Criticism

There was a time that each of us used to be new players to this game, we know for sure that some of us had the misfortune to suffer our errors as first timers and then be criticized for our mistakes. But my question is how do you used to take criticism in the past and also how do you take criticism till this day? I used to get criticized as a newcomer in the past very frequently enough to feel sad and hurt, luckily i'm the very stubborn type of not giving up easily and willing to keep going without stopping until all the way to morning if i keep losing, its like dark souls, some people will either keep going and not willing to give up because they are way too determined for the goal of winning or they will give up and stop trying and even stop bothering of not willing to learn their mistakes and get better the next time and rather go hollow. Over the time i manage to get the experience and tolerance to tolerate that kind of criticism and even harassment enough to let it go and keep going forward. So i'm curious of how some of you used to take the criticism in the past from other players and also till this day too. So lets talk about this kind of experience when we used to be new players. (sorry for the edits i type way too fast enough not to see some errors)

I play on a JP server so I'll never know if someone criticizes me :)

Same way I do in real life: I take a moment to ponder if what the person is saying has merit, review it and then thank the person for the info. If I can apply what the person has told me to do right away I will. If not, I'll just inform the person its gonna take me a bit of time to get used to it.

This is all assuming the criticsm is spoken at the very least in a neutral way. I'm not dependent on politeness. I just want civility.

I outright ask for it and so long as it's constructive I'm more than happy to receive it. When I'm not playing a class optimally I'll either seek out a guide or someone I know who can play it much better and ask for their help. If I'm terrible, I beg them to tell me so I can find out where to improve. This hasn't changed since I started playing and I doubt it will going forward. Constructive criticism is only harmful if you're too rigid to receive it- and no matter who 'good' you might now consider yourself to be you should still appreciate that someone took the time to actually care enough to try and provide help. Even if you find it not in the least bit useful, it's rare for people to actually try and offer aid when most players are generally too apathetic to care.

All that said however, don't be a dick when dishing out said criticism. If you can't be kind and concise, then at least avoid devolving into petty insults whilst remaining civil. There's no faster way to ensure your advice remains unheeded than by resorting to name calling or a derogatory tone.

I'm very skilled in ignoring it.

I simply don't care /don't listen to it ;)

All that said however, don't be a dick when dishing out said criticism. If you can't be kind and concise, then at least avoid devolving into petty insults whilst remaining civil. There's no faster way to ensure your advice remains unheeded than by resorting to name calling or a derogatory tone.[/QUOTE]

I know some criticism can be constructive as you say which is so true on that because you can pretty much learn but there are also the type of negative critics that sadly discourage some people in general enough not to be motivated on whatever they are working on. Sorry i should be specific with the tittle but i hope you understand the point of this topic.

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Originally Posted by DawnSeeker

I know some criticism can be constructive as you say which is so true on that because you can pretty much learn but there are also the type of negative critics that sadly discourage some people in general enough not to be motivated on whatever they are working on. Sorry i should be specific with the tittle but i hope you understand the point of this topic.

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I do understand the point...? It's why I added the second part to begin with. You asked us for our stances on the matter, I provided mine and made sure to clarify the difference between constructive and nonconstructive criticism and why the latter won't get people anywhere. Not entirely sure what else I should be saying? If you could clarify more it'd be appreciated. Do you want us to discuss only negative criticism?

As far as criticism goes if you're being an a-hole about it no matter what you're saying or how constructive it might be then you're still an a-hole and can get royally f***ed. If not then i'll take what they're saying under consideration, thank them, and work on it.

(To Enla) Ah no sorry you did explaining too well, sorry i tend to read way too fast and miss some details. But still you give good answer now that i read it slowly and clearly.

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Originally Posted by DawnSeeker

(To Enla) Ah no sorry you did explaining too well, sorry i tend to read way too fast and miss some details. But still you give good answer now that i read it slowly and clearly.

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You're fine! Don't worry about it at all, I'm just trying to understand. ^_^

I was a pretty defensive tank, when I had first started. I remember I'd number every single monster, and I'd get all pissy if someone killed them out of order.
That was three years ago!

It took me learning that:

1- Spreading DoTs is a (good) thing;
2- AoEs exist;
3- Not everyone likes having their hand held.

Though, in retrospect, really anyone who followed my kill order was holding my hand. Looking back now, I don't know why I had issues holding aggro.


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In response to the OP, well... The friends I had were either bad players or they were afraid to be mean by telling me what I was doing wrong - so I had to learn from the unhappy parties I had when they'd get angry.
In short, I wish my friends would have just told me earlier rather than thinking I was in blissful ignorance.

Its been the same since the past until today for me.

Constructive criticisms are most welcomed even though sometimes it may not come in a "nice" way.

Destructive criticisms on the other hand such as 'gitgud' but with no details on what I messed up/did wrong/could do better will be ignored.

agree with @PuppytimusLeoroccanz
like iRL, I believe I take criticism well. I don't mind being criticized, I like to be told what I did wrong so I can do something about it. but I'm very argumentative when I know I'm right, esp when I have receipts :P you can't talk me down with trash talk, I've argued with a handful of difficult people in work and my personal circles in two languages, it doesn't shake me when I'm sure you're just being an ass.
when going into dungeons for the first time I always let people know I'm new, and any advice is welcome. I apologize when I know I made a mistake, but I don't dwell on it nor do I argue back when a party member tells me what I should do. however, I do ask questions, because what others are telling me might be different from what I understand. I value communication in game as much as iRL.
that said, if I know I'm having a bad day, I don't do roulette, I make sure to play with friends :)

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

This is all assuming the criticsm is spoken at the very least in a neutral way. I'm not dependent on politeness. I just want civility.

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This....This right here. criticism can be helpful as long as it's said right. If s person says to me "Hey! I see you're doing this, it might be better if you do things like this instead" Then yes I'll be more willing to listen and try what the person is saying to see for myself if it is indeed better. If the persons criticism comes in the flavor of wall of insults,curses and "plz uninstall and kys", etc then their existence will be ignored.

If the information comes up at the start of the group/raid that there are new people to the instance, the first thing I do is ask if anyone needs help with the boss tactics or stages in between.
I'd much rather take the time to give preemptive help rather than reactive criticism.

you can never improve if you dont know you need improving.

If im doing badly and i dont realize i actually am doing badly, id prefer a friend to speak up and tell me i need to change something about what im doing, otherwise id keep doing exactly what is wrong, because i think its right.


Obviously dont walk up to someone and say they are shit and should uninstall. I take criticism very well and encourage anyone to speak up about it

When people criticize me I just say things like "I'm RPing as an ice mage" or "But I never run out of MP when I cast Blizzards." Then there is the old standby "You don't pay my sub." Then when they bring it up again I call them an elitist and threaten to call GMs for harassment.

Seriously though, I don't typically get criticism but when I try to help people I usually get no response and the person continues doing whatever they were doing.

Just call their mothers if they criticize you.
How dare them dur derp.

I used to play on JP data center and i learned how to gid gud before I transferred so no one dares criticise me! /s
Nah but I'll usually take most criticism to heart, even if people are being mean-spirited about it. I do get a bit annoyed when other people make basic mistakes so I can see where they're coming from and I'll usually try to practice and look online for more information on what I'm doing wrong.
Of course there are times when I know the other person is full of crap so at that point I just get petty and decide to point out all of THEIR mistakes :D

If I'm fortune enough to have someone constructively criticise something I'm doing wrong then preps to them, I'll thank them for it and attempt to improve for future means. Sometimes a sledgehammer is necessary to ensure people improve, or to drill it in their minds. So to speak

But there's a very big distinction between constructively criticising someone with a 'sledgehammer' and someone just being spiteful, unhelpful and/or petty about it. The latter I feel most inclined to ignore and dismiss whatever they say on the matter until they're willing to be constructive about it. If someone is willing to confront or call someone out on an issue then they should either explain the matter briefly, or point to a relevant or recommended resource.

I have always treated criticism as such, and will always remain to treat it in the same way. The only real example I can provide is when I was still relatively new I was running Aetherochemical Research Facility or Fractal, I never really used to spread DoTs on my Summoner, someone called me out on it and suggest I use Bane when necessary. Thanked them for it, got on with my business and following the experience I aimed to use it whenever it was appropriate. Or even earlier when I ran my first dungeon I was called out and told to stop using tank-type Pet. This scenario was me just being entirely new to any role based games, and practically a real MMO so was still coming to terms with everything and adjusting.

*insert obligatory 'U DNT PAY MY SUB!!1' response here*

But honestly I feel like I take the rare tidbits of valuable criticism I get ingame pretty seriously considering how rare they are. I'm not amazing but I'm also not god awful so I tend to pass under this radar more often than not, especially on healer.

I've learned so much more from people on the forums/discord than I ever have in-game it doesn't even compare.

I have seen some people throw out what they might believe to be helpful advice in-game but it's usually actually rather poor. I Cure III'd stack markers in Shinryu normal once and had my cohealer tell me to use Medica instead... Silly stuff like that makes me wonder how seriously I should really be taking those things.

Just surround yourself with good people/players. FC, friends from real life, and take advice that's given to you. There is always someone happy enough to show you how to play, or tell you what you do wrong in a kind way. I always give instructions when I see a new player, and if they do something stupid I will let them know how they could fix it. If they are stubborn enough to not listen, then they are harming themselves.

Likewise, the person who is mean while communicating about errors of others is hurting themselves the most by acting like a moron.

Tbh, I have never been criticized in game. Ever. I'm not even joking. Probably because I don't really talk to people, play in fcs or do Savage. In reality, I am my worst critic (I am a 3D artist so ofc I am :P ). I did plan on doing Savage (I had beat O1S once) but on one party finder I put together for O1S we just could never beat the enrage timer. Obviously something was wrong so I went ahead and attempted SSS with RDM and discovered that I just could not beat the timer on that dummy for O1S. I was pretty discouraged so I went ahead and asked for advice here on what I was doing wrong, even recorded a video and posted on YouTube just for the sole reason of taking criticism. While all the advice and criticism was nice and helpful, I still sucked and never did improve so I stopped playing RDM and now play WHM. I still don't get criticized, even if I make a mistake, but my playing as WHM I feel fits me better than RDM ever did.

But uhm TL;DR, I take criticism, sometimes crave it because I'm a 3D artist, its my job to take it lol. I will listen, if its good criticism I take it to heart. If its bad or not constructive at all or its rude just to incite drama, I ignore it and tell the other person to piss off. :P

Not many people can take criticism well and even fewer can dish it out in a productive and measured way.

It just kind of snowballs from there really.

Personally, I've always been of the mentality that if one person states I'm doing something stupid, I'll look into it and see if I can adjust to keep things smooth, but I'll not likely care enough to take it to heart. If multiple people say the same thing, then it's increasingly likely that they have a legitimate point and I need to address what it is that I'm doing wrong.

Can you take criticism of paragraph usage? Or lack of?

I beat myself up over my mistakes and take it pretty hard. Tho in this game most of what I think are mistakes people are like shocked and tell me it's fine. I had one person hug me when I was trying to tank and I lost arggo on one mob. I spamed unleased like a million times in panic and they lol. I do tend to ask if I'm doing stuff good bad etc.

I'm my own worst critic, so any criticism I get from my static I take pretty well. The idea of completely tuning out or ignoring criticism is mind boggling to me.

Its all about how one gives/receives criticism. When it comes to online stuff, I have noticed that people tend to prefer to treat others with condescension and not respect. If someone comes to me and gives me feedback (even better if they give tips aswell) in a respectful manner, then I will be open to receiving their feedback, because I understand that they want to see me improve, which inturn means my team improves aswell. Sadly alot of people prefer to call someone *swear word* and demean them.

As for me, I used to deal low damage, I was new and not used to DPS classes (I prefer healing), so my friend who noticed it, asked me to meet near one of those dummies and gave me feedback in mature manner, like how a teacher gives feedback to a student. Part of me felt bad, because I sucked at doing my job in the group, but this friend gave me a nice pep talk, then he gave me tips. I took his feedback and improved myself. I reckon if my friend came to me and demeaned me and then gave me tips, I would probably not followed his advice.

Afcourse there are those that wont accept the feedback, even if the sender gives feedback in a respectful manner, with those players nothing else can be done, you either kick them out or ignore and deal with it.