Houses and alts

So I made my first alt character last night because I wanted to play the MSQ again on a new character to teach myself how to play on ps4 ( I just got my ps4 license on sale yay). I also wanted to try a different race for a while. I had no idea how much SE hated alts. I can't mail myself things, nor can I make myself a house tenant in my own house.

I'm starting to understand why people have multiple houses on one server. I was seriously thinking last night that I need a second house now, but then I would become something I hate!

Is there any word on SE changing this policy? I feel like if they were to open up having alts as house tenants that would help the housing shortage a fair bit.

Thoughts?

It takes a lot of work to level an alt to get a house, or at least it DID once upon a time. You can boost an alt but you still need to do the GC rankups.

I wouldn't want my alts in my main's house either idk. Would be nice to mail stuff, but if they change it to 1 house per account I'll just buy a third account.

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Originally Posted by Nerfworthy

Is there any word on SE changing this policy? I feel like if they were to open up having alts as house tenants that would help the housing shortage a fair bit.

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We know that SE is doing something to housing sometime in the nearish future, but they've said flat-out that they won't tell us what. (Personally, I have doubts that they even know what they are going to do with this mess right now.)

One of the several things I am hoping for is alts on the same server being automatically made tenants as soon as they meet the requirements for housing. And that they don't count toward the tenant limit per house, either. But we have no way to know for sure what it is SE is up to.

It would be nice if alts could share a house on the same account without adding them as tenents... we only get 3 tenets... it would suck to have alts take up those slots

They use the default rmt excuse...

I don't remember the exact thing they said but they kept blaming rmt at ARR launch as to why it was important to keep alts completely separated. Even though rmt just form fc and get around that separation easily.

But the housing thing...idk how they can blame that on rmt and its annoying as all get out to not be able to share my house with my alt. But they also obviously rushed housing to satisfy a very vocal minority who wanted housing "RIGHT NOW!!! /RAGE" which was a huge mistake and is causing the fiasco we have now imo.

I'm with Okamimaru on this. I'd love access on my alts without having to use up a precious tenant slot. Unless they allow us more tenants of course! I don't really get why we're limited to 3 anyway. It's not even as if tenants reset the timer so who cares how many you have? Or allow us to make our house "Friends Only" for entry permissions. Still....would be nice if all the people who frequently visit me could be chucked onto the tenant list so they could teleport to my house quicker. Especially because I'm in a subdivision which is a real pain to get to...

But yeah, SE doesn't really like alts. They allowed us to level everything on one character for a reason, I suppose. Plus if you have alts and it's too easy to use them and interact with your main through them, I'm sure they'd sell less retainers and SE of course wouldn't want that. :p

Alternatively though, if you need a house on your alt.... I'd suggest just getting an apartment for the basic needs. Or asking a friend if they have any free tenant slots and are willing to share with your alt.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

It takes a lot of work to level an alt to get a house, or at least it DID once upon a time. You can boost an alt but you still need to do the GC rankups.

I wouldn't want my alts in my main's house either idk. Would be nice to mail stuff, but if they change it to 1 house per account I'll just buy a third account.

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Actually very easy to level an alt nowdays, it really comes down to the very long MSQ. Leveling is very easy. Especially if you roll on a prefered server (100% exp increase up to 60)

Yeah you need to be lvl 61 and have finished getting to Kugane to get even an apartment in Shirogane. That gate of MSQ between expacs is a real pain, unless you have money to drop.

But if you like the old areas you can just get to 50, do the GC stuff and get your gil ready.

i've only really found one rather expensive method (in real money terms) of getting my alt on my firends list and there for make her a tenant of my main's house and a allowing me to send mog mail between my charciters. I have 2 subs on my account with my main assigned to one and my alt to the other sub

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

i've only really found one rather expensive method (in real money terms) of getting my alt on my firends list and there for make her a tenant of my main's house and a allowing me to send mog mail between my charciters. I have 2 subs on my account with my main assigned to one and my alt to the other sub

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I just invited my alt to my own FC but i realise not everyone have this luxuary

I would definitely like to be able to share my house with my alts. Anything that would ease the demand for housing should be considered at this point.

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

It would be nice if alts could share a house on the same account without adding them as tenents... we only get 3 tenets... it would suck to have alts take up those slots

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I agree, this is actually a better solution than my initial suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

Alternatively though, if you need a house on your alt.... I'd suggest just getting an apartment for the basic needs. Or asking a friend if they have any free tenant slots and are willing to share with your alt.

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This is kinda more or less what I decided to do for now, I bought a house last night for my husband's main (he's been homeless and sharing mine) and he made my alt a tenant in his house so I can at least have the teleport and help him decorate/tend the garden etc. It's not a perfect solution but it'll do.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

They use the default rmt excuse...

I don't remember the exact thing they said but they kept blaming rmt at ARR launch as to why it was important to keep alts completely separated. Even though rmt just form fc and get around that separation easily.

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Originally (from Alpha), the game was designed around the concept of a single character per account, they were trying to get away from so many alts, like in FF11. That's why we can change classes and appearance easily but can't share with other characters on the same account. They changed and allowed alts, but never fixed the sharing between characters and I'm not sure if they can since it goes back to the original design.

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Originally Posted by Bloodkraft

They changed and allowed alts, but never fixed the sharing between characters and I'm not sure if they can since it goes back to the original design.

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I think it's by design (for unknown SE reasons).

When 2.0 launched there was a short while where you could friend yourself and then in turn send yourself mail/items. To do this someone simply disconnected while inside an instance and then after it timed out, logged in as another character. They could then send the original person in the instance a friend request. Swap back, exit the instance and accept it. So the system definitely has the ability to do this.

However, shortly after this became public knowledge, SE patched it and removed that ability to send a friend request to yourself. I have no idea if they removed alts from friends lists of people who already did that as I didn't do it myself (didn't have an alt at the time).

As someone with a personal house, I REALLY wish my alt could be a tenant in it. I don't plan on getting a second house for them but like...it makes me a bit sad that I can't.

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Originally Posted by Bloodkraft

Originally (from Alpha), the game was designed around the concept of a single character per account, they were trying to get away from so many alts, like in FF11. That's why we can change classes and appearance easily but can't share with other characters on the same account. They changed and allowed alts, but never fixed the sharing between characters and I'm not sure if they can since it goes back to the original design.

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Yoshida specifically said it was to prevent RMT from transferring gil and items around too easily. Also why we have no shared storage. Easily changing classes is another a carry over from ffxi and many other ff games in general.

They have also never not allowed alts. I had 5 characters on 1 account in v1, 3 of them maxed out and they all carried over, it was also stated during v1 that we would be allowed 8 free character slots per server as legacy players. So the "they started only allowing 1 character" is simply not true. At least not after Yoshida took over, idk about Tanaka, I didn't start til beta v1.

They were trying to get around people using alts for storage is all. They just wanted to make more money by selling extra storage space and used rmt as a way to artificially cap our inventories. I mean it is good business when you look at it from a revenue pov. In ffxi you paid $1 per slot iirc and effectively raise your storage by 100%. Now for $2 you barely scratch the surface of inventory space if you include the personal armory chest and the 2 retainers that would come with that alt. Simply rolling 1 extra character would remove the need for extra retainers completely. Hence why there is no transferring between chars "because rmt". It's simple business. They needed to recoup their losses of version 1 and it was a brilliant way to do it.

When you played v1, like I did, and followed the news closely, every restriction they placed on characters almost always seemed to go back to rmt in one way or another. They truly have tapped that rmt scapegoat for all its worth.

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They could easily have changed the concept of sharing between chars when they recreated the game. They chose to keep it in because it was too lucrative to remove it and used rmt as an excuse to artificially cap our inventories.

They should just let people with many characters share houses and then give them time to choose which house they keep and empty the ones that are going to reclamate for others to use :-D houses for all!

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Originally Posted by Leloa

They should just let people with many characters share houses and then give them time to choose which house they keep and empty the ones that are going to reclamate for others to use :-D houses for all!

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Then they need to change the restrictions on garden patches. The reason I have multible houses (FC + Personal house) is so I can be more efficient with my gardening. 3 patches is not enough for me. First world problem i know but it also a reason some people have multible + the enjoyment of decorating.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Yoshida specifically said it was to prevent RMT from transferring gil and items around too easily.

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Could that not be fixed by banning the whole RMT account...? And also, all the RMTs sharing a guild makes it easy anyway. It's a silly excuse.

That being said, if they allowed alts to be tenants (WITHOUT a tenant space), it would probably solve a few problems. And it would be great. And I don't think that alt should have the ability to buy a house just to be a tenant like someone suggested, since they wouldn't need that ability for any other tenancy.

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Originally Posted by Spirlia

Could that not be fixed by banning the whole RMT account...?

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It could, but like I said its a great excuse to use to artificially cap our inventories and force us to purchase more retainers for extra storage. It's great from a business standpoint but incredibly frustrating from a player one, especially for those who cannot afford the extra cost of retainers on top of their subscription.

There are a lot of things that were done with rmt as an excuse. They used it a lot for to justify design decisions during the transition from 1.0 to 2.0. I think some of it they just couldn't do on the time crunch they had. They did have to work super hard and long hours so I can see why they would let some things fall to the wayside. It just feels a little dishonest sometimes and coupling that with everything they said they were going to add and never mentioned again, I have a hard time believing anything I hear until its actually implemented in the game.

I just really wish they were more forthcoming. I think they don't give us the benefit of the doubt many times as a whole and only really hear the very vocal minority which would get upset and complain...loudly. But if they just said, we cant do this or that because we tried and it wouldn't work or it was too full of bugs or something and just be more transparent overall, like other companies do quite successfully, that would instill more trust from and loyalty the silent majority of the playerbase.

Their silence on this housing issue when it comes to alts is one of the big things right now. Is it a technical issue or is there another reason? Because rmt do not make sense and its one of those things that make zero sense and is constantly questioned. We need more transparency.

Housing alts as tenents really can't be used for rmt unlike allowing alts to join fcs... tenents don't share retainer storage or mailboxes... they can't use fc chests unless they are part of the same fc... there is literally nothing a tenent can do to effect the wealth of the homeowner....

I want to share my house with my alts.

This should be a thing.

That's all I want to say. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Then they need to change the restrictions on garden patches. The reason I have multible houses (FC + Personal house) is so I can be more efficient with my gardening. 3 patches is not enough for me. First world problem i know but it also a reason some people have multible + the enjoyment of decorating.

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That's one selfish excuse when there are people with no houses at all.

Then they should start thinking about adding instanced green houses :P

Looks like a "pay2Win for SE. We have to purchase more retainers, make extra accts, be sure to stay subbed and or log in or lose your hard earned house (like they said they would not do) etc, and they rake in the benefits while we suffer.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

That's one selfish excuse when there are people with no houses at all.

Then they should start thinking about adding instanced green houses :P

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Do you do gardening at all?? for your self or a fc?? my fc was running 20 gardens at one time trying to stock onions n carrots and vegi seeds for minions and stuffed vegis. you need a ton..And anyone who is homeless thats on them fight harder lol ive bought and gave away 2 houses last 3 days that have opened up houses are opening camp athers till you find one...

The only people selfish are the ones saying i dont have a house your greedy for having more then one..Sorry not sorry i followed SE rules worked my butt off and got my houses..Throw your hate at Se for not supplying enough stop listening to there excusses and demand they supply enough 72,000 houses for 360,000 characters (NA numbers) isnt even trying to meet demand. Stop hating and blaming multi home owners for ppl not having a house, if you put in the time u to can get them

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Do you do gardening at all?? for your self or a fc?? my fc was running 20 gardens at one time trying to stock onions n carrots and vegi seeds for minions and stuffed vegis. you need a ton..And anyone who is homeless thats on them fight harder lol ive bought and gave away 2 houses last 3 days that have opened up houses are opening camp athers till you find one...

The only people selfish are the ones saying i dont have a house your greedy for having more then one..Sorry not sorry i followed SE rules worked my butt off and got my houses..Throw your hate at Se for not supplying enough stop listening to there excusses and demand they supply enough 72,000 houses for 360,000 characters (NA numbers) isnt even trying to meet demand. Stop hating and blaming multi home owners for ppl not having a house, if you put in the time u to can get them

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Amen Siniztor.

If you camp the wards, when reclamation is active, there are houses opening up all the time. You just need to camp whichever ward you want. When I was camping a house on my main account (which I now share) I had to camp for 8 months to get a mansion since I refuse to pay a flipper. But I watched houses open constantly, small houses daily, med at least a couple a week.

Its insane how many houses come open, which also speaks to how many people have abandoned the game.

But it takes minutes for them to be claimed since the flippers camp the wards too. I have a list of names of people and FCs who buy multiple houses a week only to put them on in pf or on the reddit houses for sale page minutes later. But they are there if you want a small-med. Just don't bother with a mansion. Like I said, took me 8 months to find one and when I did it was in the middle of the night when I just happened to be playing late.

So you cant really blame owners of multiple houses, they come open so frequently that if you really want a small-med, it would take you a week tops, to get one if you really try.

Well on Balmung it might take a little more than a week, since we're so high pop. But it can be done here as well.