Do you think certain Party Finder listings should be filtered in some way?

I read over a certain reddit link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...out_this_real/

Do you think these these "sale" over discord party listings should be filtered in some way?

It wasn't an issue before in any point before, even throughout most of Stormblood.

But lately, it started appearing more often in roulette categories just to be first in line of being shown.

Maybe crack down on people trying to "Sell" content. I mean some of these things they're trying to sell they have no way of guaranteeing a clear since its stuff which requires the entire team to be on the ball.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Maybe crack down on people trying to "Sell" content. I mean some of these things they're trying to sell they have no way of guaranteeing a clear since its stuff which requires the entire team to be on the ball.

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I'd assume it works just like some other games where you give your account to them and receive it back once the job is done. Nothing I'd ever do/suggest to anyone though.

At the very least, what needs to be a thing is PF blacklist. We can sort whether or not SE is addressing this issue later.

The problem is SE decided ages ago after the launch of Coil that selling clears with Gil or other things available within the game is fine.

The argument is that it's no different than me asking a crafter for a specific peice of gear and paying them for it, or getting my DPS buddy a short queue by going with them as a healer, and then having them do the same for me. It's something of value in the game traded for something of value in the game.

Buying a clear, then having the party take the money and run, however, IS reportable.


It's only really muddy now since PF allows cross-server parties, and you can't currently trade or mail across servers.

So, SE needs to update their stance on selling clears for clarity's sake.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

I'd assume it works just like some other games where you give your account to them and receive it back once the job is done. Nothing I'd ever do/suggest to anyone though.

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Oh, no no. You actually go in and just outright get a full carry.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

I'd assume it works just like some other games where you give your account to them and receive it back once the job is done. Nothing I'd ever do/suggest to anyone though.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Oh, no no. You actually go in and just outright get a full carry.

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Depending on the content, Sillica is correct. Ultimate, for instance, will always be piloted. The going rate is $1,000-1,200. Everything else can be 7-manned, though I do not doubt for a second real money transactions happen there too.

I strongly support the idea of a filter for this type of in-game advertising. SE could simply add an additional ad. tab to the PF'er, and make any ads. put up outside of that tab reportable. In addition to cutting down on clutter, I think it would be a great way for them to encourage the use of an in-game tool for more abstract group-promotion (searching for statics, static members, selling clears/crafting/etc., role-playing). So it wouldn't have to be strictly punitive.

Failing that, I think a PF-blacklist would do the trick. I'd happily blacklist content sellers, even if it had the side effect of omitting any other party the blacklisted individual might make.

You can already filter the PF list.

A better approach would either be to have your filters preserved through logouts and such (Meaning you could filter out duties or simply dial in on the categories that interest you and leave it at that), or imho the better approach which is simply the ability to /blist PFs.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Depending on the content, Sillica is correct. Ultimate, for instance, will always be piloted. The going rate is $1,000-1,200. Everything else can be 7-manned, though I do not doubt for a second real money transactions happen there too.

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A THOUSAND DOLLARS?!! It's a game!!

Holy smokes SE needs to do something soon because it was more prevalent, but never that.... exploitative!

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

You can already filter the PF list.

A better approach would either be to have your filters preserved through logouts and such (Meaning you could filter out duties or simply dial in on the categories that interest you and leave it at that), or imho the better approach which is simply the ability to /blist PFs.

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And pray do tell me how to do so to filter the PF so I can see the legit roulette listings, but not see the completely unrelated content selling shenanigans since 4.1 in the roulette part of the party finder. I do help people in roulette party finders from time to time.

Crap. I just made a thread about this. I'm pushing for a 'Report' option, because people are using main tags so that their ads show up in the top in Standard View. I have nothing against people advertising that kind of stuff, but it should be in the 'Private' PFs and not at the top of my list when I'm looking for a party to do my dailies with. It's annoying.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Depending on the content, Sillica is correct. Ultimate, for instance, will always be piloted. The going rate is $1,000-1,200. Everything else can be 7-manned, though I do not doubt for a second real money transactions happen there too.

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Never thought I'd be questioning people's life choices when it comes to a game.



Until today.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

A THOUSAND DOLLARS?!! It's a game!!

Holy smokes SE needs to do something soon because it was more prevalent, but never that.... exploitative!

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Yep. Groups sell Ultimate for $1,200 USD, and divide it by 8 for the static/group that is clearing for the buyer.

It was easy enough before to ignore the rogue party here and there, but the amount of PFs that have appeared as of late is ridiculous, and quite frankly, a tad annoying. Unfortunately, without an active moderator for the PF, not much can be done about them. :/

https://imgur.com/a/aDYrT

The most confusing thing about all of this to me is that this isn't even a p2w game. I would rather sink that much money into some thrash korean f2p game than this game. Or buy myself some games on steam or some PS4 games.


1000 bucks for a title and a 345 shiny weap?

I dun

I cant

I just

Idk

I'm sorry lol

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

A THOUSAND DOLLARS?!! It's a game!!

Holy smokes SE needs to do something soon because it was more prevalent, but never that.... exploitative!

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Well, it's a one-of-a-kind achievement/title for content that they're probably going to 'difficulty lock' as is. And as is, only a couple hundred people or so are realistically capable of beating it.

Supply and demand, your options are either get good, shell out the money, or just not get the title. Exclusivity is an expensive luxury people have paid far more ludicrous sums of cash for.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

And pray do tell me how to do so to filter the PF so I can see the legit roulette listings, but not see the completely unrelated content selling shenanigans since 4.1 in the roulette part of the party finder. I do help people in roulette party finders from time to time.

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Once you're done getting wound up about it, the filter button is in the top right hand corner. But you already knew that.

*edit* in all seriousness, I'm pretty sure it is actually dooable with the existing filters, if you've not figured it out by the time I'm back from work. I'll post up a couple of examples.

I just find it a little annoying. It's not really something I take issue with, if they are just "selling runs" (i.e. you pay them x gil and in return they stick around and help you get whatever clear). It's just annoying when I'm trying to get into 50/60 roulette on my BRD, for example, and I see a healer in the PF looking for a 50/60 party only to realize it's a run seller. :(

In all honesty there should not be any selling ads on the data centre tab - they should be limited to the world tab as you can only trade with those from your world. So I would guess that those on the data centre tab are getting money out of the game and surely that should be treated by SE the same way as RMT sellers? I may be naive but its selling game content for real world money - no different in my mind than selling gil for real worl money.

I've seen plenty of people use pf, wanting to do only their own server, yet end up going cross-server without knowing.

I haven't used Party Finder much at all, and certainly not recently....
But after reading through this thread and on reddit...


I can understand how massively annoying it would be to have so many people advertising for content that they have no intention of running.
It just looks like it's cluttering up the system for those who want to use it properly...

It's Spam.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

. The going rate is $1,000-1,200.

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USD??

LMAO sorry but if people are seriously payin $1200 for a content clear that's just mental they should be locked up in an asylum.

But I guess if people have that kind of attitude towards money it explain why debt is such a big problem these days.

But still $1,200 LMAO.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

And pray do tell me how to do so to filter the PF so I can see the legit roulette listings, but not see the completely unrelated content selling shenanigans since 4.1 in the roulette part of the party finder. I do help people in roulette party finders from time to time.

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So as promised (and since you asked so nicely :rolleyes:), here's a few tips:

Open Party Finder
Click the filters button (top right, under private, it's the leftmost of the circular buttons).
Uncheck the following options: Objective: None, Objective: Loot
Click Confirm

That filters out all of the sales PFs on Chaos right now, it'll also remove correctly tagged farm runs but you're more interested in helping people in roulettes right?

It's not perfect, but it's not far off the mark and it does the trick for a good portion of the sales spam if it really triggers you that much.

As I mentioned in the first place, we are far better off asking for the ability to blacklist within the PF. That'd do a much better job than any filters we are reasonably likely to get.