Airships/Submarines/Workshop For Individuals

Hi, with new housing available can SE finally please allow individual house owners the ability to have a workshop and be able make/craft housing items and a personal airship and submarine for exploration ventures? Not asking for 4 of each like FCs, just 1 or maybe 2 at max of each would be great. Some mats and items are exclusively locked behind this feature and if you locked out of this, you become subject to an over-inflated market board.

Yes please

I'd really like this. I'd love to play around with airships and submarines, but I have no interest in running a FC and I'm in a large one for the social factor. I know the leaders put a lot of work into the workshops and the gil goes into FC events and such, so I wouldn't dream of being selfish and asking to play with it myself just for the sake of playing. But I would really like to play with it in my own house if it were possible. A smaller version of the same system would be perfect.

EDIT: Tbh, they should use this as an incentive if they release an additional instanced housing setup to get personal owners to move out of the wards. If you transfer your personal house to an instanced one (of any size), you get access to a small workshop! Instanced housing could be unlimited so everyone would have a chance to save up their gil and get it. I think this would free up a large portion of the wards for FCs. I'd move in a heartbeat.

I disagree. FC Airships and Subs should be for FC's only. If you want to use one ask your FC for permission or make your own FC.

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Originally Posted by crc0427

I disagree. FC Airships and Subs should be for FC's only. If you want to use one ask your FC for permission or make your own FC.

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\o/ People like to complain about one person FCs taking up all the housing... Imma quote this next time I see any complaints.

Anyways I would like this. FCs can have up to four ships right? I don't see why allowing one personal ship would be a problem.

Why aren't we already working with the machinsts in Ishgard or Garlond Ironworks for the airships and subs?

That's a great way to allow a player (albeit, with a bit of effort) a way to get their own airship - especially if they're willing to front all the resources for their own ship.

For that matter, why can't I have an airship that's effectively my house?

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Originally Posted by crc0427

I disagree. FC Airships and Subs should be for FC's only. If you want to use one ask your FC for permission or make your own FC.

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FC airships and subs should be for FC use only; however, not everyone has access to mats and things gathered from them, and having to leave an FC you love just to have access to items from airships/ subs doesn't seem like the best idea. Would be much better to allow individuals access to a single airship and sub from Mor Dhona, Foundation, or even from personal housing. There have been lots of ideas about how SE could allow airship/ sub access as well as gardening access that isn't tied to housing to help people have more access to these items. I mean, it's great that you're the leader of a huge FC, but not all of us are so lucky. ;-) ♥ you Zeo. /pet

I disagree :) I feel like if you're FC isn't providing for members who are actively helping out, something is wrong :)

Even allowing the airship/sub for personal use out of ishgard/kugane or even have a split section at the fc station that allows you to access your personal ship would be cool. Also an easy thing to do if just for personal houses/apartments would be to make the airship station itself a placeable furnishing for your house.

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Originally Posted by crc0427

I disagree :) I feel like if you're FC isn't providing for members who are actively helping out, something is wrong :)

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The only FC that I have been in, big or small, that allowed members that put mats, gathering, etc. into the ship running or building to reap some of the rewards is the one my friend has and I co lead now. Got so sick of being used and made our own. Life is good. I am 100% for individuals getting the ability to build and utilize their own ships period.

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Originally Posted by crc0427

I disagree :) I feel like if you're FC isn't providing for members who are actively helping out, something is wrong :)

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Even trying to provide for members can be difficult and that difficulty ramps up the busier the fc is and the more members it has. Fighting with requests, the huge time the trips can take, as well as the random nature of loot on top of that - it can potentially take weeks just to fulfill one small request if you've got bad luck. All the while more requests pile on and people start getting aggrivated that you're showing favoritism to person A whom you're just trying to get one item for before moving down a list. Even if it requires being in an fc to use, I would love to let people have access to their own airship/sub. In fact why not make them character locked so buying extra houses doesn't net you additional submarines/airships?

I would also vote for this. If you are in a big FC and not one of the first or founding members there is usualy no way for newcomers to get access to these features even if your FC have maxed them out. This stuff is usualy managed by a very few members of veteran or higher ranks. The mayority of a guild is usualy not allowed to use these ships or submarines. So if you want to play around with this kind of stuff you need to make a small fake FC or hope that SE will someday allow Individual house owners to use this feature to (witch most likely will never happen).

A good solution would be also to add a workshop to each appartment building witch can be entered through the first floor (where the npcs are), than could every player who owns an appartment in the buidling enter his ship and sub through a menu thats similiar to the one u use for entering your appartment.

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Originally Posted by crc0427

I disagree. FC Airships and Subs should be for FC's only. If you want to use one ask your FC for permission or make your own FC.

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Why does that have to be the case? I don't see that most members benefit from airships in a FC. The leadership does and a few select people. Airships bring back tons of mats which are rarely shared with the membership. The membership for the most part has no clue given most mats are stored on retainers owned by the leadership.

I see no harm whatsoever other than the loss of the rarity of some exclusive mats and the gil associated with them given a lot more people would have access to them.

Open it up as many have suggested here with private housing or some public venue where all can participate.

Yes please and maybe add private rooms to private housing so can let friends have a room at your place.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I don't see that most members benefit from airships in a FC. The leadership does and a few select people.

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Outside of the leadership and those select few, did the other members actually contribute to the creation of those airships / submarines?
This is usually a no, they did not contribute.
Have they donated Gil or housing items for decoration? Likely not.

If you are a member that does contribute, those contributions are usually noticed and rewarded from the fruits of the FC exclusive items.
I remember when I was a low member on the ranks of a very large FC (300+ people). I donated Gil, Chocobo food, seeds, fed chocobos in the stables, and materia to the FC. Within a short period of time, I was promoted from that low rank to a near leadership rank with many privileges. You earn the rewards by your contributions.

There is the problem of RNG from airship rewards, e.g. my FCs airships have not returned a single Cloud's breath seed in the last 2 1/2 months and all of them hit 3 sectors which can return it every run.
There is also the problem of education, in our FC page 1 of the chest is open to exchange for all but the two lowest ranks. We keep materia / orchestration role mats / chocobo food / stable brooms in there. And you know what, only same 5 people in the leadership ever remove anything from that page.

OP, I disagree, FC housing was suppose to be a social activity with rewards for working together as a group. It is bad enough that personal plots have gardening. They should not have that either IMO.

FCs are really recommended for small groups of people like at most 10 to 12, otherwise it's just not profitable a venture for the members. FCs aren't meant to be social groups only. That's what link shells are for. I'm surprised people aren't advertising link shells more as a platform to network with other players. Too many players can't access workshop because they're not in the inner circle of their FCs, and that is nobody's fault. You can't just trust your house/workshop to someone you barely know, else horror stories. That's why you start your own FCs with your trusted circle of friends. Even if there's just the 3 or 4 of you, that just means more mats for everyone.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Outside of the leadership and those select few, did the other members actually contribute to the creation of those airships / submarines?

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Thank you for confirming that the leadership and a select few benefit from the rewards from airships and submarines. Sounds like gardening is also one of those special perks for your inside group to benefit from as well. You see that's exactly the point, airships, submarines and gardening should be for everyone not just a small little inner circle who control everything.

I can't help but agree. My sis and I started our own FC solely for access to the workshop and airships lol. And it's not that our old FC didn't help members, or give access to airship mats, it's just we're big into gathering and it seemed like a fun project to get into once our crafters got high enough. It was something else to work on when we got burnt out on dungeons and raids.

It's true though, if/when they make it available to individuals, airship items will be even more worthless. So anyone wanting it for a gil machine, this is the very last thing you should want to happen lol.

It is my view that many "shell" or solo FCs are created for the sole purpose of gaining access to the airship/sub feature and people shouldn't be forced to separate from FCs they like simply to gain access to these features of housing. As stated in my opening, I wouldn't desire personals to have 4 of each, just 1 or 2 of each would be great and I believe that if individuals had access to this, you would not see as many solo FCs running around if ppl had the option of having personal airship/subs. I'm in an FC that sends out airships and subs all the time and all that benefits the FC, I just want something for myself to build and send out.

I think it would be great to allow individuals access to this; I know so many people who make 1 or 2 man FCs (with alts) just so they can have access to this. And I can't even fault them for it! If you aren't the FC leader or their best friend, you might put effort into the project as asked but it's laughable if you think they're going to share the spoils with you. If FC leaders shared the spoils with everyone who helped (assuming everyone or many help), then it would cease to be profitable for them so they generally won't. Sad but true from my experience. :/

Totally agree with this. I have my own FC and access to my own workshop. Airships and submarines have no reason to be FC only. It only promotes the idea of the select few who have control deciding who has access. That was one of the reasons I have my own FC. I couldn't use the garden in my old FC and I had no access to airship supplies.

Personal housing doesn't need to have access to as many as FC. That can be the small perk for the workshop being an FC workshop. But at least one makes sense. Especially from a lore perspective. We are accomplished crafters and we have someone like Cid as a mentor, and we can't tinker with any of this in our spare time? It's kind of silly that the option for personal airships don't exist when considered in that light.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Totally agree with this. I have my own FC and access to my own workshop. Airships and submarines have no reason to be FC only. It only promotes the idea of the select few who have control deciding who has access. That was one of the reasons I have my own FC. I couldn't use the garden in my old FC and I had no access to airship supplies.

Personal housing doesn't need to have access to as many as FC. That can be the small perk for the workshop being an FC workshop. But at least one makes sense. Especially from a lore perspective. We are accomplished crafters and we have someone like Cid as a mentor, and we can't tinker with any of this in our spare time? It's kind of silly that the option for personal airships don't exist when considered in that light.

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I mean, if you did Ixal beast tribes, you help them build an airship before, why can't we make our own? And with Cid as a mentor as well, we should totally be able to own this airship thing!

I never knew why this wasn't a thing in the first place. Only about 1% of the playerbase take advantage of this feature, and no, it's not because FCs are selfish or w/e, it's only natural that FCs want to have some control over their airships and submarines by restricting their use to a small amount of their members (most trusted ones generally).
I'd definitely welcome such change (hell, some people even create small FCs alone for Airship and Submarine purposes, allow this feature to be used by private owners and suddenly we'd have even more housing plots open).

I think we should also have the ability to turn a personal house into a FC house since they don't seem to want to give us the right to have airships. Only 2 people in our FC do all the airships, projects, crafting etc and that shows me that we can easily run the workshop and airships solo. Come on Square Enix, its bad enough there isn't enough housing but making it impossible for the majority of players to get things like Fine Alumen, or the Zu Mount is simply unfair and corrupts the monetary system in the game.

Same as the selling of FC's which is still a thing even after all the changes. they are now selling FC houses for 400 million gil or more which tells me its simply so the money sellers can make more money, they made fake FC's and then turn them around to sell the gil. Not a house on Mateus, and while I would be willing to change to a different server the cost of moving my characters over and then have to wait and not get a house anyway would really make me hate the game more than I currently do. ADD MORE WARDS ALREADY!

I could imagine something like a public harbour where you could dock one submarine and one airship, not sure if the same upgrade system would work from a technical standpoint.
Anyway, giving everyone acess o 4 airships and 4 submarines is way too much, it really is a lot of work to farm all the parts and upgrade them.

That's one heck of a necro

Right now airship materials and other stuff are somewhat valuable, if every single player can send out ships anything that comes back wont be worth the effort, markets will be flooded.
You could make everything that comes back untradable but then you would eliminate the biggest income generator of an fc besides goodwill of players

demonitize the entire branch.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Right now airship materials and other stuff are somewhat valuable, if every single player can send out ships anything that comes back wont be worth the effort, markets will be flooded.
You could make everything that comes back untradable but then you would eliminate the biggest income generator of an fc besides goodwill of players

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True if every player could do it, but how many actually would?

If you're not an omnicrafter, you can't make the parts and they sell for millions of gil each on the marketboard. The materials can get expensive if you're not also a gatherer. Best case scenario is you're going to need 2 full sets of parts (the starting set then a final upgrade set once your ship reaches a high enough rank). Most workshops end up going to multiple sets depending on what they're farming.

It takes a lot of time to rank up the airships and submersibles. Our FC house was purchased first round of the lottery back in April (we weren't affected by the 0 bug). While our airships have been rank 50 for a couple of months, it was only last week that the final sector was discovered (was using 2 airships until I was down to that last sector and decided I'd rather have a 3rd sub than 2 airships operating). My subs range from 50 to 86 but I'm still working through unlocking the Sea of Jade sectors. I'm expecting another 3 weeks before I have Sirensong Sea unlocked. I might be caught up to the older workshops by the time the next map is added if it's not coming out in 6.2.

The value of most items that come back from voyages is pretty low - the good stuff generally is only worth a lot when first released. Players could choose to farm salvaged accessories but if those start generating too much gill, SE will nerf them into near nothing just as they've done with sell to vendor values on other items like materia/demi-materia.

SE could probably make it accessible to individual players and it wouldn't upset the balance that much in the long term other than a need to nerf Salvaged Accessories. Our FC's workshop is about 3 million gil to the good now but that's only because I had a massive stockpile of Voidrake and Althyk Lavender built up from my personal garden that we used for many of the materials needed to make the sub parts. Without that, we'd still be several million gil in the hole for materials or would have lost a massive amount of play time doing all the needed gathering (though we still did some of that).

Most players are going to decide it's not worth the bother with the costs offsetting the value of what they want to get out of it. Much easier to simply buy from others once the initial prices start dropping down to more reasonable levels.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

True if every player could do it, but how many actually would?


SE could probably make it accessible to individual players and it wouldn't upset the balance that much in the long term other than a need to nerf Salvaged Accessories. Our FC's workshop is about 3 million gil to the good now but that's only because I had a massive stockpile of Voidrake and Althyk Lavender built up from my personal garden that we used for many of the materials needed to make the sub parts. Without that, we'd still be several million gil in the hole for materials or would have lost a massive amount of play time doing all the needed gathering (though we still did some of that).

Most players are going to decide it's not worth the bother with the costs offsetting the value of what they want to get out of it. Much easier to simply buy from others once the initial prices start dropping down to more reasonable levels.

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There is one item, when crafted, that makes between 700k and 1m on my server, then we have the antique sink still at over 200k, the diverse crystals when crafted into that housing item (sorry forgot the name). The list goes on. Not huge amounts for most stuff but when added together its a very nice amount which would drop off to nothing if supply expands.
And true its quite an effort to run airships/subs. Also without a rework of basic ship mechanics its not even possible to be done without aid of an fc.Fuel for ships is bought with fc credits for one. And how many would keep up with gathering the repair materials.
Still i stand by my statement that i wouldnt like supply to grow above current fc's

A lot of the reason submarine or airship items have value is because the majority of FC's only farm Salvaged items for gil, reducing the supply of other items.

If they made airships/submarines personal, they'd have to nerf Salvaged accessories into the ground. Then the entire playerbase would immediately switch to hunting the items that are expensive on the market board. The supply would skyrocket, prices would crash and Submarines/Airships would lose most of their purpose.

Not every item in the game has to be accessible to everyone. I'd also be very unhappy if Salvaged accessories got the nerfbat because currently they bring in good gil and we funnel every bit of it back into our FC to keep a fully stocked open Company Chest as well as events and prizes. By all means they should crack down on one person FC's using subs for personal income, but regular FC's deserve a perk or two.