Fates And How To Fix Them [Hopes for more open world content]

In a recent interview, Yoshi-P talked about wanting to add more into the world to get players out and about with repeatable content.
While I have many ideas and requests like adding lock boxes as drops from FATES, there is a lot they can do to improve them especially when you no longer need XP to level.

A few quick notes:

• Add a small amount of endgame currency when you no longer need XP, it shouldn't be that much, but a good option while you wait in queue.
• Update Seals (all types) as a possible drop
• Add new fates (red?) that are super hard boss versions (basically take some of the diadem and put it in the open world)
• Add World Fates :)

More context to this request here -
https://youtu.be/NTM-kAMCzcE

There just needs to be an incentive for endgame and mid level players to engage in fates. As it stands, roulettes and dungeons are the best exp/hr where FATE's are a slow crawl.


How about a Wonderous Tails FATE edition? You get a book of FATEs and stickers that can give you rewards and can be repeatable. Those rare minions and large chunks of gil would be enough incentive to get people to do them.

Yes please! I do like the content in the game, however more content sounds good to me.

I would still love to see more open world content that encourages players to work together. I think creating a second tier to Battlecraft leves which offers a difficult challenge with a random surprise each time would be great too! Include level sync and everyone can do it.

Conquest from Final Fantasy XI came to mind while listening to the idea about the server/s uniting. I would like to see something similar to that again. I do sometimes miss the old days where I could spend an evening doing one activity for a longer period of time, while also talking to my group.

I would really like for Medium sized FATE groups to be a thing still. I loved the open world gameplay.

I wouldn't want lockboxes - leave those for freemium games.

I do think that FATEs need some more love though. Perhaps they could:
- Bump up exp/hr to to make FATEs a viable alternative to PotD / Squadrons (I know, "but FATE leveling doesn't teach your class", well PotD doesn't either)
- Expand the Stormblood bonus EXP system to all zones
- Increase gil and seal rewards
- Maybe (re)introduce DotL / DotH FATEs (I think 1.0 had something similar?)

The realistic thing needed to revitalize fates is the very same thing the devs are trying to avoid: world-building and reputation system similar to beast tribes except it would be called the Community Hero system (tentative title). For example, if you complete the fate in little ala mhigo--the one where you're fending off worms from the...U' tribe I believe?--you get heroic points that can be spent on various rewards.

And it doesn't have to be combat based only either.

We need DoL/DoH fates. Help mine areas to enrich the economic progress of nearby villages/towns and you get recognition points. Uldah has refuge problems. Have a fate where you switch between gathering and using your DoH skills to help them build tents or clothes.

The possibilites to really re-energize fates and even creates stories with them are endless. And yes, I know the idea will be given the usual spiel of "SE haz no resources for that/development costs/etc" but ultimately, if they want people to enjoy or get more out of fates, that's what it needs.

POTD and PvP are what from my understanding killed the Fates. Take away XP from those and you would see people running fates again. SB is a giant leap in terms of hp/damage at 60 so it's either go to SB areas and hope you can survive the fates or run back to HW where you don't have to worry about anything other than a A/S rank popping on you, but lesser XP. After 62 you can run new dungeons until 70 with no issues and then of course daily roulettes. Fates in SB give quite a bit of good xp with buffs for xp but they're really hard to solo until the gear starts leveling out with the damage and defense of mobs. Fates from my understanding are pretty much just the books/NM's combined into 1 thing from XI and from what i've seen of 1.0 it didn't have any fates (could be wrong, not 100% sure on that).

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Originally Posted by Shouko

POTD and PvP are what from my understanding killed the Fates. Take away XP from those and you would see people running fates again.

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But then it becomes a circular problem.

We need a solution where a player can pretty much spin a coin on what he/she wants to do between those three (pvp/potd/fates) and still be satisfied that it landed on one that won't gimp him/her on rewards

It would have to give me a coin or something for a piece of 340 gear. (or whatever the most current gear is). Why else would I spend my time.

I can tell you if there was a way to get current ilvl gear, everyone and their alt would be out doing fates.

They really need to fix the scaling from going out of control because a hunt group or whatever rolled through. Even better would just be not making the outside world not so over-scaled.

I play a lot of GW2 so the first thing that comes to mind is having map specific events that come up based on Fates done on the map. Have a big cool event, maybe even just a more difficult Fate with good rewards, spawn if other Fates are done in the area. Chains of Fates that have a series of events that lead up to the big one. Something that people would want to do that isn't like hunts where it just randomly spawns every X number of hours. Might be too hard to implement but that's what would get me to bother doing Fates at level 70 when I'm bored and looking for something to do.

I've never played GW2 to know how it did open world content, but chain FATEs do exist.
However, there's specific type of FATEs to accomplish to trigger the next one, instead of being an amount done.

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Originally Posted by LilOtoto

Have a big cool event, maybe even just a more difficult Fate with good rewards, spawn if other Fates are done in the area. Chains of Fates that have a series of events that lead up to the big one.

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There are a few of those, actually. One, Ixion fate, led to a massive wave of server crashes while it was new...but once people got what they wanted from that fate, it died...

People won't do stuff just for the sake of story. Even IF they do, most won't want to redo the story again. Especially chaotic, fractured ones like world events can allow. As far as people go, chains of fates are just multiple different, individual fates, that may at least require less walking between them.

Fates need to give actual, competitive rewards. Either something "current", or something that is limited-use, like disposables (pots, food etc.) that cannot be gotten any other way and would be desired. Heck, giving a special-quality healing pots that have a cooldown separate from other pots would assure the fates would see people doing them, all the while not hurting the crafting classes (since their pots would still be needed alongside them).

The major issue with all of the big events is that they give one-time rewards (gear that you either have or not, as you cannot even have more even if you'd want for glamouring different classes differently), or rewards that are tied to crafting classes...which can get them differently, anyway. Fates don't even really have that, though, except for very few. THIS mindset of the developers need to change. Among the rewards, there NEEDS to be something with maintained value.