Assuming this person wasn't joking... How long has this real money for gear stuff been going on? Should SE reconsider its stance on the PF sellers since there is a possibility of this? Are they even aware of it? I'll with hold my opinion for now, curious as to other peoples thoughts.
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Paying real money to PF sellers... Really?
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01-01-2018, 03:52 AMMycow8mePaying real money to PF sellers... Really?
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01-01-2018, 03:56 AMAstraplsYep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mycow8me
There's a group on Gilgamesh that sells runs for real money. One of the sellers even stupidly talked about it casually in her stream.
Spending real money to have someone else level or get gear for you has been a thing for years, though. So SE is absolutely aware of it. -
01-01-2018, 03:59 AMDeaconMoore
That'd be RMT if true. Why they'd openly admit to something ban worthy idk.
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01-01-2018, 04:03 AMSoupa
People buy clears cuz they're bad/lazy, been going on since 2.0. SE can't do anything cuz its hard to track RMT activities when most of its done outside the game. Look on the bright side least we're not as bad at the game as those degenerates right guys.....GUYS?
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01-01-2018, 04:04 AMBourne_Endeavor
Since long before FFXIV even existed. While it's less common than selling runs for in-game currency, but plenty of good players take real money hence why you see the advertising asking you to contact them on discord. Someone linked an advertisement for Ultimate on reddit: $1,200.
SE can't do anything. Even if they banned content selling, people will just change the wording of their advertisements and ask you contact them through discord. We actually have seen how futile it is for SE with regards to housing. Once Yoshida commented on selling plots for huge mark ups wasn't allowed, people took all the sells to reddit. -
01-01-2018, 04:29 AMMarxam
I always thought you'd have to be either really; desperate to succeed, lack any self esteem or have no sense of monetary worth in real life applications to go through with purchasing a sell or carry of any kind with real money. Yes you can get banned if caught and some people will say "what they want to do with their money is their problem and doesn't affect me" but in this instance it seems to have affected the OP since he's now stuck in a trap group and wasted time and created unnecessary stress. I also refuse to believe that people would pay egregious prices just to get gear in a game where content can be completed through pugs.
I'm proof of this having cleared V4S last month and that's after taking a 2 month break from savage content and clearing v1s and v2s in the first two weeks. However I guess this is the world we live in today where people will pay outrageous prices for a fictional asset to provide themselves with a fleeting sense of pride and self worth that they can then show off to their peers in a limited fashion. If that's the case well...
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01-01-2018, 04:29 AMSuperZay
The real question here is... why $290, can't even split it in 7 or 8. $1200 at least makes sense, $150 per player.
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01-01-2018, 04:44 AMFelis
Just report
It is RMT if real money is involved -
01-01-2018, 04:49 AMZsolen
And others and I will craft and sell gear (for only gil) at a higher ilvl come 4.2.
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01-01-2018, 04:52 AMCakekizyy
Sounds like a good way to get a permaban.
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01-01-2018, 04:58 AMTridus
When there's demand, someone will create supply. I can't for the life of me understand WHY anyone would spend money on this, but I guess if you're rich it isn't any different than buying a coffee.
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01-01-2018, 05:09 AMRLofOBFL
He sounds like he's joking but if he's not it's pretyy funny. 290$ lol, I am barely a midcore raider and I've had my genji sInce September. What a waste of money for something not that difficult. But it is his money. So he can do whatever dumb thing he wants with it imo.
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01-01-2018, 06:12 AMVnolanYes and yes. It would be worse if they weren't aware of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mycow8me
The GMs aren't dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
If they're no longer advertising in the pf, then that is the opposite of futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
If the proof required is "Would you like to exchange real money for my services in clearing FFXIV content?" being said in chat, then it's not really against the ToS, is it? Any punishment given is more for being so unbelievably stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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01-01-2018, 06:31 AMakaneakkiWhile there are bad players who buy runs, there are also players who can do the content and buys too. There are serval reasons for that. When some content are sold we do prefer them to be done by us only that means 7 people that is our own while the guy is on the floor. But in some cases we do let them play and we even had one that was really good at it and been selling with us ever since. Players like these can't beat it in PF etc which is also very understandable, considering there is not that many great players left into a patch that's been out for 1 month or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
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01-01-2018, 06:57 AMSebazy
$290 for an O4S clear?
30 seconds in Uldah tells me I could get ~160mil gil for that kind of dollar without any shopping around. I'll plead guilty to being out of the loop with sales now but at least as far as Chaos goes, I'm fairly certain an O4S clear+coffer hasn't cost anything like that much for a long time.
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01-01-2018, 07:04 AMBashum
I once sold my character in a previous MMO for the equivalent of around $2500 USD today.
The buyer was a very successful businessman, who loved video games, especially mmo's, but simply did not have the time to actually grind out getting a high level character and end game gear. In his mind, that $2500 was easily worth his own time saved. He just wanted to see the endgame content/gear.
So while certainly some of these buyers have no concept of what money is worth, I think you'd be surprised to learn that a lot of them actually DO, and realize that spending the money rather than putting in the time is a better opportunity cost for them.
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01-01-2018, 07:06 AMOdstarva
And on the other thread people were defending this practice saying there was no RMT involved.
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01-01-2018, 07:14 AMCreinCrein
O4S has been selling for 150-200 before the lockout, seems right if he got it back then. I'd do that, 290 split 8; 36.25 towards a nice lunch/dinner.
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01-01-2018, 08:09 AMMatureI think you are misinformed. I can tell you that this is far from truth in many ways. I know A LOT of people wanting to clear stuff but cause people are selfish and can't be arsed helping others (even tho they beg for help , once they cleared they won't help at all) . There's a lot of people wanting to clear , join groups , practice etc etc but sadly groups are pretty shit (specially those who they called themselves "farm" .. just look at shinsex) so due to frustration of weeks and weeks and months and months of not being able to clear, they have no choice but to pay a static to clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
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01-01-2018, 08:28 AMGetFoesReqd
1200 dollars for a single completion. Must be nice to be able to blow that kind of money on an hour or less that won't even mean anything in a few months, and not even in real life to boot. Congratulations, I guess. :/
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01-01-2018, 08:43 AMDeaconMooreIt's just some paper with a number printed on it they traded for a picture on a computer screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by GetFoesReqd
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01-01-2018, 08:58 AMAyer2015
This isn't really a competitive game. I say, let them waste they money.
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01-01-2018, 09:46 AMGrey-SatyrThere are lots of people that have more money than sense (or parents that spoil the hell out of them.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeaconMoore
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01-01-2018, 10:42 AMFelixDaCat
That's more expensive than a drug habit!
I've been really lucky to do most of the normal content in PUG's with little wipes as a new player. It's not worth spending that much money on a single run surely? -
01-01-2018, 10:57 AMToasterMan290 USD for that? Man just when I think I've seen it all, I see this,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mycow8me
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01-01-2018, 01:32 PMBourne_Endeavor"Looking to clear Savage or Ultimate? We'll work with you. Just message at <insert discord name>. Will not respond to in-game tells."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
That message doesn't break the ToS, thus the GMs cannot do anything about it per their own standards. Keep in mind, they will not accept screenshots or video as evidence. You have to catch someone in-game. Banning adverts will achieve nothing except prompting people to be vague in how they word said adverts. -
01-01-2018, 04:52 PMKaethra
Am I the only one who thinks the screen shot shows sarcasm? Its on the third page, and no one thought that?
Otherwise someone paid a bit too much. IMO. -
01-01-2018, 06:27 PMFynlar
I can never be convinced that anyone who would spend hundreds of dollars on any piece of equipment in this game (or for the gil to buy it) knows how to properly manage finances considering how short of a shelf life *everything* in this game has.
But it still doesn't really bother me. If anyone wants to fork out money for their shiny sword that will be shit in 3/6 months, it's no skin off my back.