I'm curious on what people think. Since 4.2 I've been seeing people buying normal quality ilvl 350 stuff, which is much worse than 330/340 stuff you can get elsewhere.
Should an item be considered ilvl 350 when it's NQ compared to the stats of a HQ item?
Should HQ crafts affect the item level?
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02-04-2018, 07:04 AMBacentShould HQ crafts affect the item level?
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02-04-2018, 07:09 AMVstarstruck
in a way they kinda do.
HQ is the same as dropped gear of the same ilevel, while NQ is lower, even primary stats like strength or weapon damage, though the materia cap is the same, so you can put strength or intelligence or w/e to make up the difference.
All in all though I feel it is a bad system, NQ being "noob traps" -
02-04-2018, 07:12 AMAzper
You know what they say, "A fool and his money are soon parted."
If people can't be bothered to actually check the difference in stats and just blindly purchase stuff because it's a higher iLvl... well, that's kind of on them. -
02-04-2018, 07:14 AMBillyKaplanMaybe they're trying to clear an ilvl gate. The fact you can do that with gear that's inferior stats wise is a can of worms all on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
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02-04-2018, 07:25 AMVstarstruckThen they are cheating the system. NQ is not the true ilevel it says. That is why I do not like the system, esp with weapons, it can cause problems, i/e not having enough HP to really clear the place if they have ilevel carry values on the right side, while under gearing +NQ on the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyKaplan
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02-04-2018, 07:49 AMFelis
If they change that HQ give a ilevel bonus, inclusive the main stats still at the new max cap, then they also have to give NQ gear max stats for their original ilevel. Which mean that main stat materias will become useless.
Wouldn't a job mainstat check be better instead of a ilevel check for the DF? -
02-04-2018, 08:05 AMVstarstruckthey could, or they could decrease the ilevels for NQ, i doonoQuote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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02-04-2018, 08:24 AMSylvina
I think its fine for it to be the same item level as NQ but have slightly higher stats.
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02-04-2018, 09:39 AMAlkimi
Alternatively NQ gear should just be the same stats as HQ but have 1 materia slot (or none in the case of belts and accessories).
At least then it would still be usable. -
02-04-2018, 09:51 AMNihility
i think they've come to a conclusion that NQ is just as bad as failure
only thing that makes sense to me with the last few rounds of crafted stuff having NQ that is like ilvl -30 -
02-04-2018, 10:38 AMVaer
Did some quick math, the penalty is about 10% raw stats for the i350 nq crafted so not as bad as I thought. It puts a 350 NQ chest piece actual ilvl around about 330-335ish (Other than DEF/MDEF) which is fair for catchup gear.
The NQ 350 sch book has a whopping 14 less weapon damage (-10% overall rounded up) putting it at actual ilvl around i285 for wdmg stat. Yikes that is really bad. The raw stats are fine on it though.
DEF/MDEF stats take a beating as well but not as big a deal as weapon damage.
Crafting gear seems to be about 12% raw stat penalty for NQ.
I would just lower the ilvl of the nq gear since raising the stats to same as hq (for battle gear it is already 5-10 ilvls higher than previous tome gear at HQ) would just make normal raid floors less attractive since they drop the same ilvl. Maybe fix the weapon damage if they are feeling generous. -
02-04-2018, 11:15 AMVstarstruckthat is a huge issue, using nq weps is cheating ilevel requirements basicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
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02-04-2018, 02:59 PMDeaconMooreo.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
How is that "cheating"? The ilevel is the ilevel. When SE is making the ilevel requirements they should be just looking at the NQ gear not the HQ stuff. They are the ones that stat up the gear and set the requirements after all. They more than anyone else should be very aware of the differences. -
02-04-2018, 03:57 PMVstarstruckThe ilevel requirements are based on drop gear, and drop gear is = HQ. The ilevel requirements are not meant to be bypassed in NQ gear. esp with drastic differences in weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeaconMoore
NQ is basically trash in this game, I have no idea why it is made like it is, NQ gear is noob traps, all it is. -
02-04-2018, 04:05 PMDeaconMooreI'm reading a lot of assertion on your part, got any source material from SE for it? Because like I said, SE is the ones that make the gear and set the requirements, they are very aware of the differences and should be setting ilevels based on the NQ gear. If NQ gear is supposed to be just trash gear it shouldn't have stats on it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
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02-04-2018, 05:13 PMBacentIt's the fact that you can have the 'proper ilvl', but not the 'proper output' for something. It's like back in 3.X when people were wearing other class accessories to fake their ilvl, then they did poorly because bards had tank gear and were missing About 300+ points of dex because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeaconMoore
And it's not the texbook meaning of cheating. It's like 'doing something that gets you into stuff you shouldn't be in with your stats, but are anyways'. The ilvl should be different for NQ and HQ of the same item honestly. -
02-04-2018, 05:26 PMVhailorProbably not. There are a lot of potential issues with that; sorting in the Marketboard, for example. What I'd rather see are additional restrictions placed on DF instances; one for average iLevel (fine), and one for minimum wDmg. That latter should be set at the level of HQ crafted gear / drops. It's simply too powerful of a stat to allow people to game the system...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
It doesn't matter where SE sets the iLevels, nor does it matter what content is balanced around. If literally every other item meeting iLevel requirement is significantly superior to what you're using, you are, in effect, cheating the system, in spirit if nothing else. Even if it's enough to make it through the content, it's disrespectful to those who are grouping with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeaconMoore
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02-04-2018, 05:38 PMDeaconMooreo.0 The proper minimum output should be being achieved with the NQ gear that qualifies. HQ gear should just make your output even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacent
I don't think I've encountered any all class gear in SB (I could be wrong, I pay more attention to the actual stats than the line that says what can wear it unless I see red), we should be past the point of people wearing other classes stuff to get in. Really though, that's a different subject than NQ vs HQ.
I agree the higher stats should warrant a higher ilevel on HQ stuff. But SE did make the gear and reqs, it should be accounted for already.
Thanks for the giggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhailor
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02-04-2018, 11:40 PMFelisSay a dungeon with minimum ilevel 110 requirement and ilevel-synch to ilevel 120. I enter it with ilevel 110 equip, the other with ilevel 200 equip, that get synched down to ilevel 120. Would i cheat the system, because I don't wear ilevel 120 equip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhailor
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02-05-2018, 01:22 AMAriane
One of the main reasons to get crafted gear is to overmeld it. Simple fix would just be to just have NQ and HQ have the same stats and the only difference is HQ gets the overmeld slots. NQ crafted gear would just be equal to what you could get in instance drops, and people would still want HQ gear for the overmelding.
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02-05-2018, 01:23 AMUrthdiggerNo... but if you were wearing ilvl 110 crafting gear with no combat stats on it whatsoever then yes, you totally are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
Stats matter. Just because you CAN enter content with the gear you have on doesn't mean you should.