[Dev ????] - Put mining/fishing/logging nodes on mini map

Just as topic suggests, I like the off hand nodes appearing on the mini map but all too often as I run around looking for nodes (mostly by bloodshore) the sparkles on the trees become hidden by the brush in front of them and I pass them by. This leads to a bit more time running around looking for the node as I spam my arbor call wondering where is this thing. Simply adding logging/mining/fishing nodes to the minimap would go a long way in less wasted time and more gathering.

Two concerns that might be raised include : too much clutter on minimap. No problem, just add a filter to the mini map to remove different points. This can be put off till 2.0. Another concern would be arbor call(and other like abilities) loosing their usefulness. To this I say the minimap only shows nodes within 40~ or so yalms so those abilities still hold great value when you're far away.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

Just as topic suggests, I like the off hand nodes appearing on the mini map but all too often as I run around looking for nodes (mostly by bloodshore) the sparkles on the trees become hidden by the brush in front of them and I pass them by. This leads to a bit more time running around looking for the node as I spam my arbor call wondering where is this thing. Simply adding logging/mining/fishing nodes to the minimap would go a long way in less wasted time and more gathering.
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Both primary and secondary gathering nodes are tab-selectable. When you're less than a few dozen yalms from the node, hit tab a few times (or right/left D-pad if you're using a controller) to get the node selected, with a nice big cursor on it. You can even proceed to start collection by then hitting enter/confirm if you're only a yalm or two away.

I will not sign this, as I feel it will make gathering way too easy, even more easy for people with gathering classes lower than that of the search ability. People are already going to areas which I would call too high for them, don't make it easier.

Lower classes going to a grade too early really isn't an issue. If you level isn't high enough and your gathering stat too low you'll never be able to obtain what you're after at that node anyway until you rank up. Prime example was doing electrum ore at 25 last week at wells. I rarely was able to get a swing at electurm and when I was 70% of the time I damaged it and was unable to obtain it. Even doing cobalt ore at rank 31 in cedarwood is pretty fruitless. Tie in the fact that if you're boosting gathering you probably have no output and maybe get 3-4 attempts at a node. Personally I move to the next grade up 8 ranks before I get that ability. There's no way I'm going to grind an area getting less than 200 xp per swing.

As for being able to target the ??? while running around, I do find that useful but all too often (at least for botany) I find a harvest point next to a logging point and end up getting confused/running past/etc because I thought that was just a harvest point. For mining half the time I can't target the ??? because it's on the other side of a small cliff or ledge which for whatever reason is untargetable unless I'm in front of it.

Duno, was just a suggestion. I figured if you're within 40 yalms of a node it should pop on your map. Would just make gathering a bit easier/less tedious.

No. Please no.
It's not hard finding the nodes if you are the right rank to be there.
I do wish that some nodes were not so far apart. coughhalitalicough
The thing I hate the most is when n00bs are in an area way above them to get 500exp for a fail and they collapse my node just when hand of the gods procs.
So again no.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

No. Please no.
It's not hard finding the nodes if you are the right rank to be there.
I do wish that some nodes were not so far apart. coughhalitalicough
The thing I hate the most is when n00bs are in an area way above them to get 500exp for a fail and they collapse my node just when hand of the gods procs.
So again no.

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I am of the same opinion as AmandaHuggenkiss.
The only way regular nodes could appear on the minimap would be through the use of the scouting skill like Arbor Call. The last node Arbor Call points to could appear on the minimap, but that's about it.

They put the secondary nodes on the mini-map because we don't have abilities to look for them, if we had abilities, I would ask for their removal of the mini-map.

Agreed with Nakiamiie, only the one you scouted last should appear on the minimap, this help your purpose Crstycaptin and solve the "too much icones on the mini map" problem.

I think it isn't good idea, since most than gathering will be not fun at all! ))

I actually like that arbor call > icon on map for that location idea. Would help locate the nodes in new areas but only help those that have the ability so as not to upset the rest of the higher levels.

"Lay of the Arbor Douse" -> mini map is a good idea.

The amount of nodes (how many triangulate can find) and level of nodes display should be based on level:

in the right zone for your level
-passive 15 yalm auto display of nodes (shows on minimap, no ability)
-when using the arbor like ability shows a general circle (like leve's) on the map, and minimap (when close enough)
-triangulate adds more description like "you sense 2 trees near, 3 far" (or some display on the minimap of near and far, and the direction (west,east,north,south), NOT location just a number on the west edge of the minimap with 3 or 2 in green, 1 in red showing the distance (2,1)) - the markers disappear at cooldown reset.


in a place higher then you:
-passive 1-2 yalms away (basically if your on top of it you should already see it, but it'll show on the minimap anyway)
- none of your abilities detect these higher items (you can only detect what is appropriate for your level)

in a place lower then you:
- passive 100 yalms
- smaller circles for arbor (better general area)
- triangulate can use sub directions like "north-west".

This can be scaled, doesn't have to be constant values:

I'm level 10, in a grade 2 area, just "ready" for that area of trees
my passive detection is only 9 yalms, say at level 15 my passive is 15 yalms, and slowly increase till maximum yalms- as the power of abilities compares to grades available at location.
The arbor scales with the size of circle and distance.
Triangulate by distance and number of nodes and if it will display sub directions or not.


Also please remove the I II III levels of abilities, if there are many grade levels in an area detect them all and just inform the player which grades are which direction (only one arbor ability, update its tooltip for what grades it can detect).

Just like mage's and their spells- base the power of the spell on level.

level 1 - 9, grade 1
level 10-19 grade 1, grade 2
so on and so forth

The only issues that I am having is when it tells you its at 40 yalms but its behind a wall and the entrance is 200 yalms back the way you came.
I agree with one post here about lower levels crashing the nodes so I am against SE showing them on a map. What I would like to see instead is customized map markers.

If they let you do your own markers you pin them all and you know where to go.

I have been asking for map markers for a crap load of time. Why something so basic has not been implemented yet, beats me.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

No. Please no.
It's not hard finding the nodes if you are the right rank to be there.
I do wish that some nodes were not so far apart. coughhalitalicough
The thing I hate the most is when n00bs are in an area way above them to get 500exp for a fail and they collapse my node just when hand of the gods procs.
So again no.

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IMO there's a much easier and more logical solution to the problem than "make it harder for them to find nodes"

Just make it so that if you're not a high enough rank for that grade, you *CANT* mine it (like every other MMO out there). Give an error message stating that you're "not skilled enough to mine at this location" or something until you're the proper level. For example, with grade 4 nodes you cannot mine them at all until level 25, at 25 you should learn Lay of the land (the one that gives general NSEW direction) for grade 4 nodes and be able to mine them with 4-5 swings, and have access to leves for them like you do now. At 28 you get Prospect (the one that points you directly to the node) as well as a "normal" success rate on the nodes. And then maybe at 32-33 you should get access to a third harvesting level for grade 4 since the exp tapers off considerably but you still do not have access to G5 until 35, just to give a little bit of an exp boost without constantly running back to town for more leves.

I think the fact that a level 1 can mine a grade 5 node is the real gamebreaking problem here, not whether or not nodes are displayed locally on the minimap.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but I was under the impression that all harvesting nodes were generated on a per-character basis, and that other characters do not interact with your nodes in any way, shape, or form (which is why node respawns are based on either time or you interacting with two other nodes). I'm not sure how some lowbie can be tapping out "your" node if they aren't even hitting the same node as you.

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Originally Posted by Lerend

IMO there's a much easier and more logical solution to the problem than "make it harder for them to find nodes"

Just make it so that if you're not a high enough rank for that grade, you *CANT* mine it (like every other MMO out there). Give an error message stating that you're "not skilled enough to mine at this location" or something until you're the proper level. For example, with grade 4 nodes you cannot mine them at all until level 25, at 25 you should learn Lay of the land (the one that gives general NSEW direction) for grade 4 nodes and be able to mine them with 4-5 swings, and have access to leves for them like you do now. At 28 you get Prospect (the one that points you directly to the node) as well as a "normal" success rate on the nodes. And then maybe at 32-33 you should get access to a third harvesting level for grade 4 since the exp tapers off considerably but you still do not have access to G5 until 35, just to give a little bit of an exp boost without constantly running back to town for more leves.

I think the fact that a level 1 can mine a grade 5 node is the real gamebreaking problem here, not whether or not nodes are displayed locally on the minimap.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but I was under the impression that all harvesting nodes were generated on a per-character basis, and that other characters do not interact with your nodes in any way, shape, or form (which is why node respawns are based on either time or you interacting with two other nodes). I'm not sure how some lowbie can be tapping out "your" node if they aren't even hitting the same node as you.

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completely agree with you, and i wish they would do this, it would make leveling some worth.