Please adjust old content for unsync

It’s annoying that there are some dungeons and trials that you cannot do solo unsynced no matter how much you outlevel the content because of mechanics that can’t be handled solo.

It’s silly that we can solo Titan ex but not Titan hard because when he gaols you in hard it resets the instance, it should be changed to work the same as ex where it’s a timed bomb. Or stone vigil hard where it’s impossible to get past the second boss solo because one cannon isn’t enough when at level 70 I should really be able to kill it myself without a cannon.

Yes, I could do these things synced, or ask a friend to come and help me, but I don’t really want to waste my time in a duty queue for something I should easily be able to solo if not for gimmicky mechanics and I don’t want to waste my friends time running old content they get nothing out of for my glamour purposes just to get me past one thing.

How would you rework it then? For Titan Hard and Stone Vigil Hard, how could you rework those mechanics that it wouldn't affect synced runs when players try to run these unsynced?

A8S was annoying to farm unsynched because with 4.0 changes to accuracy the boss now often miss lv70 tanks and don't remove their stacks which leads to instawipe during Gavel. With lv80 tanks it'll be impossible to complete.

You can solo both of these unsynced though...??

You just nuke Titan in like 5 GCDs and Stone Vigil HM second boss is annoying but doable. I know I've done it. Whole run took like 20 minutes because second boss is a time sink.

Personally I just wish they make it so that regular mobs in unsync dungeons would drop items if you don't them to drop Gil fine but man would be nice when farming mobs that only appear in certain Dungeons and other places. It's would be easier just being able to farm them that way. In my opinion it's just a little silly that you can only get items from the bosses.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

How would you rework it then? For Titan Hard and Stone Vigil Hard, how could you rework those mechanics that it wouldn't affect synced runs when players try to run these unsynced?

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A good start would be to remove all "instant death" effects with damage that's sufficient to guarantee a kill on an in-level player. Ultima from Ballad getting their fifth stack?! Instead of instant-death, have the attack deal serious damage. Lvl70 may survive it (or not), lvl50 won't. And yes, it is instant death, despite there being comments that it's supposedly 10 000 damage on next attack. I did "survive it" only for the screen to blacken out and the instance to restart anyway when I attempted it. Ultima at least can be soloed by a summoner, though it would take quite some time leaving all the killing to the summon. But Titan Hard cannot, seeing as its Gaol won't hit a summon, ever.

In the case of Gaol and similar imprisonment effects, just have it blow-up dealing massive damage if there are no players alive to destroy it. Again, the end result is identical for synced players (heck, I never, ever, saw anyone stay in a Gaol for more than a couple seconds anyway in Titan Hard), while it would make any class be able to solo it with a high enough level and base stats, as in, a level comparable to where other dungeons of similar grade are soloable.

This is what friends are for...

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

This is what friends are for...

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This~ ^^

Not worth putting effort into a few things you can't solo. Why not just ask a friend or put a PF up or even maybe queue normally in this case? ^^

Also you need to question yourself: "Why am I doing this solo?"

I was doing 3.0 Relic for DRG and DRK and came across things like in "The Aery" Nidhoggs move where he binds you in fire or something and you can't break free on your own and eventually kills you. Also before that in "The Wanderers Palace"(Hard), the last boss casts doom and I can't kill him fast enough. In those cases I just asked a friend that wasn't busy and we ran through the dungeon np!

Like I said before, instead of posting a thread about things you can't solo. Question why you want to solo in the first place. It's really not necessary in a MMO.

Edit: You should worry less about wasting peoples time. To be honest, a lot of people are probably bored half the time playing this game and are looking for something to do lol. At least in this current moment in time.

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Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi

Also you need to question yourself: "Why am I doing this solo?"

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I tend to work on soloing a lot of that stuff because the few friends I have aren't online, or busy doing something else. And because the FC I'm in either nobody is on, or those that are on tend to ignore anyone and everything that isn't their linkshells(and it seems like I'm the only one not in any of their LS...)

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Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi

This~ ^^

Not worth putting effort into a few things you can't solo. Why not just ask a friend or put a PF up or even maybe queue normally in this case? ^^

Also you need to question yourself: "Why am I doing this solo?"

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Seconded. I went over this in detail in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4507673

This is a MMORPG. We need to be social to obtain goals. We need friends to complete content. If friends aren't online, then we just need more.

We’re not talking about content you “can’t solo” here, we’re talking about content you can solo but due to one gimmick you can’t do it alone. You can solo every hard mode primal from ifrit to shiva, except Titan, not because he’s hard but because he traps you in a rock that instantly ends the instance. That’s not good design, if it’s a hard fight that you can’t manage alone, like trying to solo ravana ex, then that’s fine, rise to the challenge or bring a friend. But when it actually can’t be done, not because it’s hard, but because of the way it’s designed, that needs to be addressed.

Nope, because the mechanic needs to be there so groups cant either kill it too easy. I mean look at all those zurvan farms etc, they can barely towers, good thing they are there.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Nope, because the mechanic needs to be there so groups cant either kill it too easy. I mean look at all those zurvan farms etc, they can barely towers, good thing they are there.

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What's the difference between an instant-death mechanic and an attack that deals twice your HP in damage from the parties point of view?! Absolutely nothing. You'll die one way or another. However, the first one prevents the battle from being soloed when unsynched, while the latter does not.

No one here is talking about removal of these mechanics. People just want them to be made in a way that they can be "brute-forced" with high enough level when doing the run unsynced. Nothing would ever change for an actual party running the instance as normal.

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Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi

Not worth putting effort into a few things you can't solo. Why not just ask a friend or put a PF up or even maybe queue normally in this case? ^^

Also you need to question yourself: "Why am I doing this solo?"

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I personally Solo things, because it's actually fun to do. I'm not all about doing things fast or being 1st. I'm about having fun. Waiting for a dungeon to pop isn't fun, but going in instantly Solo is. It's a new challenge where you have to deal with mechanics alone and that's all kinds of fun to try to survive. I agree if they add unsynced dungeons, raids & primals, they should consider adapting the instance for Soloing, maybe adding a 2nd version of the fight when you select unsynced that is for Soloing only which fixes traps like with Nidhogg.

Stone Vigil Hard is soloable. Easiest to do as a healer because you have to keep at least one NPC alive.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

How would you rework it then? For Titan Hard and Stone Vigil Hard, how could you rework those mechanics that it wouldn't affect synced runs when players try to run these unsynced?

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Pretty simple, for instance in Stone Vigil adjust the cannon power to the player level (in dungeon) divided by the number of party member.

I know it is an old thread. But I ran into the same "problem" while doing this particular dungeon. You can queue indeed, but I understand it can be frustrating to lose 15 min because of a stupid boss hidden behind a mechanic wall while the others are not.

Did they not just change a bunch of this stuff?

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Did they not just change a bunch of this stuff?

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https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...6b35e701e59a32

The Navel (Normal) and the Navel (Hard)

- If all surviving party members are trapped in granite gaols, the battle will no longer restart. Instead, the trapped players will be released after a certain amount of time has passed and will incur damage.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

You can solo both of these unsynced though...??

You just nuke Titan in like 5 GCDs and Stone Vigil HM second boss is annoying but doable. I know I've done it. Whole run took like 20 minutes because second boss is a time sink.

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For fights like this, the time sink is so high it isn't even worth it to do solo anymore. If you need the clear for whatever reason, then just run it synced with others.

I learned this in FFXI when I soloed the Guardian Statue for my RDM pimp hat. It literally took around over an hour because you have to DoT it to death while keeping your distance running laps around the dungeon, but not so far that you lose aggro, and the statue heads off to despawn during which it regens the health that took you so long to deplete at an extremely high rate. Every server tick would erase about 20 minutes of work. Problem was, when I finally did it, I didn't have him targeted when the DoTs killed him so I didn't get the item I needed. It was all for nothing. There were about three other players who watched me do it, and I let them know the bad news. They invited me into their group, and we proceeded to kill the Statue in about two minutes. Done.

Soloing things that you normally shouldn't be able to can be fun if it is simply for bragging rights. But I feel it also requires the boss to be a threat outside of a mechanic that is not meant to be handled solo. As an example I soloed Aurum Vale with my SCH at level 54 in non-augmented IW gear. It took me multiple tries because you have to do things like keep yourself healed, cause significant damage to the bosses, not let too many stacks of Golden Lung build up, and also have good timing so your are not interrupted by an auto attack when cleansing it. When I finally did it, I just barely beat the 90-minute timer. It was a ton of fun though figuring out how to do everything just right.

For something like Titan's gaols in hard mode, it's the only way he is capable of winning. If your DPS is so high that he doesn't even get a chance to cast it, then it's not what I would call a challenging solo encounter.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

It’s annoying that there are some dungeons and trials that you cannot do solo unsynced no matter how much you outlevel the content because of mechanics that can’t be handled solo.

It’s silly that we can solo Titan ex but not Titan hard because when he gaols you in hard it resets the instance, it should be changed to work the same as ex where it’s a timed bomb. Or stone vigil hard where it’s impossible to get past the second boss solo because one cannon isn’t enough when at level 70 I should really be able to kill it myself without a cannon.

Yes, I could do these things synced, or ask a friend to come and help me, but I don’t really want to waste my time in a duty queue for something I should easily be able to solo if not for gimmicky mechanics and I don’t want to waste my friends time running old content they get nothing out of for my glamour purposes just to get me past one thing.

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We are getting an npc party system next xpac. Use it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

We are getting an npc party system next xpac. Use it.

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The trust system only works with the ShB dungeons though :confused:

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

We are getting an npc party system next xpac. Use it.

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Trusts will only work for the new dungeons. Also, this post is from 2017....

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Originally Posted by croumir

Pretty simple, for instance in Stone Vigil adjust the cannon power to the player level (in dungeon) divided by the number of party member.

I know it is an old thread. But I ran into the same "problem" while doing this particular dungeon. You can queue indeed, but I understand it can be frustrating to lose 15 min because of a stupid boss hidden behind a mechanic wall while the others are not.

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I was trying to farm lumber running SV Hard myself one night a few months back and the biggest irritation on the turtle was the damned NPCs. You failed if they died and they were tissue paper. Haven't tried it recently to see if that's still the case.

Why solo?

Maybe...
When friends are not online?
Losing one hour or more waiting the PF to be filled because nobody watch PF or is interested?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Trusts will only work for the new dungeons. Also, this post is from 2017....

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Where is this information posted that it's only for ShB dungeons? Because it wouldn't make ANY sense to have TRUST work only with new system when the dev stated that the TRUST system would become weaker as you progressed and leveled up and would be used mainly to help new players learn to work with others. Clearly if they were already at ShB, they wouldn't be new or need to learn to work with others.

Posted from https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2018/11...to-the-mmorpg/

“So, that being said, playing through the singleplayer quests with an NPC will become harder as you progress in the story as the content will become more challenging, and having an NPC won’t allow for you to clear the content or not even to enter certain content. What I would like players to experience through the Trust system is that they’re going to learn the basics of Final Fantasy XIV and the MMORPG elements and shift or transition into playing with other players like a buffer or a gateway to the game.”

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Originally Posted by ADarklore

Where is this information posted that it's only for ShB dungeons? Because it wouldn't make ANY sense to have TRUST work only with new system when the dev stated that the TRUST system would become weaker as you progressed and leveled up and would be used mainly to help new players learn to work with others. Clearly if they were already at ShB, they wouldn't be new or need to learn to work with others.

Posted from https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2018/11...to-the-mmorpg/

“So, that being said, playing through the singleplayer quests with an NPC will become harder as you progress in the story as the content will become more challenging, and having an NPC won’t allow for you to clear the content or not even to enter certain content. What I would like players to experience through the Trust system is that they’re going to learn the basics of Final Fantasy XIV and the MMORPG elements and shift or transition into playing with other players like a buffer or a gateway to the game.”

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Confirmed on EU fanfest and reiterated on the JP one. Trust will only be for ShB story dungeons.

No, they aren't going to implement it for every duty and ruin roulettes/DF forever.

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Originally Posted by ADarklore

Where is this information posted that it's only for ShB dungeons? Because it wouldn't make ANY sense to have TRUST work only with new system when the dev stated that the TRUST system would become weaker as you progressed and leveled up and would be used mainly to help new players learn to work with others. Clearly if they were already at ShB, they wouldn't be new or need to learn to work with others.

Posted from https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2018/11...to-the-mmorpg/

“So, that being said, playing through the singleplayer quests with an NPC will become harder as you progress in the story as the content will become more challenging, and having an NPC won’t allow for you to clear the content or not even to enter certain content. What I would like players to experience through the Trust system is that they’re going to learn the basics of Final Fantasy XIV and the MMORPG elements and shift or transition into playing with other players like a buffer or a gateway to the game.”

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They treat the beginning of every expansion as a sort of reset on player skill, despite what we want them to. You also have to remember that there will be new people that will use story and level skip tomes upon buying the game to get to ShB, and that they would have NO idea on how the game's mechanics work. Also, iirc, the only trusts they have atm are the ShB version Scions, which only exist in ShB, and thus can only be used in ShB (specifically Thancred as GUN Tank, Y'shtoya as BLM DPS, Urianger as AST Healer, Minifillia as surprise DPS). And apparently the trusts you can take into dungeons vary by which are available story-wise when you reach that dungeon.

I am totally for removing these insane mechanics. No I don’t want to drag my friends along for 104 runs (I’m so sorry guys hope you enjoyed the cupcakes) just because I want a particular piece for glamour and RNGesus hates me

Yeah I have to agree it's silly that these things haven't been fixed. It just makes it so certain classes are screwed to wait for DF.

Titan HM is a classic fight... leave it alone.