Will Thundaga be improved when Black Mage is released?
As of right now, I see no benefit to ever casting this spell.
Fighting regular mobs such as Amaj'aal Zahar(modifierlolz)'ak drubbers I decided to use it. It roughly, without buffs, does the same damage as Thundara or less. With buffs the most I have seen mine do is 1500 range.
My Gear is average Red Felt Robe of Casting+1, Red hat of Intelligence, Boarskin Ringband of Storms, Raptorskin Belt, Woolen Tights, Vintage Cudgel, warlock pattens, with 4 Black Pearl Rings, and Thalassian Targe.
Materia only on My Hat with Intelligence giving it 20 Inteliigence, and the Materia with +7 to both Piety/Intelligence on the woolen tights.
It costs 546 Mp, that's 168 more MP than Thundara. It's bonus isn't noticeable after being used. It has a cast time of 5 seconds which doesn't give much time to be buffed before the combo ends.
Making it instant cast, I don't feel will help it out, this thing needs to do 1500 damage without buffs or critical hits. Reason is Thunder, costs 210, does around 400-600 damage, while thundera ,costs 378 which is 168 more Mp to do 600-800 more damage. So Thundaga should be able to do 600-800 more damage than thundara, and be instant cast with it's large recast and a noticeable critical bonus after.
I would also like a hat emote, where I adjust my hat like Vivi in FFIX.
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01-10-2012, 07:30 AMJinrya-GekiThundaga Combo
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01-10-2012, 07:33 AMDeadRiser
What? Not everything has to do crazy damage. Damage is damage. You'll know when is the best time to use Thundaga.
I think people are tied up with thinking they HAVE to do and finish combos. You don't lol. -
01-10-2012, 07:38 AMninesunz
ITS GLOWING I MUST PRESS IT.......!
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01-10-2012, 07:41 AMKeftenk
Thundaga will have even less of a use in 1.21 when Black Mages get Burst. Burst combos off of Thundara and is instant cast. Poor balancing is at work here.
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01-10-2012, 07:41 AMCrystalWeaponThought the spell combos counted as long as you start your spell cast before the counter timmer reaches 0. When I start casting thundaga at 1 second left, the icon for it stays highlighted (active combo) until the spell finishes regardless of when the timmer runs out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
I could be wrong though.
Also @ DeadRiser:
Don't argue things simply for arguements sake. Generally as a mage a higher spell cost equates to higher damage and or similar damage with added effects. If it does less damage, takes longer to cast, doesn't have the stun effect, and costs 168 more mp, the man has a right to complain. -
01-10-2012, 07:45 AMEstelliosIIRC Burst's damage increases as your HP drops so it's main use seems to be a final attack before you drop or to use right after Convert. Its damage will probably be lower or similar to Thundaga's if your HP is high. If that's the case then Thundaga's crit bonuses will push it ahead in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keftenk
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01-10-2012, 07:46 AMDeadRiserHow do you know it's instant cast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keftenk
Or that it does more damage?
Or how long the recast timer is? -
01-10-2012, 07:59 AMKeftenkIt does, but that's its combo bonus. Thundaga's is increased critical damage, which is a harder check to achieve over lower HP. There is no doubt that using Burst after Convert is the ideal way to increase its damage, as well as there is no doubt that it will be incredibly risky to do. Especially after a Thunder > Thundara combo. Tanks will rage at the enmity change lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
However, because its instant cast and because it's only a 5 second recast makes it far more better then Thundaga (in theory). The only issue is going to be DMG:MP. Enmity is always an issue so I leave that out.
The chance to crit both spells is equal, just Thundaga gets a modifier if it occurs. It's just all speculation at this point though.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
We know its instant cast from data mining, of course everything is always subject to change, but I'll take the information we have now about it over not knowing anything about it. I never said it would do more damage by the way... -
01-10-2012, 08:04 AMEstellios
Really I guess you just have to hope to get lucky with Excruciate. I'm not high enough for Enhanced Excruciate or Thundaga so I unfortunately can't provide any input on it. It would be neat if you could Excruciate but combo'ing wouldn't activate criticals until that final spell.
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Your spell has to finish before the timer runs out. Guess who Aerora'd a group of Amaal'ja trying to solo when testing out the new combo system =PQuote:
Thought the spell combos counted as long as you start your spell cast before the counter timmer reaches 0. When I start casting thundaga at 1 second left, the icon for it stays highlighted (active combo) until the spell finishes regardless of when the timmer runs out.
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01-10-2012, 08:07 AMEdenArchangel
Thundaga is definitely off. I can barely get it to critical (even with +23 rate) unless I use excruciate. And the question is (using average Ifrit numbers) why would I save excruciate's effect for a 600critical(250 normal) thundaga instead of staying with my 800critical(550normal) thundara?
This definitely needs to be looked at before Burst implementation, unless their plan all along was to create a new BLM spell without creating one really... -
01-10-2012, 08:09 AMKeftenkExcuciate does help a lot, but it will not guarantee the crit. I would say just by eyeballing it, it's anywhere from 15-30% fail rate on the spell you want it to crit. on. I tried running Thundaga into my rotation for Ifrit, but the second I failed to crit Thundaga I instantly fell behind in DPS and MP management. It's a gamble. You need it to crit to make it worthwhile (in 1.20), should change with Convert. Convert should allow more room for error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
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01-10-2012, 09:58 AMJynxexcruciate crit chance increases over time, stack that with some crit potency materia and you can get very potent Thundaga combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
Generally my order for Thundaga combo runs as.
Thunder > Excruciate > Thundara > Buffs > Thundaga and more often than not I'll get my crit off. Obviously it has limited use due to the time it takes to properly pull it off but when you need that damage spike real bad and don't need to worry about hate. Works like a charm.
I think my highest hit was 22-2300 on rank 52 toxic toads or something to that extent. Can't say I have killed Amaljaa enough to remember how high it was. -
01-10-2012, 12:58 PMCoglinLooks like its possible it will get better with BLMQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
BLM Mag. 1 Deals lightning damage to target...... Combo: THM Magic 9, Bonus: Lower health yields greater damage.
Mostly though, it looks like fire will get the most benefit from BLM
BLM Mag. 3 Deals fire damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict DoT effect. -
01-10-2012, 01:37 PMKeftenk
That's Burst......and Flare. BLM also gets Freeze.
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01-10-2012, 01:45 PMCoglinDid they release a list of names for the jobs ability list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keftenk
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01-10-2012, 01:50 PMKeftenk
Data mine, at least the tooltip text of what the spells do matches exactly to the list they released for the job abilities/magics. I think that's good enough to assume that they are Burst, Flare, and Freeze,
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01-10-2012, 02:01 PMCoglin
Yeah, I can agree that this is enough to logically believe those will be the names, thanks for the info, never occured to data mine once since the update.