How to fix the messy Glamor system

I frankly have had enough of the Glamor system. It is a mess and needs to be fixed. The Glamor Dresser can honestly take a hike.

Instead of the Glamor Crystals glamoring 1 item to 1 item, clogging the inventory and forcing me to use lower ilv gear if I wanna use my job artifact gear as glamor, how about instead we have "Glamor Slots" for each job (keeping the swappable Plates that were just released so we can have presets for each, but we should be allowed to edit them on the go).

Example: I want to use the Ivalician Squire chest, boots and gloves. I switch to PLD and use 3 crystals to glamor the intended items through the Glamor window like before, but the projected items would go to their "Glamor Slot", and then you can just dump the item at your Retainer or whatever. This way we keep the glamors we want permanently even while swapping equipped gear and don't have to worry about spoiling our appearance mid-roulette because we picked up new gear.

I want it like how Wildstar is set up. You have costume slots. You set it up how you want. You switch it how you want. Every time you switch gear, your costume stays unless you change it. No hassle.

That much of a system overhaul would likely take more resources than they're willing to invest, if they don't think it's worth the cost.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

That much of a system overhaul would likely take more resources than they're willing to invest, if they don't think it's worth the cost.

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Not necessarily. They overhauled Perform the very next patch, which shows they're listening to player feedback on new systems. I wouldn't be surprised if they began refining the new glamour system as early as 4.25.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

I want it like how Wildstar is set up. You have costume slots. You set it up how you want. You switch it how you want. Every time you switch gear, your costume stays unless you change it. No hassle.

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And what about people with hundreds of glamour items? Retaining items as items keeps the problem of a limited initial inventory. Also outfits that share pieces require duplicates of possibly very expensive items.

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Originally Posted by Kohdo

Not necessarily. They overhauled Perform the very next patch, which shows they're listening to player feedback on new systems. I wouldn't be surprised if they began refining the new glamour system as early as 4.25.

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Refine yes, scrap and start over? highly unlikely.

In my opinion, we don't need to start from scratch, this current system (while a little clunky) could work once they refine it a little.

-Making the glamour dresser easier to sort through when depositing items (IE: Having what is it, Shirts Hats and Gloves all in one section makes it harder to find anything quickly to deposit)
-The ability to assign a plate to a gearset (so that changing the gearset will change the glamour plate and you wont have to readjust it every time. Luckily they're working on this already.)
-Making the glamour plate mask over the items instead of applying the glamour to the items. (What i mean by this is.. have it so if you're wearing a set on both your BLM and SMN, applying the plate to your SMN will currently apply the glamour to the items so your BLM would take on the appearance of that plate, even while not having any plates applied. Theres currently no workaround as using a glamour dispeller would take the glam away from both jobs still, requiring the plate to be re-applied so our options are either have a plate for each job, or gather two copies of the set, one to be glammed over and one to not be glammed over..)
-And of course, increase the number of plates we have, giving us at least enough plates for every combat job to have a plate. Ideally giving enough for all DoW and DoH/DoL jobs would be great but at the very least, we need enough to accommodate all the combat jobs.
-Let the items be removed from the glamour dresser, obviously.
-While I understand having to be at the dresser to deposit the items, They should let us adjust our plates on the fly, from anywhere. Give us access to the plates and let us change them around with items in our glamour dresser. Some people change their glamours around often, or switch pieces around. Having to run back to an inn (or hopefully eventually our house) every time we want to change our gloves out with a different pair of gloves is going to be a hassle, and make this system even more frustrating.

I'm sure theres many more, but like I said this system has potential. It's not as good as a glamour log by a longshot, but if this is the route they want to take, then there are options to make it as convenient to use as possible.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

In my opinion, we don't need to start from scratch, this current system (while a little clunky) could work once they refine it a little.

-Making the glamour plate mask over the items instead of applying the glamour to the items.

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This isn't a refinement of the system in place. That's designing an entirely new system.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

This isn't a refinement of the system in place. That's designing an entirely new system.

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While this part is the most technical, and probably the least likely to happen, I could see it being done under the constraints of the current system. It would have to be paired with the "apply a plate to a gearset" thing they're working on, but I was thinking it could be done by basically.. applying the glamour only to the items used in the current gearset its applied to, and dispelling the glamour on the item when you switch to a different gearset. So it wouldnt really be masking over it, but..

Basically going by the reference used in the above scenario, with the BLM and SMN wearing the same armor, You would have them both saved to a gearset, but only the SMN would have the glamour plate applied. So when you switch to your SMN gearset, it would apply the glamour to the items. If you switch to the BLM gearset that didnt have a plate, it would dispell the glamour.

In order to do this though they would have to completely remove the old original glamour system that allowed you to individually glamour single items, and.. like i said it would be too complicated for them to probably do. But I can dream :P

What is wrong with just using the dresser? When it comes to lower level, or insufficient stat gear, what's the point in even keeping them as items?

How are you guys complaining about inventory space? In all the MMO's I have ever played FFXIV give 10x's more inventory space than any other mmo and that's not including 2 free retainers. Other MMO's give 20 to 30 slots of inventory space at the start. Then you have to spend $20 to $30 for more inventory space and it doesn't even come close to what we get at the start of a new character in FFXIV.

Stop Hoarding all your gear. Find the gear you know you will use for glamour and toss the rest. There are so many ways to get your old event and job gear later if you decide you want to have it back.

Clean out your retainers and sell your useless stuff on the market board or turn it in for seals and call it a day. I just dont get it... IMHO the dev team and server team really went far beyond the call of duty when it comes to what we have in FFXIV. You can play any job you want on one character. There is tons of inventory space. They even changed up the entire glamour system in a few short years to where all you need is 1 type of glamour crystal..... seriously we are extremely spoiled in this game... and some how players still complain about inventory space.... go play Neverwinter or DCUO or Tera and see for yourself how spoiled we are in FFXIV.

Hats off to you devs and server team... you are doing an amazing job keeping this game going. :)

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Originally Posted by Cinno

Basically going by the reference used in the above scenario, with the BLM and SMN wearing the same armor, You would have them both saved to a gearset, but only the SMN would have the glamour plate applied. So when you switch to your SMN gearset, it would apply the glamour to the items. If you switch to the BLM gearset that didnt have a plate, it would dispell the glamour.

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The problem with that within the current system is that the "dispel" step would also wipe off any dyes previously attached to the base item.

Same issue if they add glamour dispellers to the current plates - they would probably need to be "dyeable" as well to restore the intended colour as well as appearance.

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Originally Posted by Kohdo

Not necessarily. They overhauled Perform the very next patch, which shows they're listening to player feedback on new systems. I wouldn't be surprised if they began refining the new glamour system as early as 4.25.

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I get the feeling that the update to perform was already being worked on, they just rushed out a 'beta' version of it to get it out to players in a workable state until they got the polish done.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

How are you guys complaining about inventory space? In all the MMO's I have ever played FFXIV give 10x's more inventory space than any other mmo and that's not including 2 free retainers. Other MMO's give 20 to 30 slots of inventory space at the start. Then you have to spend $20 to $30 for more inventory space and it doesn't even come close to what we get at the start of a new character in FFXIV.
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Sure, FFXIV may give 10x more inventory space than other mmos...

But, in FFXIV, you can have 26x as many classes on a single character.

One solution would be to recognize that equipments in this game are useless from a design standpoint, together with levels and stats, and the PvE should be updated like PvP : removing levels, equipments, and normalization of stats. Nothing will be lost.
And then, equipments would just be appearance. No need for complicated system like prisms, dressers, things you can only do in Inn or whatever. Just equip whatever you want to show.

I've been playing Tera online, and their glamour system is pretty awesome. There is an entire different slot section for Costumes, and you just drop the costume pieces on the slots..and it stays. Very simple.

When I logged in for a moment..this glamour chest thing seems so..unnecessary? Have to go to an inn, then chose..plates, what? I gave up and just kept the current thing I was wearing, I am not going back to an inn anytime I want to change my outfit. It feels very...1.0 (not 1.x) ish, where its a lot of steps for no reason. Just simplify it and make it so we have a costume tab like Tera.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

How are you guys complaining about inventory space? In all the MMO's I have ever played FFXIV give 10x's more inventory space than any other mmo and that's not including 2 free retainers. Other MMO's give 20 to 30 slots of inventory space at the start. Then you have to spend $20 to $30 for more inventory space and it doesn't even come close to what we get at the start of a new character in FFXIV.

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The only other subscription MMO I've played allows the player to have over 10 000 inventory slots on one server without paying any dollars. Except you never even need that much space because the game has a proper glamour log and doesn't reuse crafting materials from previous expansions.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

Sure, FFXIV may give 10x more inventory space than other mmos... But, in FFXIV, you can have 26x as many classes on a single character.

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Im running with all battle jobs that are at least 60 even pre SB I had no issues. I also fish and have to deal with bait in my inventory... still no issues. I also craft and gather on all other jobs and again I am not having issues. Its not that hard to dedicate inventory space for your needs. I have one retainer that holds all of my glamour. Another dedicated for gathering and the third dedicated to crafting. My inventory is for MISC items that I use for in the moment stuff like fishing or specific crafts..ect. You can have up to 4+ extra retainers. That is 6+ retainers full of inventory space.

Stop hoarding... and take an hour to organize your stuff.

XIs system is good : wear gear you want to use look of > go in menu and click lock style > change gear

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Originally Posted by Astral145

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Stop hoarding... and take an hour to organize your stuff.

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Who said I was having inventory issues?
I just pointed out a datapoint about ffxiv compared to other games.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

I have one retainer that holds all of my glamour. Another dedicated for gathering and the third dedicated to crafting. My inventory is for MISC items that I use for in the moment stuff like fishing or specific crafts..ect. You can have up to 4+ extra retainers. That is 6+ retainers full of inventory space.

Stop hoarding... and take an hour to organize your stuff.

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Wait, what? You admit having to rent more inventory space, and then you defend the game and educate others on how to manage their items? Eh...

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Originally Posted by Astral145

Im running with all battle jobs that are at least 60 even pre SB I had no issues. I also fish and have to deal with bait in my inventory... still no issues. I also craft and gather on all other jobs and again I am not having issues. Its not that hard to dedicate inventory space for your needs. I have one retainer that holds all of my glamour. Another dedicated for gathering and the third dedicated to crafting. My inventory is for MISC items that I use for in the moment stuff like fishing or specific crafts..ect. You can have up to 4+ extra retainers. That is 6+ retainers full of inventory space.

Stop hoarding... and take an hour to organize your stuff.

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It depends what you craft and what you are doing to craft. Some items use items from all 3 expansions and need to multistep, even worse if your trying build airships and so forth. FFXIV may give a lot of inventory, but it also uses way more. Has nothing to do with hording, unless your tossing out that 50k+ mat overflows after you make that one thing you are trying to make?? Some people have problems, some people don't. Some people do not glam at all, some people collect gear for all jobs, as in ilevel 320+ where all those jobs has its own gearset (outside the plate system) to use the plate system glams on crafting and gathering jobs. everyone plays different, and it is not a hording issue

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Wait, what? You admit having to rent more inventory space, and then you defend the game and educate others on how to manage their items? Eh...

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lul +1

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Originally Posted by Astral145

. go play Neverwinter or DCUO or Tera and see for yourself how spoiled we are in FFXIV.

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I've played all of those and i have never had to throw out possible looks for my clothes because of carryable inventory space in DC Online. DC online actually has an awesome glamour system. Everything you have ever worn is a possible glamour. WoW and GW2 have similar account level systems. Complaining about inventory in this context is different from complaining about inventory slots in general. 200 total glam items out of a million possible looks across 26 classes with 11 or 12 visible slots is pretty awful.

They over complicated what could have been a simple system.

Still needs rework.

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Originally Posted by savageink

I've played all of those and i have never had to throw out possible looks for my clothes because of carryable inventory space in DC Online. DC online actually has an awesome glamour system. Everything you have ever worn is a possible glamour. WoW and GW2 have similar account level systems. Complaining about inventory in this context is different from complaining about inventory slots in general. 200 total glam items out of a million possible looks across 26 classes with 11 or 12 visible slots is pretty awful.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Oriens

They over complicated what could have been a simple system.

Still needs rework.

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they have, it is mind bogging how many questions you see about it in the NN.

To be fair on this specific system, they overcomplicate *every* system.

"You want to upgrade your Shire gear? Go buy tautest gobtwine from the vendor in the other building. Oh sorry, the belt doesn't use the same stuff as the rest of it. Oh, and you wanted to upgrade your relic gear too? I know we provide that service, but you'll have to hike back to Ishgard to get normal gobtwine bought with a different currency..."

So much running about when it could just be "pay X poetics to upgrade". Or at least have them stock their own upgrade items.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

To be fair on this specific system, they overcomplicate *every* system.

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Maybe we should think about how to fix the devs instead of how to fix the systems they create then? <.<'

I dunno. Maybe a monthly design workshop with colleagues from elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

To be fair on this specific system, they overcomplicate *every* system.

"You want to upgrade your Shire gear? Go buy tautest gobtwine from the vendor in the other building. Oh sorry, the belt doesn't use the same stuff as the rest of it. Oh, and you wanted to upgrade your relic gear too? I know we provide that service, but you'll have to hike back to Ishgard to get normal gobtwine bought with a different currency..."

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That also needs addressing. I do not think "To be fair" really fits here.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

You can have up to 4+ extra retainers. That is 6+ retainers full of inventory space.

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The fact you're mentioning buying more space when you say we "shouldn't have issues" shows it takes a lot.

Eliminate the need for keeping physical items. We should not need to have an actual item icon stored in anything resembling an inventory system.

...in other words, give us a f***ing Glamour Log. Problem almost entirely solved. To fully and completely solve it from there, allow us to attach Glamour appearances to Gear Sets. Done. Or, y'know, just keep screwing it up and whining about server limitations, as if the Crafter Log and Gatherer Log and Challenge Log and Hunt Log and [Insert Anything Else] Log weren't things.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

That also needs addressing. I do not think "To be fair" really fits here.

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I said "to be fair" as in, it's not like everything else is straightforward and it's a specific fault of the glamour system that it's overcomplicated. It's a running pattern of how they do things and it shouldn't be a surprise that a new system is complex like all their other ones.

Also I might be in the minority but the glamour plate system makes sense to me. It's not as good as if they'd built it from scratch, but it seems to work well as a system that's compatible with their pre-established method of applying glamours. It definitely needs improvements, but it has laid the groundwork to turn into a near-seamless "equip gearset and glamour simultaneously" system if they can lift the current restrictions.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Eliminate the need for keeping physical items. We should not need to have an actual item icon stored in anything resembling an inventory system.

...in other words, give us a f***ing Glamour Log. Problem almost entirely solved. To fully and completely solve it from there, allow us to attach Glamour appearances to Gear Sets. Done. Or, y'know, just keep screwing it up and whining about server limitations, as if the Crafter Log and Gatherer Log and Challenge Log and Hunt Log and [Insert Anything Else] Log weren't things.

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I'm fairly sure the log that shows you killed or gathered or fished something is an entirely different ball of wax than a log that allows you to call up the appearance of any item and apply it to a current item you hold in your inventory.

The dresser does remove the requirement for keeping physical items. It just has a capacity. Have you seen peoples reaction to converting their items to entries in a "log"? It hasn't been well received.

The building blocks are in place, I'm hoping from here we get the rest of the set and not get told "ok.. that's it."