Fix Long Dungeon Queue's (Feature request) idea!

So I have a couple ideas, most important first.

1. I tried the new Squad dungeons and they work well. I think this idea could make it so we are no longer waiting for Queue for more than 5 minutes. If they allowed us to take our squad into dungeons to fill the holes. I think we Queue and wait 5 minutes for other people to join if after 5 minutes we don't have a tank or healer then it just allows us to fills with our Squad members. They would have to allow us to level them to 70 though and also I was thinking it would be cool for us to be able to gear them with armor as well, to make them stronger in the dungeons, kind of like gearing your retainer.

2. This probably won't happen but would like some high heels options in the game for the girls. And the wedding boot's are nice but not really high heels.

I don't know why it's so funny that the high heel request is placed as a suggestion to make dungeon queues shorter :D

(Unisex, please; there's no legitimate reason any boots, gloves or hats should ever be female-only.)

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Originally Posted by Serilda

(Unisex, please; there's no legitimate reason any boots, gloves or hats should ever be female-only.)

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Especially when you look at real history...it was actually the men who wore heels more often than not.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I don't know why it's so funny that the high heel request is placed as a suggestion to make dungeon queues shorter :D

(Unisex, please; there's no legitimate reason any boots, gloves or hats should ever be female-only.)

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You could even say that the first suggestion idea made a...heeling halt!

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I've only dragged Nanasomi and the other two irrelevant squadmates through Halatali and Brayflox's, neither of which are too mechanic-laden. Will the AI of our squad be able to keep up with later dungeons, or does it need more tuning first? This is a good idea, regardless, moreso for years down the road when less people are playing.

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Originally Posted by Disappoint

I've only dragged Nanasomi and the other two irrelevant squadmates through Halatali and Brayflox's, neither of which are too mechanic-laden. Will the AI of our squad be able to keep up with later dungeons, or does it need more tuning first? This is a good idea, regardless, moreso for years down the road when less people are playing.

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I took two archers and a conjurer into Wanderer's, had almost no problems(only when they decided not to follow me so they weren't being smacked around by the giant Tonberry....)

It would be quite fun to allow premades at least to fill up on squad members. I could run some with my wife, who doesn't have the patience to wrangle three unruly NPCs on her own before raging and letting them all die.

I would love more high heel options. The AI however is pretty bad when it comes to mechanics so idk how well they would operate.

ok high heels isn't related but still something I want. Fine have it for the male characters as well idc. lol. If any of the devs ever look at these I didn't what them to miss the high heels. Plus it shows you're more skilled if you can fight monsters in high heels. everyone says they want more of a challenge. LOL

Please no. Let an MMO stay an MMO and not a Game to play with NPCs

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Originally Posted by Baci

Please no. Let an MMO stay an MMO and not a Game to play with NPCs

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MMO means there's a ton of other people in the game world and that's it. If people want to run with npcs they should be able to.

i just meant if it was taking 30 minutes to Q as DPS then they just have the option to use a squad member, they wouldn't be forced to, primary would still be too pickup people for the first 5 minutes then you have the option after that. If you like just sitting there waiting for 30 minute Queues you can still do that.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Please no. Let an MMO stay an MMO and not a Game to play with NPCs

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Agreed x100 Also......high heels to go out slaying monsters......uncomfortable to say the least.

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Originally Posted by VickyGirl

i just meant if it was taking 30 minutes to Q as DPS then they just have the option to use a squad member, they wouldn't be forced to, primary would still be too pickup people for the first 5 minutes then you have the option after that. If you like just sitting there waiting for 30 minute Queues you can still do that.

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My suggestion is to find things to do while waiting for that queue to pop. The reason DPS have long queues is that the role is essentially overpopulated compared to healer and tank. Part of this is the generic trend of MMORPG populations that generally follow this trend unless game balance causes healers or tanks to be OP. Also another factor is that we only have 3 healer and tank jobs but a total of 9 DPS jobs.

As far as the adventure squad filling slots... I'd rather not have my healer and or tank in every group be a bot.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Please no. Let an MMO stay an MMO and not a Game to play with NPCs

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Except the suggestion is being made due to lack of other players/roles being available. MMO is all well and good until you have to waste 30mins+ just to do a simple dungeon. (if you only have 2-3hrs to play, thats a huge deal)

Options need to be available

The Command missions seem like a beta for eventually adding in NPCs to fight alongside players in dungeons. It'll probably work the same as Undersized parties though in that you can't use them in instances that are considered current content, once they get added atleast.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Please no. Let an MMO stay an MMO and not a Game to play with NPCs

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Wish I could like this comment 1400 times.
I used to play an mmo that added what the OP is asking and it turned the mmorpg into a desert where people play alone with their little controllable party.

That's what you do in dying mmos

A suggestion that works with what we have is to make more/funner tanks. Add 2 new and unique tanks as new jobs in 5.0 for example.

Also you should consider joining small FCs with people who would help you tank dungeons. Big FCs don't do that ironically.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

The Command missions seem like a beta for eventually adding in NPCs to fight alongside players in dungeons. It'll probably work the same as Undersized parties though in that you can't use them in instances that are considered current content, once they get added atleast.

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One can only hope... New players learn absolutely nothing from the rush-grubs infesting the leveling roulettes, where most mechanics are ignored anyway.

I always liked the idea of a roulette in which one would receive some sort of exp multiplier for having different types of jobs unlocked. For example, have a dps and healer that meet an ilvl requirement for a certain set of roulettes? 1.5 the normal xp and you play whichever based on community need but all exp goes to the job you queued up with at the time. Another increase to the exp modifier if one also possesses a tank that meets the minimum ilvl for whichever roulette you fancy, thereby allowing you the greatest utility.
Ilvl could lock people out the same way levels do, not allowing one to queue into roulette duties that require a higher ilvl than one posseses on said class.
I feel as though that would not only have the potential to speed up the queues for dps as not everyone would end up as what they originally queued as, it would also add excitement as well as a possible appreciation for the different jobs and (though I feel I am dreaming) an added amount of patience and understanding for hopefully everyone in the DF. In reality it may just devolve into "I can do A with X skill, why can't you?" but I prefer to be optimistic. I also realize that many will have no interest in the exp modifier as their passion for a job or type will deter them, and such is fine, but those who simply want to level without the long waits could certainly take advantage of this.
For those who worry about this becoming a scenario akin to jump potions, I feel as though people that are good are good, or become so quickly. Those that aren't never quite catch up, so the issue isn't really people not playing their jobs thoroughly and being unable to assist a party at maximum potential, it is more that people will continue to play to their individual maximum potential regardless, they will just get to 70 faster, which will happen either way.
Don't want to to queue into the true roulettte? Don't! Simple enough. Perhaps queue times will be more equal now that others have the option. Mainly I just like the idea of not knowing what you will be doing, queue to queue. Sounds like my kind of spice. Just my two cents.

Getting flashbacks of Guild Wars all over again. Not necessarily a bad thing (if done right). There's pros and cons to doing this type of thing in an MMO though. Sure you can allow dps classes to use npcs (let's be real, they're the only ones waiting around for long periods of time) but just like in Guild Wars when this was implemented people became less social and you had less people to run with because everyone was now able to do it themselves. It becomes more of a solo experience than anything else at that point.

Just some things to keep in mind.

Role-less roulette seems like the pragmatic solution to this problem. First, it would have to be implemented in a way that the player can only choose either the lvling roulette or the role-less one for the day. Then the exp and rewards would have to be balanced to give pause to the choice, that way one roulette isn't necessarily overplayed than the other.

I'm aware PotD exists but it has reached its usefulness at lvl 60.

How about add more healer and tank jobs?

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

How about add more healer and tank jobs?

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They tried that in HW and supposedly it didn't really budge. The problem isn't that people don't have a healing or tanking job they like, but it's tanking and healing they dislike. I mean, that'll be nice for people who already play those roles, but unlikely it will make that much of a difference

So will we be oppressing the npcs or will they have full voting rights and be able to kick the scrub pc players from the group?

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Originally Posted by Jigoberz

all exp goes to the job you queued up with at the time.

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So you basically only ever tank and level all your jobs without playing them? Sorry my friend but that very point already doesn't work.

And on the squadron fill, if two dps queue up, one of which wants to just add his bots and one of which really doesn't want to, what happens then? Does the non-botter get to say no and anger the botter who'll likely just requeue, or does he get dragged in as soon as one person say fill with squad? I know I surely wouldn't want to play with bots, as they are simply put quite dumb.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

So will we be oppressing the npcs or will they have full voting rights and be able to kick the scrub pc players from the group?

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Next expansion: Final Fantasy XIV: Rebellion

Will you eat the blue popoto or red popoto?

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Next expansion: Final Fantasy XIV: Rebellion

Will you eat the blue popoto or red popoto?

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Purple. Boil'em & mash'em.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Especially when you look at real history...it was actually the men who wore heels more often than not.

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yeah some people forget that little tidbit of information. men added heels as a way to keep their boots in stirrups while riding, and was later adopted by male aristocrats as a way to look more important and imposing. then later become a status symbol for women.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They tried that in HW and supposedly it didn't really budge. The problem isn't that people don't have a healing or tanking job they like, but it's tanking and healing they dislike. I mean, that'll be nice for people who already play those roles, but unlikely it will make that much of a difference

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well more healing and tank jobs wont work because the reason most people dont like healing or tanking is because they are far more stressful than DPS. All a damage dealer needs to do is worry about themselves and pew pewing while tanks and healers need to not only worry about themselves but everyone else, either through healing damage or maintaining enmity. Very few people want to subject themselves to the stress of the role and any abuse that may come from failing even the smallest iota.

Yeah I agree about how stressful things can be. DPS can, to an extent, do their own thing. Healers and Tanks are two different mixes of having to be proactive and reactive with healers mostly depending on if you're regen or shields (shields are actually reactive as you respond to a cast attack, while regens can be used as a proactive healing to make your life easier throughout). Don't be proactive enough, your dps pulls for you. Not reactive enough, your tank died. There's a fun challenge in healing for me and I can enjoy tanking on a good group, but honestly if they didn't put those mounts behind the tanking achievements I wouldn't have bothered.

Meanwhile we're making some progress about the heels, I feel like.
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You want them to make queues shorter where your squad members fill the gaps? Ok then, if you're with another human player, who gets to bring their squad? Who might do everything they can to troll the hell out of you? Or maybe they're just so bad with the squad, you can never progress and you wasted MORE time instead of just waiting like a normal person.

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Originally Posted by Nuna

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MMO means there's a ton of other people in the game world and that's it. If people want to run with npcs they should be able to.

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multiplayer means you play with others that def was made after WoW which is not group centric.

but i agree if ppl want to run with npc to practice, I'm all for it. My g/f was running brayflox with npc as an ast to fine tune her cross hotbar since npc eat everything. Even made the npc do big pulls, just to get a more authetic experience. Also while we are at it, players act more like quiet npc anyway. unless raging.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

They tried that in HW and supposedly it didn't really budge. The problem isn't that people don't have a healing or tanking job they like, but it's tanking and healing they dislike. I mean, that'll be nice for people who already play those roles, but unlikely it will make that much of a difference

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it didn't ppl played them to try them but ppl who play tank stuck to it, people who played healer stuck to it.

i don't hate on ppl either tanking/healing is not for everyone. And this community kinda isn't that great when it comes to fresh tanks/healers. Not all ppl are bad/ rude to new tanks/healers but too much is forced on them.