FYI: 3 stars aren't easier than Ala Mhigan

QUALITY
28,506 -> 25,881

DIFFICULTY
6,377 -> 3,548

10% less max quality sounds good, but it's crippled by 28 fewer steps of Maker's Mark. It's enough to make recipes almost require thought again.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

QUALITY
28,506 -> 25,881

DIFFICULTY
6,377 -> 3,548

10% less max quality sounds good, but it's crippled by 28 fewer steps of Maker's Mark. It's enough to make recipes almost require thought again.

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Maker's Mark is dead.

https://youtu.be/iYItcyv7gQ4?t=15s

In addition, we have 35 durability items rated at 2365 progress and 20335 quality.

ash10x already made a working macro for the 35 dur stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqhMB_amv2M. Its really not so bad

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Originally Posted by AniMage66

ash10x already made a working macro for the 35 dur stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqhMB_amv2M. Its really not so bad

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Requires 537 CP, uses 3x hasty touch and 2x CS2. Too much work for too little payout, I'll stick with my 0 quality macro, or come up with something more reasonable.

mfw when people are actually still using maker's mark

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

mfw when people are actually still using maker's mark

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An extra 30 steps on the final product and half-fasting the ingredients comes out faster and easier.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

An extra 30 steps on the final product and half-fasting the ingredients comes out faster and easier.

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yeah thats not how "faster" works

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

yeah thats not how "faster" works

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It's faster than spending an extra 60-70 steps HQing the ingredients, so yeah it is.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It's faster than spending an extra 60-70 steps HQing the ingredients, so yeah it is.

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There's already multiple 35\70 macros even on Day 1. But hey you do you if inefficiency's your thing.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

There's already multiple 35\70 macros even on Day 1. But hey you do you if inefficiency's your thing.

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It ultimately comes down to his stats and whether he's able to fit the entirety of the rotation into around 63 steps and achieve HQ from all NQ mats. If he's able to do that with minimum/low stats, then, yeah, he's being far more efficient than if he were to do it using Initial Preparation of Muscle Memory. Not that I'm a fan of it.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

There's already multiple 35\70 macros even on Day 1. But hey you do you if inefficiency's your thing.

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Where are you spotting these?

Maker's Mark was totally fine. The 35 durab stuff aren't too difficult.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

There's already multiple 35\70 macros even on Day 1. But hey you do you if inefficiency's your thing.

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Yes, and they each take at least 15 more steps than my half-fast 35 macro and are 50% HQ at best.

These new 3* items are a lot easier.

An Example

I can 100% HQ these 3* items with all NQ mats. 1525/1642(including seafood stew) are minimum requirements. Tested in game.

https://i.imgur.com/ISO1TIt.png

Actually impossible to 100% the ala mhigan stuff using all NQ mats (Excluding Maker's Mark):

https://i.imgur.com/X24fdhW.png
(This is with 4000 starting quality)

Well i find the 3 star much easier than the "hard" 2 star personally.

I managed quite a few HQ without any or very little HQ mats, whereas I would have not attempted such a thing with the hard2stars recipies without mama rotation

Maker's Mark isn't dead for me I'm afraid, as I haven't found an alternative to it for Ala Mhigan gear/materials. I also still find it useful on crafting 3-star 70 Dura gear, but I would like to find an alternative for that at least, it's just the rotations I have seen require more CP than I have (462) and I use Warrior Stew instead of CP food.

Also I still consider Ala Mhigan gear more difficult to craft than the new 3-star gear/materials just based on the difficulty/quality requirements mentioned above along with the steps required.

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Originally Posted by o0DVS0o

Maker's Mark isn't dead for me I'm afraid, as I haven't found an alternative to it for Ala Mhigan gear/materials. I also still find it useful on crafting 3-star 70 Dura gear, but I would like to find an alternative for that at least, it's just the rotations I have seen require more CP than I have (462) and I use Warrior Stew instead of CP food.

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3 Star Rotations designed for 462 base CP:

3 Star Specialist 70 Dura: https://i.imgur.com/7hsxDm7.jpg

3 Star Specalist 35 Dura: https://i.imgur.com/DJ8K2um.jpg

3 Star Non-Specialist 70 Dura: https://i.imgur.com/YmkZuZR.jpg

For 3 Star Non-Specialist 35 Dura Katlyna's rotation is ideal: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Lazy-Crafter

You'll probably need to adjust your food. A stack of HQ Tempura Platter comes in very handy for SB crafting.
Hope that helps :)

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Originally Posted by o0DVS0o

Maker's Mark isn't dead for me I'm afraid, as I haven't found an alternative to it for Ala Mhigan gear/materials. I also still find it useful on crafting 3-star 70 Dura gear, but I would like to find an alternative for that at least, it's just the rotations I have seen require more CP than I have (462) and I use Warrior Stew instead of CP food.

Also I still consider Ala Mhigan gear more difficult to craft than the new 3-star gear/materials just based on the difficulty/quality requirements mentioned above along with the steps required.

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I still use MaMa for Ala Mhigan gear still as well. I could use a two button macro for it, but the starting quality requirements are high enough I would have to HQ the threads/snailoil, and instead I NQ all of those. So a Mama rotation with more quality actually saves time.

As Liam mentioned there are a number of rotations which you could probably fit in with 462 CP. The ones he posted all look great. You can use any of my rotations if you use HQ food to make up for the CP you are missing (plus or minus a potion for any missing stats).