to lootmaster terms do you really need it in the first place? Are statics full of dishonorable people?

I would fully support SE abolishing lootmaster totally.

I made a mistake in joining one of these garbage I was there for free wasting my time I've learned my lesson never joined these type of party never

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Yes sorry wasn't very clear. The "mount in order" type groups. I've seen 2 drop in 43 kills so far, if you're the 8th person joining do you really think you're going to stay together for 150 plus runs? You'll be lucky to see just one, and that goes to the person who made it. I get why people make them I just don't see why people join I guess.

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even when the party stays together for the 150 plus runs and everyone gets their mount - when everyone will get it, the order doesn't matter.

you simply can't win anything when you join such a "mount in order" party and the only reason they exist is to scam you.

I only join these parties if I need 10 or less totems before I cap out at 99, before that, I don't ever step in these.

I'll join one if I see it has 1 slot left to fill to remove it from the PF list and then i'll immediately bail. 99% of the time they're scams so I don't feel bad at all.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

If your static has agreed to lootmaster terms do you really need it in the first place? Are statics full of dishonorable people?

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I guess it makes distributing things for alt jobs easier and lowers the chance of everyone accidentally passing it and it dropping to the ground (sometimes you get into those like "Nah i'll pass it, nah i'll pass it, you can have it" situations. If it's just one person keeping track of the loot, who has gotten what and who should be getting the next tome upgrade item etc it is more structured and less messy.

I never join one of these parties in hopes of getting the mount.

But yeah, if the mount is all you want, joining one of these is pretty dumb.

On the other hand, if you want other loot, I've actually found that you're more likely to get it in a lootmaster party because a lot of the people that are there ONLY want the mount and will pass everything else, either because they don't care for it or already have it.

I've joined several lootmaster parties in previous ex farms... worked out quite well... however I only will join a "mount in order of joining" party if I'm like the 2nd or 3rd person to join... also id wait til they increase the drop rate or add the totem exchange

I've only been in /one/ of these parties that held together until everyone got their drop and it was for the Shiva EX pony well towards the tail end of HW. Every other time the parties have disbanded once the lootmaster and their lackey got their loot, usually by citing some issue that just came up that they had to attend to. These days if all I see are lootmaster runs I'll just put up a normal, non-lootmaster party myself and take the results come what may. Much less frustrating.

I would never join a lootmaster group for something if I didn't have the mount for it already.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

If your static has agreed to lootmaster terms do you really need it in the first place? Are statics full of dishonorable people?

I would fully support SE abolishing lootmaster totally.

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If yours is full of "dishonorable people" I'd question why your in it.

Having lootmaster reduces the number of clicks on each piece of gear, this reduces the number of misclicks possible. Lootmaster really shouldn't be used amongst strangers, its for groups of friends. With it you can easily gear everyone up evenly without dice rolls getting in the way.

That said, if your group doesn't want to use it, don't. It's really that simple. SE doesn't need to abolish it.

I won't join a random group that doing lootmaster but if it with someone I know and trust who'll not ninja the mount and run, I'll join.

Basically the idea is to get people to stay even when they get their mount. While it doesn't always work and there always that one jerk who like, "hahaha got my mount so long losers!" most groups I've done on lootmaster them eight people stay until everyone got the mount. More often then not, when your just running free for all, people loot their mount and leave. Replacing one person after another and it get tiring when one leaves and another joins who needs the mount. What worse is if you've been in that party the longest and someone new comes in and wins the mount over you and then up's and leaves.

Some people you can trust and actually follow through with the whole group getting what they came in for but a good 95% you can't. You take your chances or you don't. You go in with people you know or you suffer the endless torment of pugs and people not sticking it out until everyone gotten a mount.

The last lootmaster I joined was a laughable experience.

That was a Leviathan EX. I didn't want to farm, i wanted to do it for Khloe anyway and it wasn't even written it was a lootmaster party. Since I had time, I was still going to do some run (i needeed the poney anyway).
What happened is, everyone died really quickly. I asked if I should wipe since I was the last one standing, but the leader of the party told me to keep going.
So I soloed the fight (could do easily as healer).

We opened the chest. Nice! The mount! Guess what ? The leader took it for himself, left and disbanded the party.
So I got my Khloe run yeah, that's what I was here for, even if would have farm a bit. But pretty much spent my time doing the fight alone for this guy. I thought I could at least have the right to roll since I did all the job by myself. Or even a little "thanks" or anything.

Why telling this story?
Cause I won't ever go in a lootmaster party again for any reason.

I would only join these to farm either light for relic weapons or tank achievements in ARR content. Why because with 5 level 70's most these fights can be done in under a minute. Maybe more if there is mechinics that the boss becomes untargetable or invincible.

Any helper to help me to get mount ? :/ want byakko mount so bad...

I don't trust lootmaster parties at all. The party leader may claim that they will give loot/mount to whoever joins in first; as soon as it drops, they'll take it for themselves then disband the group. That's how sneaky some players can be..

I will not join these "loot master/mount in order" either if i'm hoping to get the mount.
Because it's mostly a scam, but even if the party was created with a honest purpose, the chance of the party remaining alive until every one in the party gets his mount is low. In most practical case the party will disband before that.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

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Well, that isn't very nice...

I'm not terribly surprised, though. A lot of people in this game will willingly screw over even close friends for the sake of a few pixels. I've been unfortunate enough to experience that first hand.

Not in a million years, but then again i wouldn't join any PF party in the first place :D

I joined one once, after the mount drop rate had been increased, because I overestimated HOW MUCH it had been increased. I saw the mount-in-order, and figured that hey, it must be easy to get eight mounts now. We got two - and that was after several hours' worth of attempts. One of them went to me, since I was second to join, but I felt pretty dirty about it afterwards. I won't be doing it again.

Unless I'm only looking for weapons, I won't even look at lootmaster parties. Putting aside the likely scumminess, who really will stay for four, five, ten hours? Until mount drops are increased, it can take hundreds of runs. No matter how well intended some people may be, they just won't have the time to stick around.

I avoid these parties like the plague. I would rather make my own party finder than join one of those.

I never do for relevant content but sometimes I do for WT stamps. If the party is good I would stay for a few more runs otherwise I just grab my thing and get out

I admittedly rarely try forming them. If I do, I set it so I don't get the mount first. I set it so I'm last to get it most times actually. I also only form them when I have the time to do so. From the majority of statements here, it looks like I'm one of the few who does this.

I did it awhile back on Bismarck, but this was still after many droprate buffs. Because it was buffed enough I didn't think the leader would screw around. Everybody won their mount and nothing sleazy happened, but even then I didn't really feel accomplished in putting faith in this boring marathon and would much prefer just doing short random bursts when I have the time. I especially won't dare try lootmaster order on primals with no droprate increases and usually sleepy dps. I didn't even factor in the point that many leaders will only do their own drop etc.

I join these parties. That's a majority of what goes up in the Aether datacenter. Most don't actually use the lootmaster option, but have it checked for the PF, for some reason. Either way, I can't seem to roll over 30, so I might as well get 99 totems in a party that fills pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, that isn't very nice...

I'm not terribly surprised, though. A lot of people in this game will willingly screw over even close friends for the sake of a few pixels. I've been unfortunate enough to experience that first hand.

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Yeah... You know, I wasn't expecting a lot. Really a single "thanks" would have been enough for me. But not a word.

Honestly, not all LM parties are bad. It's better than joining groups and watching people loot and scoot.

I don't join parties unless I know I have the time to sit and farm, but a lot of the time people get theirs and then leave, then I have to go against 7 people again.

When you get to a point of having run it 60 times and then watch someone run it their 2nd or 3rd time and take the drop and run, a LM doesn't look that bad anymore.

I've even had LM party masters that put themselves last on the list of people to get the drop, it's not always selfishness, sometimes it's lets work together to do something for everyone.

My luck is the shittiest. When I do join, is just to grind totems.