is there any reason to use "spinning slash" combo on drk?

It does less damage than the syphon strike+souleater, it doesnt heal us, doesnt give us any MP, it doesnt really benefit a lot from dark arts.
The enimity thing doesnt look so good, it just seems useless since we could use Unleash once and everything around is already taunted for the cost of some MP.

Does the enimity from that combo counts for just one minion or for everything around me? I found myself not using it at all, and still being able to keep enimity even with the teams way stronger than myself.

I ask because i want to get rid of it and use these 2 buttons for something else, making it easier for me (im on ps4).

Besides being the second step for combo of 3 that is needed for more enmity....(power slash) hmmm yes you do. I know on ps4 it seems like a waste, however yes you do need it.

I literally use it one time in grit at the start of a raid fight in my static with dark arts to build hate (no ninja) then don't use it again at all the rest of the fight unless grabbing hate on something or its a hate emergency for whatever reason (DPS forgets to pop diversion, didn't use lucid, forgot to shirk etc...). Sometimes as offtank I will precombo up to power slash for it to be ready to dark arts+powerslash the add when it appears and never go into grit.

I can't see a reason you would need to remove it yet, our current skill allotment is the lowest between the tanks. You can also use a L+R half a hotbar if playing with controller.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Besides being the second step for combo of 3 that is needed for more enmity....(power slash) hmmm yes you do. I know on ps4 it seems like a waste, however yes you do need it.

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I wrote it wrong sorry.
I meant, the whole combo, spinning slash and power slash together, i cant find using it myself like at all, seems like i could just get rid of them completely. Its easy enough to control enmity with the unleash, i was trying to use that combo outside of the grit stance, but it was super weak to generate the enmity anyway.
Cant see the point of that combo.

I only use it when a lot of enemity is needed (pull, aggro reset with whm in o4s, etc ...)

Other than in synced (leveling) dungeons where PS combo is stronger than just HS->SS without SE, and your initial pull, there should be no other use for it.

Except you have SAM/MNK (or any other high dmg dealing DPS) that don't use diversion frequently, and an OT that doesn't shirk you.
'Call me the power slash DRK!'

Yeah, the combo is a waste, just like any other enmity combo for tanks in lvl 60+ content.

Use it to start off a boss fight or tough single target, or in any dungeon where you sync out of unleash or soul eater, but its not as needed when higher lvls.

Always use Dark Arts with it, you wont lose hate the rest of battle. I could see poppin it at start with grit so you can then go out of grit and go full dps and still keep hate,

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I wrote it wrong sorry.
I meant, the whole combo, spinning slash and power slash together, i cant find using it myself like at all, seems like i could just get rid of them completely. Its easy enough to control enmity with the unleash, i was trying to use that combo outside of the grit stance, but it was super weak to generate the enmity anyway.
Cant see the point of that combo.

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While DRK may seem repetitive their are times where that combo is needed. Mainly on raids or if people are about the same ilevel gear wise and actually know their job well. Normally I find my self over powering enmity just with abyssal drain, only use Power slash combo if my group has decent dps and my enmity is taken faster than normal. It's rare that I have enmity problems, however there are some players that actually know their job very well and force me to use power slash with dark arts.

You don’t want to use it but you may have to.

I take it you’re new so you’re probably in grit full time. If so, you will never need the power slash combo, but you’ll be doing a lot less damage than you could be. If you’re out of grit the dps might start nipping at your heels on enmity, it’s in these situations you’ll want to power slash to give yourself an enmity lead without going back into grit.

As to your question on how it works. It generates enmity 5.5x the damage you deal to the target (more with dark arts). So if a dps does 100 damage with a skill they generate 100 enmity, if you deal 100 damage with power slash you generate 550(without dark arts) enmity. And it’s only on the target you hit. If you want enmity on all targets you need to use a skill that hits all of them like unleash or abyssal drain.

SE in their infinite wisdom decided that we don’t need to know the multipliers attached to enmity generating skills so if you want to know the different modifiers for your enmity generating skills you can find them here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity

I also use a controller and I keep my enmity combo on my extended crossbar so I have it there if I need it but in most cases you shouldn't need it often especially if your in your defensive stance a lot.

Your emnity combo is absolutely necessary, although you won't use it nearly as much as your Soul Eater combo.

In dungeon pulls, you will likely not be using it since you will be relying on your AoE enmity generators such as Unleashed or preferably Abyssal Drain since you are dealing with and maintaining agro on multiple enemies.

Your emnity combo will mainly see usage when starting boss fights or maybe if you need to pick up and establish strong agro on an add that pops during a boss fight when you are the off-tank.

Basically you will normally want to get off at least one emnity combo when starting a boss fight, two if you want to be extra careful or are dropping Grit after establishing initial agro or you could use a DA Powerslash combo if you don't want to spend the extra time with two full combos or want to try starting off the fight out of Grit.

Also if you notice that some of your party members are getting close to overtaking your agro lead on the boss you will probably want to cycle in an emnity combo to regain your lead.

Basically you should not be using Unleash or Abyssal Drain for establishing agro on single targets like bosses (same goes for PLD and Flash, etc), use your agro combo as it will generate more agro and do more damage to that single target.

2x cross-hotbars is enough for most jobs to fit all job actions and role actions. Recommended to keep all your actions set to hotbars and get used to switching bars during battle.

You'll probably have situations eventually where the enmity from power slash combo is needed at least occasionally. Good point though how enmity combos that don't do anything else isn't very exciting design. It would be interesting to see a tank job that isn't structured that way.

Your enmity combo is an MP free hate generation tool. Keep that in mind OP, when gauging its usefulness. Another way to look at it is your tool to lock down hate. Once it's executed on a mob, especially with grit + dark arts, you're not losing that mob ever.

I assure you, the situations where it is more optimal to use your aggro combo will present themselves the more you tank.

If you're going to skimp out on using Spinning Slash, then you'd be force to burn Dark Arts on Power Slash, and that's a wasted Dark Arts as far as I'm concerned. Don't skip spinning slash in your aggro combo.

Spinning slash + Power slash combo is near mandatory if you intend to hold hate on bosses, whether they're in dungeons or primals/raids.

Unleash does generate a nice bit of enmity for crowd control, but without the power slash combo, you will lose aggro ultra fast against any dps that knows what they're doing if you attempt to rely on unleash and unmend for enmity on single target. Not to mention using unleash for enmity on a single target, or spamming unmend for aggro would be a gargantuan dps loss.

I also play on controller, and I've never needed to worry about space on any job. Stick the power slash combo on a second hotbar or the extended/expanded hotbars, as you'll be making your tanking life harder without it if you come across any dps that even remotely knows what they're doing, or a healer that likes to aoe nuke heal.

Spinning + Power (2 GCD) will give you much more single target enmity than 2x Unleash and without using mana. They will also do more damage.

I only do it once or twice on pull and that it.
In case I do à boss with adds like os3 I try to prepare the last step with DA to get a strong lead on aggro on the white wisp.
But yeah beside pull its not super useful, I play on ps4 and it's on a double L2 cross with other things I rarely click (grit, sol survivor for instance)

Power slash is a great combo for what it is. There is absolutely no wind up and it's a huge dose of aggro in one shot. If your co-tank is a PLD, it is far far far more preferable for you to pull first and only spend a combo in grit. If you use Dark Arts, you're ensuring a huge lead to comfortably dps outside of grit.

It is ideal for WAR to pull first, but only under certain conditions like with a NIN. Otherwise your WAR might be looking at having to use unchained, and even then spend a whole combo before reaching butcher's block, and that's very much felt in areas like the start of o4s, where healers can rip aggro before aero 3 casts.

However, DRK has no need to set up prior buffs, has nothing to lose except a combo, and makes life easy. This isn't to say that DRK pulling first is the way, but that it's never a terrible idea for DRK to pull first BECAUSE of how potent and DA PS is to do its job.