Fieldcraft Demimateria III ?!?

Where does this come from? I've teamed up with some FC-mates so we can craft our i320 crafting and gathering sets, and this item eludes me. Someone suggested maybe it was from desynth, but most of the stuff I've read here indicates leveling desynth isn't useful and it doesn't seem like that would be the conclusion if all the new gear required something only obtainable through desynth. Any pointers/tips/advice welcome. Thanks!

you can trade certain items in to talan in mor dhona for FC3s.

Leatherworker Desynth - Best Man's Gaiters - 6k in Uldah is another option if you aren't doing trade in items for Talan.

Thanks for that. However, looking at the trade-ins for Talan for Demimateria (https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/T...s%20Miscellany), I don't see recipes for the items he wants. Are those from the Master I/II books or maybe the "Master Craftsmen: Demimateria" books (https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/T...ting%20Tomes)? If it's the master demimateria books, that requires leveling desynth enough to get the rank I demimateria to trade for the books to learn to make the items to trade for the rank III demimateria?

All the Demimateria types primarily come from desynth and it is the main reason desynth is of use. I myself have never seen nor heard of another methord of gaining but can not say 100% that is the case.
Talan in Mor Dhona is not viable for Fieldcraft Demimateria III by the way. Yes you can trade with him for them but the items he trades for them all require 2 Fieldcraft Demimateria IIIs to make and he only gives 1 back (this was only there to reclaim some of the losses for the items being nq instead of hq back when items were traded for the tools)

Edit: Just to make a note, if your FC plans on keeping up to date with crafting and gatherering equipment as it comes out by making it yourself it is totally worth someone leveling their desynth to get FC3s (leatherworker has worked wonders for me in this) as they have been needed in just about every end game crafting since intruduction. at 50 was used to make the item traded for the tools, at 60 was used to make many pieces of the gear and 70 is the same again and so we can expect it to keep happening.

Talan is viable for turn ins, it's the Artisan Tools menu option you want. I traded in HQ silver brocades for Artisan's Needles and got a tidy heap of mastercraft demimateria, which is needed for the new main hands, and some fieldcraft III as well. Make sure to choose an artisan tool that you can desynth and craft the corresponding turn in, which is a Master book I recipe item.

If you run or have a fairly active FC, and have access to spending company credits you can usually get the Carbuncle Lantern or Table, and desynth that, it gives FC3s fairly frequently, costs no gil. I get around 1-2 stacks of FC3s per 300k or so

Interesting. The lantern and table are desynth’d as CRP? Is it possible to have desynth high enough on 2 crafts to do those as well as the NPC-bought boots with LTW?

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Interesting. The lantern and table are desynth’d as CRP? Is it possible to have desynth high enough on 2 crafts to do those as well as the NPC-bought boots with LTW?

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You can level desynth for up to three craft jobs.

You can probably do more than three now, with as much as cap has been raised. Just check the desynth level of the items in question, which is most likely not anywhere very high at this point.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

Talan is viable for turn ins, it's the Artisan Tools menu option you want. I traded in HQ silver brocades for Artisan's Needles and got a tidy heap of mastercraft demimateria, which is needed for the new main hands, and some fieldcraft III as well. Make sure to choose an artisan tool that you can desynth and craft the corresponding turn in, which is a Master book I recipe item.

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Uhhmm, if they still have to desynth the tool, it's not really viable for OP since they were trying to avoid desynth...
But yeah. Only other option is paying out the nose on the MB, since all the desynth crafters know their skill/luck/time is in demand.

Trade in Red Scrips for level 60 crafting / gathering gear at the splendor vendor. Desynth.

Red gathering scrips are especially easy to get and you can get a lot of trade ins for gear.
I got about 60 FC III this way before 4.0 came out...and I had taken a 6+ month hiatus too. It's easy if you took the time to level desynthesis.

I use the level 50 gear you get in exchange for HQ silver brocade (or something like that) in Mor D as the thing I use to desynth. I get about 50/50 with the master ones but since each weapon takes 3, it isn't as bad as during HW.

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Where does this come from? I've teamed up with some FC-mates so we can craft our i320 crafting and gathering sets, and this item eludes me. Someone suggested maybe it was from desynth, but most of the stuff I've read here indicates leveling desynth isn't useful and it doesn't seem like that would be the conclusion if all the new gear required something only obtainable through desynth. Any pointers/tips/advice welcome. Thanks!

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You do get Demimateria from desynthesis, yes. It is one of the few things desynth is useful for, which is why most people think that desynth is not worth the bother.
If you do not want to level desynth skills yourself, you can usually find Demimateria on the Marketboard - although be aware that the more useful variants tend to get a bit pricey.

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Thanks for that. However, looking at the trade-ins for Talan for Demimateria (https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/T...s%20Miscellany), I don't see recipes for the items he wants. Are those from the Master I/II books or maybe the "Master Craftsmen: Demimateria" books (https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/T...ting%20Tomes)? If it's the master demimateria books, that requires leveling desynth enough to get the rank I demimateria to trade for the books to learn to make the items to trade for the rank III demimateria?

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The recipes are from the Master I books, but since the items in question typically require FC3 demimateria to craft in the first place they are a somewhat suboptimal way of acquiring FC3 demimateria.
(You need HQ items for the Master II books, but only NQ items for the FC3 demimateria - so it looks like a way to recover at least a little of the materials for failed attempts at HQ.)

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

You can probably do more than three now, with as much as cap has been raised. Just check the desynth level of the items in question, which is most likely not anywhere very high at this point.

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You can only max out the desynth skill for three classes at a time, but if you are satisified with a lower level of desynth skill you can probably get it to a decent level in several classes

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

You can only max out the desynth skill for three classes at a time, but if you are satisified with a lower level of desynth skill you can probably get it to a decent level in several classes

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Was my point. For the purposes of just getting the demis, you don't need to cap anything, far as I'm aware.

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Originally Posted by killstein

you can trade certain items in to talan in mor dhona for FC3s.

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The items he exchanges for FCIII take FCIII to make. HQ can be exchanged for tools or gear but if you botch your synth and get NQ, those items can be traded so you get half your FCIIIs back. It is not possible to get FCIII this way.

Sorry OP, but desynthing or the MB are your only options.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

The items he exchanges for FCIII take FCIII to make. HQ can be exchanged for tools or gear but if you botch your synth and get NQ, those items can be traded so you get half your FCIIIs back. It is not possible to get FCIII this way.

Sorry OP, but desynthing or the MB are your only options.

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Yeah, I'd gotten that from some earlier responses. Thanks for the very clear write-up, though. Hopefully that'll serve as a guide to future crafters. Since making that post, I went out and just ground desynth from 0 to 98 crafting stuff and desynthing it all. Now I just buy shoes in Ul'duah and play the desynth lotto to get my FC-III's.

In case you need Mastercraft demimateria later, Artisan's Specs are now available from Grand Company (need to be 1st lieutenant) for 5000 seals a pair to desyn. ;)

If you have weaver or blacksmith de synthesis and need G3 shroud soil. You can unearth III and kings yield I, grab your soil and 10 HQ ores (don’t remember name offhand and assuming you are 70 miner). Go to talan get either the foragers hat (10HQ ore) or foragers pickaxe (20HQ ore) and desynth those. :)

Demi III come from desynth as others have said. Most of it coming from Mor Dhona trade in but the direct for Demi III trade in, is not a true option. The items you see being asked for in trade for Demi III are NQ "fails" for the HQ requirement for the original Master 1 and 2 books. They require 2xDemi III to make. The cash in for NQ to recover one of the Demi III was put in to soften the blow.

Most use Jeweler because they decided that Artisan's Spectacles were untradeable but not unique where all the other Artisan stuff remains unique so you can only have one at a time. Long story short, you need to desynth for them.

The Spectacles are generally better for Fieldcraft Demimateria III.

The Tools are generally better for Mastercraft Demimateria.

Hell, I think the Tools are better for FC3 too.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

In case you need Mastercraft demimateria later, Artisan's Specs are now available from Grand Company (need to be 1st lieutenant) for 5000 seals a pair to desyn. ;)

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Yikes! That's pricey. For 200 seals per venture you can use a miner retainer to get 9 gold ore I believe (level 50). That gets you 3 rose gold nuggets (combined with 3 copper ore which is super cheap at vender), and takes 2 nuggets to make one rose gold cog to turn in for a pair of glasses at Talan in RT. So average over multiple ventures is 267 seals = one pair of Artisan's Specs

Am I mathing right? (not online rn). 5000 seals just seems so excessive comparatively if this is correct.

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Originally Posted by RojGardoth

Yikes! That's pricey. For 200 seals per venture you can use a miner retainer to get 9 gold ore I believe (level 50). That gets you 3 rose gold nuggets (combined with 3 copper ore which is super cheap at vender), and takes 2 nuggets to make one rose gold cog to turn in for a pair of glasses at Talan in RT. So average over multiple ventures is 267 seals = one pair of Artisan's Specs

Am I mathing right? (not online rn). 5000 seals just seems so excessive comparatively if this is correct.

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Yeah, the turn-in method at Talan is still the cheapest. Spending 5K seals is definitely "burning" the seals... It is a viable option when you have a zillion seals to spare though, but no time to make the cogs. I've been leveling multiple DoM/DoW, so I just got way too many seals... Anyway, like magnanimousCynic said, specs aren't even the best option for Mastercraft. The tools are. But they're even more expensive... if I remember correctly, each tool is like 7500 seals.

You know, I've been finding the old level 60 sets (both the carbon and individual class sets) are great for FD3. Since the retainers are flooding the market, these are rather cheap. You can buy some for like 4k ~ 30k. It's not as cheap as the Talan route, but it's faster and great for leveling your desynth. I dunno if someone has already mentioned this already. *^^* Sorry if I'm repeating someone's earlier advice.

And here I was, wasting so much gil to get them through desynth...

Thanks for saying he trades them, I probably never would've found out if you didn't.

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Originally Posted by Ing-Dono

And here I was, wasting so much gil to get them through desynth...

Thanks for saying he trades them, I probably never would've found out if you didn't.

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From my understanding the items he trades them for requires 2 Fieldcraft Demimateria III to get one so not really an option. I imagined it was to recuperate the cost back in ARR in case you did not get the HQ version.

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Originally Posted by AlexJMercer

From my understanding the items he trades them for requires 2 Fieldcraft Demimateria III to get one so not really an option. I imagined it was to recuperate the cost back in ARR in case you did not get the HQ version.

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That is correct.

i just desynthed 100 Bridesmaid's sandals which resulted in 29 master III's, i think the rate is around 25% but i just sell the excess i don't need atm for a nice profit

there are several good items for Artisan's spectacles imo like Spirits of Salt, Silver Brocade, Rosegold Cog and Darksteel Hook. With the buff to gathering that is Bountiful Harvest II you'll get at least 24 items from a timed node and most of them have a higher natural yield anyway. Like we can craft 15 spirits of salt an hour on the timed node because we can gather 30/42 Volcanic rock salt an hour and this is the roughly the same for all items

Or get the Carbuncle Lantern http://en.ff14housing.com/itemview.php?id=07a8802de06 from your GC, its rather cheap as you dont need gil, just FC currancy.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Or get the Carbuncle Lantern http://en.ff14housing.com/itemview.php?id=07a8802de06 from your GC, its rather cheap as you dont need gil, just FC currancy.

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Someone else that does this \o/

People never liked me doing it so much because it wasn't really a good use for Company Seals, or because you cannot grind them fast enough as a solo FC supposedly.

To anyone that has the means to do this, I really really do recommend it. In bulk the rate is stupidly good, and you can get up to 3 FC3s.

I get my FC3 via two methods. The first is buying and breaking down bridesmaid sandals in Ul'dah specifically because they also return spruce lumber. The return rate on FC3s is about 20% from my experience.

The second method is crafting butt loads of spicy tomato relish, which does stack, and trade them in for artisans spectacles from Talan in Mor Dhona and then desynth them. The ingredients for the relish are easily obtained with just one nabbed via unspoiled node. However Dzamael tomato's are also usually dirt cheap on MB being a common return from BTN retainer ventures. The drawback is the return rate on FC3s is much lower on these than the Mastercraft Demimaterias. However just toss those up on the MB and buy the FC3s at a mitigated loss, or perhaps even a profit depending on prices on your server.

I advise against purchasing artisan tools to desynth because they are unique, forcing you to trade with Talan for each attempt. If you've ever done this, you know how quickly it becomes tedious.

One more option: buy and desynth wall lanterns from housing districts. These don't return FC3s, but they do return FC2s, cobalt ingots, and frosted glass lenses. Sell those and buy up the FC3s.

You'll obviously be forced to desynth if there is a low supply of FC3 on your server.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I advise against purchasing artisan tools to desynth because they are unique, forcing you to trade with Talan for each attempt. If you've ever done this, you know how quickly it becomes tedious.

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Don't know if they used to be Unique but they certainly aren't anymore.

You really can't avoid desynth if you want the items.

Yeah, they are no longer unique. You can get as many as your inventory can hold.