Return of the Bull- How Did Anyone Beat it?

I was afraid when i saw the Class battle Return of the Bull had special actions that it would be as bad as it was. It is unbeatable .....and ya it is a cool idea but it goes beyond nuts. and no i am not a novice. been in the game since day 1, but i really hate quirky flashy stuff like this.

anyone have tips? and ya i know it is an AOE so you dont have to target and ya i moved all over the place and tried lots of stragies but at the end when she released hordes of them there is no way on earth to get them all.

any clues?

i am really sad about this, for the story has been great but why do they try such bizarre twists when it just is frustrating as all heck for dediecated players who want to enjoy the story? i can see this being fine in a high level raid or dungeon that you can CHOOSE to suffer thru

nuff said, and if you feel like posting "stop whining" please move on and do it somewhere else, i welcome sincere replies and help. but not trolling.

And btw, i am a lvl 70 Bard expipment is around 315, i cant figure out how to update my avatar on this board yet. Havent been a glad in years.

I failed this one few times aswell, but as you keep failing you start to understand it and learn from it and beat it. :cool:

- At first when its you and Arenvald, try to stay away from his side, grab the aeatherballs on your side and if you notice that one slips past him, run and AoE it.
- The second part is the one where people fail, after you break free from her bind, AoE as many, always protect those that do not have the Echo first. This part is a game of anticipation and reaction.
- When one of the character cast a shield, stay in it.
- Just remember to let the NPC AoE their side of the field while you do yours, but beware the NPC have slow reaction, so always keep an eye on them.

Untill SE nerfs or changes this fight, the only thing that you can do is do your best, learn and repeat if you fail the fight.

Good luck :)

Put the duty action on a button you can use while moving so you can hit it while moving and waste less time. Use sprint when they start spawning fast, stay closer to the top where they spawn, get the ones that spawn first, hit them in clusters (stand in the middle between two lines to hit things on both lines at the same time). Prioritize ones that are closer to NPCs. That's about it.

When she goes crazy that is the final part, as long as you get some of them and don't insta lose it ends a bit after that.

I had trouble at first but then I noticed you can move while pressing the button which means you can just spam it while you run.

thanks all you give me hope.

appreciate the sincere replies thank you a lot

Carn

Man they better not nerf it. It is a fun fight. Kinda sad its a one time only fight.

For tips on how to beat it... I'll assume you use a controller beings you dread the duty action button so bind that to something. Next zoom out and take note of the radius of your blast when you use the button. Then its a simple matter of playing Missile Command until the combat phase. There just stay out of the fire, and get under the shield when it pops up.

Was this the Lakshmi fight? If so I cleared that one first try as Ninja. It's basically one of those fights where you need to prioritize helping NPCs over all-out DPSing. Of course, you get your chance to all-out DPS in the end :)

Beat it 1st try, with a controller... while the ability was still locked to whatever button the game auto sets duty actions to (which is aparently R3, right analog stick click, when L2 or R2 are also pressed). How I did it I can't say for sure aside from I prioritized any orbs that got past Echo-user NPC's above all & to be fair if my memory is still right I, outa fear of a loss, used Sprint right before "She" arrived to help (felt like smooth sailing for me after as long as I keep to my previously mentioned rule)

Honestly only advice I can give is: stay mobile, & play ur craziest game of "Tower Defence" ever... & maybe bind the Duty action key to something easy to press while moving

When she releases a lot of them, look for when they intercept and then detonate. If you've played the old arcade game Missile Command, it's essentially that.

One-shotted. Move while using the action and watch for where they overlap. Pretend it's Space Invaders.

For me the winning strategy was to use Sprint when a lot of Orbs are released. I just wasn't fast enough without it.
Stay calm in the last part when you have to kill Lakshmi and do the mechanics (spread/stack) properly.
I was doing the challenge on a WHM and was really stressed about my lack of dps when she still had about 20% and her "wipe ya'll" ability was about to go off.
But actually the challenge ended before we killed her so... stay calm, execute the mechanics properly and use Sprint.

I had a lot of trouble with this, playing with mouse and keyboard. The thing that saved me was when I decided to Keybind the Duty Action button.

Trying to use the mouse for navigation, then clicking the button on the screen, then going back to mouse navigation wasn't working for me.

I bound the Duty Action to "F", which is Face Target. After beating the duty, I restored the default keybinds.

Hope this helps someone.

Beat it first time. some aetherballs got really close but none hit anyone.

Persistence....persistence wins out.

Course i did this as a white mage....so yeah..kinda cheated...if you want to call it that.

I used to play this game called missile defense, only this time I got to be the intercepting projectile

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

I used to play this game called missile defense, only this time I got to be the intercepting projectile

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Did you get the UFO? XD

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Did you get the UFO? XD

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Lakshmi was the UFO and you know what happened to her lol

Yeah, it took 2 tries for me, and I see it looks like controller players, like me, have an advantage since we can run around and hit the button freely from the default.

So I echo the advice of putting the duty action on an easy to reach spot on your hotbar.

As for the combat half, it's mostly tge same as Lakshmi, save you need to keep under Fordola's sheild instead of timing the vril. Everyone spreads out enough for Lakshmi's special AoEs, too, so keep tabs on the party the same as the HM fight. Arenvald is the main tank, and Lyse will LB when you get Lakshmi low enough.

When Lyse starts the monk LB animation, you did it!

Found it very easy and beat it on my first try. Just used my Ast. If you not done it before watch the video of it.

I grabbed a handful of Max potions from the MB as backup as well.

Did this one as a RDM. Took a couple tries, but I got through once I knew what to expect. It definitely helps once you figure out you can move forward while the duty action is cast. This was also when I finally figured out after months of playing that duty actions could be done on the PS4 controller by pressing R3 instead of using the touchpad to mouse over it, which made a world of difference lol.

Some first-time fights can be failed easily, you just have to "get used" to the mechanic and go on.

If I fail a solo duty I don't feel hurt in my ego or frustrated because I didn't done something "at first try" but... if something like that happened while I were streaming on twitch I maybe can feel a bit embarassed, 'tho...

On your case, take note the skill is aoe and if you use that near spawn place you can kill a lot of bubbles in one shot.

It took me one try to beat it. All I did was go after the spheres I run to, and sprint if necessary.

None of these suggestions worked. for mouse and keyboard which is what i have nadda.

i do not know how to keybind the special action there is no way to click on it and move it to the hot bar like you can with skills. so i am stuck.

To keybind the special action on PC, do the following:

1. Press the "P" key to access the Actions & Traits tab.
2. Under the Actions & Traits tab, click on the "General" word. It should display stuff like Auto-Attack, Sprint, Etc.
3. From the stuff avaiable in the General section, click and drag the "Duty Action" hotbar onto an empty hotbar that you can access easily when the duty starts.

Hope this helps.

Also, here is a video to done from the bard POV (not mine btw): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNoZzemCNxo

Focus on the orbs closest to the npcs.

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None of these suggestions worked. for mouse and keyboard which is what i have nadda.

i do not know how to keybind the special action there is no way to click on it and move it to the hot bar like you can with skills. so i am stuck.

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System > Keybind >Hotbar> Bottom of the list

https://i.imgur.com/9KbncTl.png

You can keybind it for the most comfortable button for this specific fight and then unbind

I failed this duty like 5-6 times. I move with my mouse, so having to click the Duty Actions meant that I'd come to a full stop before I could perform actions. I tried moving with WASD, but I'm unpracticed with that. But as soon as I found out I could keybind the Duty Actions (and did), I was able to complete it that next time.

It was infuriating failing so many times; but once I figured out the "trick", it was a refreshing challenge.

Pretty sure I cleared this in one go as a SAM, but I might have died once. Can't remember. Either way, it wasn't that bad imo. Just gotta keep your head on a swivel. There's a lot to take in. It is all mechanics people should have seen by now, just in quick succession.

Am tank so I'm used to keeping an eye on the field with a lot of crazy camera twirling. Figured out after a few uses of the duty action that it was an AoE and that it had no cast time. Promptly ran back and forth spamming it where the orb paths intersected for best efficiency. You can calculate trajectory based on the lines they leave behind. As she releases more orbs, they will get closer and closer (to make you feel genuinely panicked, haha). Arenvald pulls his weight pretty well so you really only have to actively worry about your side (I kept an eye on him anyway, never trust NPCs who are stated to be noobs in game). I did not worry about DPS once I realized the point was to save the other NPCs. If you try to DPS during that portion, you will fail. I am used to using my arrow keys in other games to navigate so had no problem switching around.

I did not use sprint and the orbs got very close, but cleared it on the first try and watched all the unbelievably cool stuff go down. Fun times!

Just hovering over the duty action should instantly tell everyone that it's both AoE and instant. That's why people should actually read the darned tooltips.
This instance is easy. It's literally following a script. I wasted time by going after the bubbles that Arenvald was about to pop (since at early parts there really was nothing better to do) and I still hardly let any bubbles go past the top half.

The bubbles have specific paths and come out as groups. If you pay attention to that, you can time your use of the skill to hit no less than four. Ignore Lakshmi. Don't bother dealing damage to her, it's irrelevant. Never stop (except early on when there are no bubbles). Keep to right side where Arenvald and Fordola do not come, but do keep in mind that sometimes they will let a bubble or two past them, so sprint for a save. While you're going there and back, destroy the bubbles on the way.

No matter what, you should set up your game in such a way as to be able to use the skill on the fly without interrupting movement. If you cannot do that...then you're going to be severely handicapped in this. Using mouse for skills and movement both is not considered a priority set-up, so the game is not optimally balanced for such delays. It's still not impossible with really good reaction time and precision, but people that use it generally do so exactly because they lack that when using the computers in the first place, mixing keys or having to look at the keyboard and such. So yeah...

Managed it first time as BLM despite dreading it due to what I read on here often enough. Turns out it wasn't that bad. Think being on PS4 helps as to use duty action I just have to press L/R 2 to activate my hotbar and then R3 for duty action (push movement stick in) dead easy. One time being a console player helps lol. just run about and spam the DA button. :D

Was this duty really that hard? One-shoted but loved that they threw it in for a nice change of pace.

This sux bad. How do you bind the action button? I tried clicking and dragging it and does not work.

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This sux bad. How do you bind the action button? I tried clicking and dragging it and does not work.

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It's in the skills/actions menu under General. It's called Duty Action.

I loved it. Don't get what's so difficult about it since you can destroy 4 balls at the same time. You have plenty of time even if you have to click the action button.
Looking forward to more of this stuff. Fighting a primal together with other NPCs certainly helps to create bonds with them. It's not just "We will go do some research and press some buttons."

I think it needs a checkpoint just after the first orb phase because if you mess up the second one just after the action sequence you arent gonna want to slog through the first part again just because Se are sadists, but otherwise its an ok fight...though wtf is rubahn doeing staying in the fight when he doesnt have the echo? silly man is just asking for trouble lol

as I have her at 0.1% for 5mins and nothing happens

Was it hard found it very easy and beat it on first try. I Ran it as a healer and had no problems with it.