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We are a group of people, people with real lives, that means kids and spouses and sometimes we have to go afk. That really shouldn't be a problem in this game, as it say you have XX minutes to finish the dungeon.
So please remove the 10 minutes inactivity. I can't really see the advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by Nefea

We are a group of people, people with real lives, that means kids and spouses and sometimes we have to go afk. That really shouldn't be a problem in this game, as it say you have XX minutes to finish the dungeon.
So please remove the 10 minutes inactivity. I can't really see the advantage of it.

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honestly it should be lowered to 5.

People should know better than to commit to a dungeon/raid/trial and not have the time to finish it.
And even then - if your AFK for that long - you WILL be kicked by your own party...unless its an private party.
Bad enough we have speed run morons..we don't need prolific AFK'ers making it worse.
You have my sympathies if your dealing with family stuff - but like i said...you don't have any business getting into things like this if you cant dedicate the time to it. Its why they made the "join duty in progress" option on duty finder.

I so agree with this Nephtis, you prop will be kicked after 2-3 minutes. Sometimes even less
There is no way in hell i'm waiting 10 minutes for someone to return from familiy matters. Call me selfish if you want.

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Originally Posted by Nefea

We are a group of people, people with real lives, that means kids and spouses and sometimes we have to go afk. That really shouldn't be a problem in this game, as it say you have XX minutes to finish the dungeon.
So please remove the 10 minutes inactivity. I can't really see the advantage of it.

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If something so important came up that you have to AFK for 10 minutes or more—especially if it involved your family or a work/school obligation—then you should honestly remove yourself from the instance, rather than try and force the other people in your party to wait for you. I feel like asking that of complete strangers is incredibly selfish. What about their time? Your time is not more important than theirs, and while it would suck having to requeue at a later time, that is the (for lack of a better word) “sacrifice” you make in a video game when real life takes priority.

The AFK timer is in place to prevent people from trying to mooch off of a run, and honestly, 10 minutes is incredibly generous with regards to instances that can take 15-20 minutes, if not less for a trial duty. And while I wouldn’t call you “mooching” for having to step away from the game to take care of your family, I would call you rude for expecting others that don’t even know you to wait on you just because you don’t want to have to requeue later when you’re free. If something comes up, quietly and politely apologize and remove yourself. People will be far more understanding of that as opposed to “My son is crying—please wait for 15 minutes while I go and take care of him, because I don’t want to have to requeue later when I’m free.” Waiting would be courteous, but no one is obligated to extend this courtesy to you. Your time is not more important than anyone else’s.

But why can't they just deactivate the AFK timer in preformed parties?

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Originally Posted by Legion88

But why can't they just deactivate the AFK timer in preformed parties?

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Relaxing the AFKick for preformed parties would be reasonable.

Expecting strangers in DF to commit to a sitting and doing nothing for fifteen to twenty minutes, when this is how long dungeon is supposed to take, isn't though.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Relaxing the AFKick for preformed parties would be reasonable.

Expecting strangers in DF to commit to a sitting and doing nothing for fifteen to twenty minutes, when this is how long dungeon is supposed to take, isn't though.

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Agreed to be sure.

Agree that this is reasonable with a pre-formed party. Disagree 100% with DF strangers. Unless im mistaken, a pre-formed cant ask the que for a replacement if someone drops - so an option to remove the AFK timer in that instance does seem fine. Personally, if I regularly had to go AFK for more then half the time it takes to complete a dungeon(or any other regular task - almost all of them in this game take very little actual time) i would examine how the game fit into my life and make sure it was right for me.

I mean, I understand that if you're a parent, your kids are a responsibility. But if i don't know you and we just met 5 minutes ago in DF, they aren't my problem or my responsibility. I'm not gonna just sit for twenty minutes while you deal with them. You had plenty of time to think the world revolved around you when you were a kid yourself. You don't know what the rest of us have planned that day or what's going on in our lives; please don't expect us to forego our free time just so you can still be in a dungeon when you get back. You do and you'll come back to find yourself standing by a mb with the words "you have been removed from the duty" on your screen, because if I have somewhere to be in an hour and have yet to get ready, I'm not twiddling my thumbs for twenty minutes while you tend to your rl life. I doubt anyone else would either. We have lives of our own, and no one else's responsibilities are anymore important than our own.

Now if it's just for 5 minutes or so, I'm more than willing to let you take a quick break. Life happens, I understand that. But when the amount of time the party spends waiting starts to get into "this guy should have at least come back and said something by now" territory, that's when your actions start to be disrespectful to others. I realize that first paragraph might sound a little harsh, but you don't need to be spending so much time away that you cause a ten minute inactivity timer to kick in without making sure your group are okay with that kind of time commitment first. That's why the timer exists in the first place. Because people are rude.

Can't you just auto-run into a corner to avoid getting kicked?

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Can't you just auto-run into a corner to avoid getting kicked?

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Please don't give abusers any ideas.

And expect to get kicked if your caught doing said action....minimum reported.

Private party is one thing..but in roulette/DF's? No way.

AFK timer is there for a reason. if a person leaves its more likely they will be replaced and or the party will abandon the instance, freeing up space for another party to use. it's all about efficiency.

You seem to be a busy person OP. You probably don't have much time in your day to play due to your IRL responsibilities. Would you REALLY be ok with spending a good chunk of your limited free time waiting for someone to deal with their own issues in the middle of a game?

It's the personal responsibility of the player to ensure they have the time to finish what they queue up for. When the unexpected happens and you'll have to be away for more than 5 min or so, let people know and they'll probably eject you so you don't get a penalty. If you're going to be gone for a very long time or aren't sure if/when you can make it back, be polite and leave after saying "sorry I have to go".

I don't have sympathy for people trying to play group content in MMOs when they know there's a really good chance they'll have to AFK and inconvenience the rest of the party. Do some of the many solo activities the game offers, queue as a pre-made with people who understand and know what to expect from you, make sure you have back-up to handle the issues if you can arrange it, or play something else that won't impact other people. No one's telling you not to play just because you have responsibilities but at the same time your obligations are not our problem- it's up to you to figure out when and how you can play without needing to go AFK for extended periods of time. That's just part of being a responsible person and a considerate player.

The only time I've ever run afoul of this was when I was running an adventurer squadron dungeon, and someone called me away for help on another game. Getting back to find out I'd been kicked out of the dungeon was sad, but I'm not going to ask that they remove the feature.

I'm mildly surprised it's an actual thing, since I'd drop from an actual party (or be kicked) if it took me that long to do something.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I'm mildly surprised it's an actual thing, since I'd drop from an actual party (or be kicked) if it took me that long to do something.

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The servers can only handle a certain amount of instances running at the same time. Anyone who had Stormblood early access and got stuck on Raubahn Extreme or Pippin Savage can tell you that(and likely complain a ton while they were at it). So the inactivity timer in a solo duty(whether quest initiated, undersized, squadron, or PotD) is there to make sure "unused" instances keep being freed up for the rest of the players to use so that we dont get to that cap. For groups they probly assume we'll kick the AFK person after some length of time(its on the kick menu afterall). The timer then prevents one specific type of griefing(someone goes afk and their friend in the party blocks kick attempts forever).