This game really lacks actual solo content. Most is either doable easier with a group (Palace of the Dead, FATE's etc.) or outright group-only (dungeons, if you want experience). There was added the squadron content now, but that is not only very early phase (the squadron cannot even properly, as in, fundamentally, do their job on the lvl50 dungeon), but it also demands other skills than individual progress.
The lack of solo content is part of the problem as to why the players skill level on average is so low. Without anything to challenge, make a player learn their class properly, they are not very likely to learn. Throwing easy content at them will just make them think they are "good". Throwing group content will pair them with good players (making the run smooth and them think it was thanks to them too) or with bad (making the run a tragedy, making them think that the others couldn't keep up).
Hence, why I'd like to see more solo content that would not be made vastly easier with a group, that would put to the test the players individual, actual skills.
The game have some interesting instances. Plenty of duels that require some individual proficiency. Then there is the mock-up battle between Ishgard and the three Grand Companies that was a wonderful mini-game (alas, a joke as a healer). Then there is another "group battle" with that war over the steppes in Stormblood. The latter two would be great content to add (solo with NPC's, as it would take ages to make sure that one could actually complete the bonding in the steppe war, at least).
The former brings to mind...a coliseum. There is already one, in Ul-Dah. But players cannot participate in it (except as part of Paladins job quests). I think it would be a great content to add however. How would I want it to work?
Battles:
Duels: Player would fight against an enemy one on one. The enemy could be selected from a list (with varying classes, difficulties etc.) and depending on the selection, the rewards would differ. Make some really challenging foes that give good rewards (experience, really), and players will really want to get better at their class. However, please...Don't think that "Bigger HP = Bigger challenge". Use mechanics for controlling the difficulty, not the enemies health pool.
A random mode where the duel takes place against a random foe would be nice bonus.
Team Battles: Since there is this coliseum, why not? The more players there are, the more NPC's they fight against, making for the content properly scaling in difficulty with party. If the gladiators will actually focus on one target instead of going through enmity list as normal, that is. Meaning, people will probably die, but their goal is to kill all the opponents before they all get downed first. It's a fair game for either side. Again, opponent selection or random.
Tournament: Well, self-explanatory. Could have either or both of two ways it's calculated. Elimination, where you lose, you're out, or point-based, where you gain point for draw, two for win and naught for loss, and you'd have to fight against every opponent once (so seven/fifteen duels). The further the player goes/the higher position they end up as the higher the reward.
Adding extra player teams could be available, with the teams being as far apart as possible with the amount of people (if in elimination tournament), so that if there are two teams, they can only meet in the finals.
This could also include a way for players to organize tournaments, putting an item as reward and inviting others to participate or making it open for anyone, though NPC's would still fill-in the blanks. What happens with the reward if NPC's win? Well, details...
And yes, duels or team battles are fair game.
The important part is making these duels a challenge. Not a roflstomp that the bottom-skill players can defeat, but something one needs to be at least decent for the weakest NPC, or a "real pro" for the highest-difficulty match-up of highest difficulty NPC. If they are not a challenge, there would be no improvement in individual player skills, and it's just become another good or bad but way to get experience.
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12-04-2017, 12:06 AMkikix12Colliseum/Solo Instances
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12-04-2017, 12:09 AMSerLuke
There's also a level 50 side quest that uses the Coliseum but yeah its always bothered me there's not much we can actually do there I thought they would have added more content for it.
Anyways I agree I would love to see more challenging solo content. -
12-04-2017, 12:12 AMSoupa
Tournament sounds a lot like the current PvP features we have currently (Custom matches, feast). The others sound like interesting ideas but its not much different then say a trial roulette at that point. (Min ilv sync, level sync, etc). The main problem I see is this is supposed to be geared toward solo content which is not exactly the first thing you think of when you're playing an MMO. Nice ideas though.
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12-04-2017, 12:21 AMkikix12The difference is massive. Group content does not promote individual performance growth (the more difficult it is the better it is at that, but there's always a limit). How many times have I seen people do everything bad in a trial (like, getting thrown out by Titan the very first time it's possible, of course, at times I was guilty of that myself) and still clear? Just cause the content can be cleared with a handicap of multiple people in the party being sub-par. And they have little in-game reasons to get better, unless they want to do the really difficult content (which most of these players do not).Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
I'm afraid that in order to have one, individual player get better, that one individual player needs to be given a challenge. I'm not a proponent of a challenge in main story, hence why I suggest an optional content that can provide it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
Really, even an MMO cannot make-do without some solo content. I didn't propose anything but experience as reward (there may or may not be anything beyond) so as to not make players feel bad when they just cannot clear it at all. Experience can be gotten in many other places, of varied difficulty. Just look at other MMO's. Any, really. The more difficult solo-content there was (even just actually difficult "world" mobs), the better the average players skills. But FFXIV is so focused on party content, and making what little solo content there is laughably easy, that there is just no way to get better without going out of ones way. -
12-04-2017, 12:24 AMEnkidohThe level 60-70 PLD Job quests also feature solo instanced battles in the Ul'dah Colosseum as part of the quests (as the OP noted), as did the old version 1.0 GLA class quests (fittingly, as the Colosseum is part of the GLA's Guild). The reason though why we don't have more content using it (such as PvP) is SE are mindful about how players would tend to idle around there between matches and thus, given how players idling broke Ul'dah in 1.0, they clearly want to avoid a repeat of that happening again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerLuke
Personally though, the OP's idea of a solo-orientated battle arena is still something I would love to see, and Gold Saucer would be perfect for it instead of Ul'dah, given the original Gold Saucer in FFVII had something similar there. I disagree about using it for group content though, as there is already plenty of team-based PvP and PvE in the game anyway. -
12-04-2017, 12:24 AMNephthysVasudanLet me get this straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
You're complaining there's a lack of solo-able content.
Yet you propose group content via duels and such?
Duels: Already exists.... its called POTD, Overworld - Those simulation fields at at the Fringes and Dravanian Hinterlands.
Team Battles: PVP???? Huh? (Looks at the Wolfs Pier)
Tournament: Isn't that what the Feast is? And the new PVP stuff they launched? sure a more formal ladder could be formed...but...wait....isn't there already something like that?
With all due respect...I think you kinda missed the part where this is an MMORPG (Massive Multi-player Online Role playing Game)
Now yes...it would be nice to solo most content...but the content was specifically designed to be done in a group environment...aside from the main scenario quests and such.
I get where your coming from..but your foundation is very....weak.
The best way for players to get better...is to play with other players...always.
Yes its a mixed bag and randoms tend to be nasty for me....but its also how you meet good people too.
If you walked into this thinking its solo and don't want to be around people..your going to have a hard time getting anywhere.
*TRYING to be helpful here* -
12-04-2017, 12:26 AMSerLukeThat makes sense, I wasn't around for 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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12-04-2017, 12:28 AMCakekizyy
I would love that, except for the challenge part.
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12-04-2017, 12:55 AMkikix12Eh...why make a content purely for solo when it can be for both solo and party?! Seriously, wasting money for artificial reasons like that is not what I am a fan of.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Are you serious?! I specifically mentioned palace of the dead as worthless, since whatever you can do solo, you can do a lot better with a party. Not to mention, there are many mobs that have barely any mechanics (except for the bosses every ten floors), with somewhat low life and somewhat high attack to compensate...Overworld is a laughingstock. Have you ever died on the overworld?! I haven't. Even if I was disconnected in the middle of a field, I still didn't die. Except to fates, but those aren't even reliable, not to mention, they are once again easier to do in a party and often have multitude of simple mobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
And SSS...is just an unmoving dummy. That's not even a "content" per see. How much challenge is there in hitting something that does literally nothing, that you will defeat in the two minutes whatever you do, so long as you actually do something and so long as you have proper level gear?
Um...Since when do you go with a party member and fight against NPC's in Wolf's Pier?! At least read carefully when you make such a big thing of a response trying to show how ridiculous the poster is.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
No. That is not what the Feast is. Feast is a ranking ladder that spans over a long time. You can fight once, you can fight seven times, you can fight a thousand times. Feast is also strictly PvP, so you play against other players and, again, it is strictly group content, so you play it only WITH other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Also, now, the PvP is even LESS of an argument, as getting better at PvP does nothing for getting better at PvE, since the skills used are different.
You have missed nearly every point I was making in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
And I cannot understand people that use that ridiculous argument. MMO stands for "massive multiplayer online", not for "only group content". It just means that players connect the game to an outside server and utilize the same "zones" as each other, with means of interaction. It does not say anything about having them interact, and really, a strictly-solo game that would only have a "hub" city where you can talk with players would STILL be an MMO game.
Where have I said anything about soloing most or, really, any content that is actually there? I suggest an entire new type of content. One that can be done solo...or in a group. And not fixed group, either, so you can play as one, as two, as three, as five...Show me any content that have such freedom, not counting undersized parties for the obvious reason of it either being impossible or roflstomp?Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
You don't get where I'm coming from at all. You missed every single argument I made. Heck, you even contradicted yourself. Your first post was making an argument against me due to the team part of my suggestion, and then you went and talked about how this is an MMO...Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Go ahead and give counterarguments to what arguments I made as to why this is NOT the best way. Then I may actually consider this as more than a wish upon a star.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Being better player have nothing to do with whether you meet good or bad people, or any people at all. So can't really say I care about that. I do party content, I wouldn't be playing this game if I had no interest in that, whether small or large, but that's besides the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
I'm sorry, but trying doesn't cut it. You didn't put any effort into trying to read my first post and your response had nothing to do with anything that I wrote in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Don't get me wrong. I have no issues with constructive criticism per see, but it's not that if it talks about entirely different thing. And things like sarcasm, irony and similar are never helpful and are always used to put down the other side, and they are surefire way to tick me off.
Such phrases are not generally used unless you want to show disdain for the other person, or at least, that you think they said something truly idiotic. It have nothing to do with being helpful. Trying to be helpful in this case would be "How does this differ from wolves pier?", to which I could actually respond properly (which, one way or another, I did...not like I should have to granted the difference is in the original post).Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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12-04-2017, 01:02 AMSoupaIf we want someone to get better then there needs to be more gatekeeping content like before things like Steps of Faith, Vault, and Nidhogg before they were nerfed. A recent example is Shinryu which everyone was complaining to be nerfed but they didn't which forced players to "get good". This games battle content is almost entirely group based so I don't see how solo content would help anyone really improve outside of their rotation which can be done at a training dummy. Healers especially would get barely anything out of this because they're supposed to be taking care of a party. Again good ideas(I like the team battles) but not much practical use.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
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12-04-2017, 01:11 AMBillyKaplanI wouldn't say everyone got good, but eventually everyone got overgeared which made it easier to carry people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
My biggest concern when it comes to adding more solo content is how badly people will cry for it to be nerfed and simplified even when it's obvious things are supposed to propose a challenge (this doesn't include PotD which seems to be more impossible than just challenging, and more references someone who has Shinryu ex on farm who wanted a nerf for it). Look at everyone who had a hard time passing the 4.1 solo instance and demanded anything from a nerf to letting them bring someone else in. Now, we're likely speaking purely optional content here, which I'd be all for, but when has that ever stopped anyone from complaining about content? -
12-04-2017, 01:14 AMSoupaYeah it was perfect. 10/10 gatekeeping.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyKaplan
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12-04-2017, 01:20 AMkikix12No, not really. Those that couldn't do it, didn't, waited for the others to do it and get better gear...and then were carried by them. By now, losing two or so players in Shinryu isn't that much of a hit. Especially if they were DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
Rotation learning can be done on a training dummy...if you either checked the walkthrough for your class to learn it first, use a parser, or spend a lot of time doing the calculations manually. Not to mention, this just trains the basic ability to do that rotation when you are not interrupted, but speaks nothing of your ability to maintain it (or as close to it as possible) when you are in actual combat where there are mechanics and attacks which you need to adapt to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
As for the game being heavily group-content, it'll stay that way unless they'll add some solo content, which is what I suggest.
All in all, a players ability is a derivative of both their individual ability and skill with the class (which only solo content with challenging, active opponents can teach, or a parser to filter out the outside interference) and their ability to adapt and cooperate with a group (this is what group play teaches, and on its own, this is good enough only for the standard content up to expert dungeons). We have plenty of means to train group abilities, but barely any (aka. virtually none) to train individual abilities.
Yes, the educative part of the suggestion would have much less impact on healers. It would teach them to better manage their mana, cooldowns like Largesse and DPS and heal, but it would not help them get better at helping others. However, healers have means of training their main focal point, while DPS must go blindly by trail and error, use parsers which are not supported officially, or have very good instincts for these kinds of things. Most people don't have instincts at that level, many people hate parsers or don't even know they exist (or don't want to risk getting banned) and trial and error is very disheartening when not only can you come across players that will trash-talk at you, but also other players like you that still lack the skills, and can even hold you back, so that you cannot really say whether you've improved or not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
That being said, whether it would be practical or not in the long run, it's still content and it's still meant to be fun. And it would be a fine choice for DPS that just have a short time to play and want to do something meaningful, so even for the entertainment factor, it would still be enough.
I didn't know about the 1.0 version and it causing a problem though...Well, either way, details like that can be mixed and matched as necessary. It's more of a story-building thing which is beyond the scope of this thread. It could be solved with a different coliseum, it could be solved with an instance "hub" that is entered from the gladiators guild or its vicinity, too. -
12-04-2017, 01:26 AMBillyKaplanThere's "add some solo content", and there's "turn this into a single player game with optional group content". Be sure not to lose sight of this difference, this is still an MMORPG. I'm all in favor of adding more solo content, but I doubt they'll suddenly tilt this heavily in that direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
It arguably can, though it would require a change to how solo encounters are currently implemented. So much of your kit is wasted because the NPCs aren't considered party members. However, we've seen via the Squad missions that that doesn't have to be the case. Have solo content automatically build a party to include you and the NPCs so your group spells and buffs work on them. This can be done, even in the early AST quests you could use your cards on the NPCs, the text instructions even tell you to do it. They just need to make this a more framework function instead of something that seems to work only in rare and few instances.Quote:
Yes, the educative part of the suggestion would have much less impact on healers. It would teach them to better manage their mana, cooldowns like Largesse and DPS and heal, but it would not help them get better at helping others.
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12-04-2017, 01:48 AMSoupaGood, the way it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
This could/should be learned passively while playing and we have the hall of the novice on top of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
I enjoy it now the way it is, its why I play online games to group with people. If people want solo content that badly they shouldn't be playing this game, not to say there shouldn't be any solo content but no way as large of a shift as you're suggesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
Again all suggested and done in hall of the novice. If you are a level 70 healer and are still having trouble managing mana with lucid dream on the bar you might wanna reevaluate your class choice. Largesse is a purely situational cooldown as well, its for large incoming damage during fights which you'll have to play to figure out anyway, I rarely need it in normal content. As for the trail and error thing, welcome to FFxiv may I take your order?Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
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12-04-2017, 02:03 AMkikix12You missed the part where they did it month or so later, being carried and continuing on the main quest without ever getting any better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
So do I, generally. But you see, when most people I meet in random parties don't even respond to a simple hi, when in a free company saying "Hi" on log-in gives me maybe one or two responses even if there are seven or more people on and when the people I am familiar with and thus want to party and play with are around the world with different time zones and their own real lives on top of me having my own, it's nice to have some solo content to do here or there. A game that is rarely played stops being interesting, and this game costing per month (and for me, that's quite a significant amount, I could get two-three games every month just for what the sub costs me) doesn't help it. If I can only expect to play with random-AI "bots" (as that's what most people in duty finder parties are) or for a few hours every couple of days/weeks with people I know, then where is the problem?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
Especially with the DPS queue's being so long, and a lot of play time being even more wasted (unless you are interested in limited few options that can be done while waiting, FATE for example once nearly making me auto-withdraw due to time-out, as I had to change class and managed to do that in the very last second), some valid, satisfying content to go to would be helpful.
No one tells you to do it. There will still be plenty of people that do the group content. I honestly don't know what's with that argument coming so often, when the main content will not lose anything out. One would need to be on a virtually dead server way out of prime hours, and that's really not something I can imagine with how this game solves that by simply cross-world duty finder...
What would be better. A player that quits completely, or a player that still groups up here or there, while soloing otherwise?! -
12-04-2017, 02:21 AMDzian
The main scenario should ALL be harder honestly. And I don't say that out of any form of epeenery or such.
The issue is the main scenario story quite frequently includes some very dire and grim situations even a few where practically all hope is lost. And yet the difficulty of it portrays absolutely none of that tension or desperation the story is trying to build up. It's completely disconnected.
Oh ma god the dragons are attacking ishgard panic and chaos everywhere. Enter steps of faith roflstomp it with absolutely no threat of losing... And walk out a hero. Really there was no threat at all.... threat? what threat? the ease completely destroys the tension and atmosphere the plot tries to create. and it's the same all the way through..
I also think every single instance or battle in the MSQ should be doable with friends precisely because this is an MMO and multiplayer game. and it'd be much more fun and enjoyable that way.
It just doenst make sense why 4 of us were there trying to all get into our own instance of cold steel when we could have grouped up and gone in together as friends and had a lot more fun doing so and also reduced the stress on the server becuase less total instances running... and then later in the msq, the naadam? man that would have been epic fun with friends..
MMO's are supposed to be a social game as well yet XIV frequently says Sorry you cant progress because your in a party with friends.... and must be an anti social solo player in order to progress, please leave all your friends behind.. this is not a single player game....
And then people wonder why the community is so superficial and anti social and no one really talks or has any loyalty to statics fcs or even linkshells and why all these groups of players always fall apart. -
12-04-2017, 02:30 AMSoupaThats fine, they paid in valuable time instead, during that month a bunch of people moved on to relevant content while they have to play catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
This sounds like you need to move onto greener pastures to improve your FFXIV experience and is more of a community issue then a game issue. As for it being optional that just means no one will do it, look at all the optional content this game has that most people hardly touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
If said player is soloing constantly and hardly grouping then in my opinion they should quit. I sure wouldn't play this game if I spent the majority of my time alone and I doubt said player would be happy paying a sub fee for playing a single player MMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
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12-04-2017, 04:26 AMbasketofsealsI'm going to have to seriously ask you what exactly you're expecting. Multiple tailor made encounters for each job?Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
There's literally no way to create even a relatively challenging solo encounter with only one design. Moreover, even if they did attempt this, jobs don't have enough mechanical complexity in order to make such an encounter engaging. With only one person, your mechanics are mostly limited to: don't stand here, kill add, interact with thing, gaze attacks, whatever we call that rolling countdown dice thing. I can't think of anything else really. Most mechanical difficulty is how mechanics interact with other members of your group. -
12-04-2017, 04:49 AMkikix12Not at all. Some NPC's that represent certain "jobs" (whether or not based on player characters jobs) with stats that are based on the players levels. A simple progression similar to what simple progression players characters have. If certain NPC's couldn't actually be defeated by certain classes? Oh, well. One could leave them open for the challenge (and maybe proving the world wrong), or lock them out for those jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by basketofseals
Did you level paladin and progress with his coliseum job quests? They may not have been difficult (because they were done with the progression in mind), but they were certainly enjoyable. If jobs don't have enough mechanical complexity to them for playing them to be fun, then I'm not sure you and I play this game for the same reasons. That's perfectly fine and all, but it's not an argument as to why it shouldn't be done. There is content in this game that others enjoy which I don't, like crafting, and it never crossed my mind to stop such content from being there. Because if the cost to demand is satisfying, why not? There is a lot of hardly used content, and part of it is with that content requiring a lot of players. Those that want to do it can't, cause there aren't enough people to play it with. In that respect, this would already be more successful, since the amount of players that would use it here or there as means of leveling solo would be reasonable. And it does have a possibility for a lot of group content, too. Something like Wolves Den as PvP hub, but for PvE instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by basketofseals
How is that different from group encounter? There are few, like stack up or spread out, but they are ultimately just "be at the right place at the right time". And how are fighting games, I mean literally fighting games, like Tekken, doing so well if "simplicity" is bad?! It's not. Simple mechanics don't need to be easy. AoE's stacked one on top of another are harder to dodge than an AoE once in a blue moon. Add a different mechanic, like tethered orbs which you need to avoid touching you, and the complexity using only simple things go up, and so does the challenge. There are countless extremely engaging single player games. You know why?! Because people, unlike you apparently, realize that there are means of making stuff engaging and they try to achieve that, instead of giving up before the starting line.Quote:
Originally Posted by basketofseals
Besides, I'm talking here about training individual characters abilities. Mechanics that are dependent on group clearing them have a full coverage with that kind of content. You can say all you want that these skills are useless in group content, but math proves anyone making such claim wrong. -
12-04-2017, 05:07 AMRiyahArp
Going to describe a hypothetical encounter like this
1. You enter the Trial of the Brave.
2. You start fighting the boss. It's just auto attacks, and some easy telegraphs so far, so no porblem.
3. The boss does a cleave for 75% of your HP.
4. You already spent your one self-heal, so you die from the damage after.
5. Okay, I need to get some potions and save the heal.
6. Take two.
7. You survive the cleave! But then the boss does a no-telegraph aoe and one-shots you.
8. Take three.
9. You quickly run to the side to dodge the no telegraph. You still get one-shotted.
10. Take four.
11. You run behind him. Yay! it works. But then he does a quick telegraph aoe that hits you with a heavy debuff, and you get nailed by the next aoe.
12. Take five.
13. You do all this, perfectly...and then boss does an ultimate that one shots you.
14. You turn away from the game in rage, and look at the forums for help.
15. Oh, wait, you needed to have high DPS all the time you were doing that to prevent the enrage.
16. Take six.
17. You try harder, it still isn't enough.
18. Back to the forums. You give up, spoil the entire fight by repeatedly watching a video walkthrough, and downloading or bookmarking guides which tell you apparently you did everything in the game wrong so far, because you need to use these abilities in this precise order to maximize DPS.
19. You give up on the instance a bit, and spend time on a dummy making sure you can even do the damn things. Worst case you change classes because you struggle with doing high dps with your main.
20. You finally come back. after take ten, you beat the stupid thing.
21. ???
22. Huge sigh of relief.
I think solo hard instances would look like this, and you have to bet around #17 players will go on to do 18 and not do:
18. Screw this game, imma play Destiny 2 a bit.
The problem is really with hard content in this game, I guess. -
12-04-2017, 05:44 AMLelila38
A thing to keep in mind: in this game not all classes are equally viable in solo play. For example a Rdm with its strong heals might have an easy time beating such a fight, whereas, say a Drg, even though higher dps, but literally no self heal ability, might struggle. And a tank might be able to survive the hard hits, but probably wouldn't be able to do enough dmg to kill the thing.
It would be impossible to balance such solo fights in a way you could clear them with any class. -
12-04-2017, 08:30 AMDzianIt wouldn't be impossible. Tricky maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lelila38
If you wanted a solo fight for example they could do something like ffxi had with Pulling the Strings which was an ENM battlefield where the boss changed according to your job.
Something like that could be quite easily workable within xiv I think. If they really wanted to add a solo challenge. But would need more than exp as a reward as If It was considered challenging players would simply get exp from easier methods.
But still stick by earlier comment it's a multiplayer game it's main focus should always be group content. I'd rather see content designed for flexible group's than solo. More things like canals for example where you can go with 2 people or go with 7. Except maybe allow alliances if you have like 11 people.
My main gripe is everything is so strictly 4 or 8 man that so much of them time you either have to many people hat want to come and some inevitably get left out or not enough people so you can't enter anyway. -
12-04-2017, 01:58 PMKrotoan
Hi, semi-casual player here.
I say semi because my lack of "hardcoreness" stems from time limitations mostly. I.G: I have little time to play games due to life and so I tend to only do things I really enjoy and cannot afford to throw whole nights at one encounter (totally used to but now I dont).
You have grand ideas but your base premise that someone cannot "git gud" by playing the game is insanity. This is how I learned all of my jobs. Played the game, and partied up. Took suggestions from other players (other than "you suck, kill yourself") and made adjustments. I also asked my friends : Hey, you play ninja, what's the best rotation for dungeon leveling at around 60?. ... with other people. In this game designed around the fact that you will NEED to get others to play with you. This is part of the game and is not skirted around by any advertising. MULTIPLAYER. CO-OP.
You wanna solo stuff? Cool , go do that.
Yes teaming up to do things designed to be done by groups will make them easier than doing them solo. The fact you consider this an argument is odd. You want to have a challenge by soloing stuff, have at it but don't complain just because we don't HAVE to do it too.
This game is designed to be inclusive for players of all skill levels. We have "the echo" for teams that just can't seem to pass older content, and unsynched runs for even further help. This is all meant to seem welcoming to players: Hey! Come play our game! it's fun! there's story and characters and people and mechanics to help you when it gets rough!
and the bottomest of the bottom lines: Spending Dev time developing solo content is not as profitable as catering to the bulk of the userbase who have active groups of friends or FC mates itching to do stuff together.
tl,dr: This isn't a single player game and you're going to be disappointed if you want it to grow as such. -
12-04-2017, 10:49 PMAylisSadly I have to agree, while I would adore some interesting and viable solo content and some of the ideas the OP listed were good. I could see balancing issues everywhere happening due to this being a trinity based game, not an action everyone can do a little bit of everything there are no real roles type of game. Being challenged is one thing and all fine and good. Getting into a solo content situation where no matter how good you are, your choice in class is your downfall is another. Running into a brick wall is no fun at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupa
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12-04-2017, 11:22 PMstardrifter
Damn I was thinking there is plenty of solo content, I want more early FFXI, where open world grouping is necessary. Epic quests, I wish jobs were much harder to unlock and quests much more obscure. Pretty unpopular opinion I know but I liked that way of gaming,
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12-05-2017, 02:19 AMTristanBlane
I think this would be a super fun idea. Sometimes when you tired of sitting in ques and working with a team it could be fun to have some type of solo progression type of thing? I was thinking like a coliseum tournament type where you can solo against different FF characters, work your way up the ladder to fight the big baddies and a type of reward system to get cool glamour's along the way.
It'll be interesting to see how they could fit it so you can do it with all jobs, DPS, Tanks and Healers. I like the idea though -
12-05-2017, 02:22 AMLelila38
They could work it into gold saucer. Battle square has been requested for a while. As I recall, Battle square used to have handicaps too, which could be fun. I still think balancing for all classes would be an issue though.
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12-05-2017, 05:45 AMShouko
1. As long as it was more of an alternative to raiding.
2. If they balanced it around non healing jobs as well as self healing ones.
3. Make it have different tiers or progressive (potd style) not just straight out hardcore, (savage raids for that)
4. 70 only content.
Personally I'd rather them make the older content like primals, A1+,C1+, etc more soloable outside of a tank job, say tune it for soloing. -
12-05-2017, 09:28 AMSelova
As much as I don't want to use wow as a example, I'm going to because they have completely nailed solo content in 2 specific scenarios. The warlock green fire boss fight and the solo artifact challenges via the mage tower in legion.
Both of these challenges were completely tailored and designed around the class it's intended for and they both push you to utilize everything in your classes kit to complete it pushing you to become better at your class in order to overcome the challenge.
I'd personally love it of SE implemented job based solo challenges. Just my 2 cents on the matter.